If we evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: schuyler

While we are certainly affecting evolution, it is by no means dead. A good example is medicine, which has allowed people to live who would otherwise have died. This means their genetic traits are more likely to be passed on. Most people would intuit that this is a bad thing because traits that would have killed us are allowed to remain, but there is no reason to believe such a fact is all negative

That isn't an improvement.

IT only means passing on 'bad' genetic traits.

Pre technology the pool would have become stronger.

Sorry if I was not clear. The point here is that there might be good traits paired with the bad, so that if these bad traits are eliminated, as would happen with natural selection without intervention, then we would lose the paired good trait. We don't know one way or another. An example might be Stephen Hawking. Normally he would have died early. Medical technology has kept him alive, and he has been a seminal contributor to our understanding of physics, including many people building on his work. In pre-technology days, all that would have been lost.

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Well it sure as hell hasn't been.

Because without modern medicine, and modern technology within a year.

Over half the worlds population wouldn't exist.

So? Humans are moving onto a new environment and thus adapting to that environment. Part of adaptation is losing or weakening of adaptions acquired in previous environments because they aren't as necessary. At the same time though we gain new adaptations for our new environments.

a reply to: gortex

Actually that is wrong.

The ALLEGED fact is the bones/skull of "Lucy" found in Africa which many desperately attempted to tie mankind with apes but was found to be a fraud.

There is NO proof in the fossil record that mankind came from apes OR have the SAME amount of chromozones as any other animal on this planet.

I did not come from a monkey.....and neither did my ancestory.

originally posted by: georgeglass

You believe what "they" tell you but still you visit a conspiracy website......makes sense. *rolling my eyes*.

So, if you suspect something like (for example) 9/11 being an inside job you also have to reject the theory of evolution? *also rolling eyes.*

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Do you HONESTLY believe that if I were to stop cutting my hair, that I would grow enough hair to cover my whole body?

No, It would depend. My illustraion was to sort of make a easy point of how we depict Our selves. We think we have evolved just because we dress up and try to fallow a soscial standard.

If you cant grow hair on Your body to cope With the geografic location Your live in. You would die if we loose vital parts of Our techonlogy like the electrical grid, fosil fule and other vital Resources like proper clothing.

If we loose Our electrical grid. Millions would die because millions of People are not suited to be alive without it.

Evolution is not about the strongest all the time. And Our techonlogy should prove that to all of you. Billions of peopel would die if we lose vital parts of what Our sosciety have built.

We should not mistaken human evolution for technological evolution. That is a big mistake.

a reply to: DeathSlayer

The only things that have come from monkeys are other monkeys



This vid is all about our chromosomes and common ancestry, it's pretty freakin' cool!

Watch until the end, I think you'll appreciate the last comment, it's about him believing in god still.

originally posted by: DeathSlayer
a reply to: gortex

Actually that is wrong.

The ALLEGED fact is the bones/skull of "Lucy" found in Africa which many desperately attempted to tie mankind with apes but was found to be a fraud.

Care to post actual proof of this claim?

There is NO proof in the fossil record that mankind came from apes OR have the SAME amount of chromozones as any other animal on this planet.

I did not come from a monkey.....and neither did my ancestory.

Lol.

originally posted by: DeathSlayer
a reply to: gortex

Actually that is wrong.

The ALLEGED fact is the bones/skull of "Lucy" found in Africa which many desperately attempted to tie mankind with apes but was found to be a fraud.

There is NO proof in the fossil record that mankind came from apes OR have the SAME amount of chromozones as any other animal on this planet.

I did not come from a monkey.....and neither did my ancestory.

Neither Lucy nor the myriad of other findings are fraudulent. The interesting thing is, not only is there proof in the fossil record, but DNA studies, a completely different branch of science, completely corroborates the findings of paleontology. As the fossil record has grown over the years, each piece has fit neatly into the original basic idea. It is much more complex than we originally thought, but the overall idea is much, much stronger than originally.

Once again, no one said "mankind came FROM apes." Mankind evolved ALONG WITH APES from a common ancestor, from which both groups have diverged. We keep saying this over and over and over again and people persist in saying, "But how come...monkeys?" If you can't answer the question by now, you flunk.

So, I hate to break it to you, but your "ancestory" and your "chromozones" did, indeed, come from a common ancestor which, as far as we can tell, looked very much like a shrew. God didn't do it.

originally posted by: spy66
a reply to: Krazysh0t
No, It would depend. My illustraion was to sort of make a easy point of how we depict Our selves. We think we have evolved just because we dress up and try to fallow a soscial standard.

No we think we evolved because we can see the evidence for it in our genetics. The human evolution tree is one of the most well mapped out evolutionary trees among all the animals on the planet.

If you cant grow hair on Your body to cope With the geografic location Your live in. You would die if we loose vital parts of Our techonlogy like the electrical grid, fosil fule and other vital Resources like proper clothing.

If we loose Our electrical grid. Millions would die because millions of People are not suited to be alive without it.

It's funny how this is an example of how evolution has evolved humans to not be able to live without society but you are trying to use this as a way to discredit it. You don't look like you know what you are talking about. Maybe go read up on what evolution actually says and does then come back to me.

Evolution is not about the strongest all the time. And Our techonlogy should prove that to all of you. Billions of peopel would die if we lose vital parts of what Our sosciety have built.

Strawman. This was never a claim that Evolution made. Fittest != best.

We should not mistaken human evolution for technological evolution. That is a big mistake.

And you should read up on topics before you start talking about them.

a reply to: secretboss

We just did not evolve from monkeys. We are a kind of creature that in my opinion never could have evolved without extra terrestrial help. We are engineered creatures.
Our body hair, our two legs, our consciousness, the small pelvic of women, the negative rhesus ... the many stories that tell us about our creators, even the fact there is no picture of the moon older than say more or less 5000 years ... it should wake up humanity but for some reason or another it does'nt ...

www.evawaseerst.be...

a reply to: Krazysh0t

No we think we evolved because we can see the evidence for it in our genetics. The human evolution tree is one of the most well mapped out evolutionary trees among all the animals on the planet.

What Our evolution tree is shoving today is that we have People alive that shouldt be. It is our evolution in Technology that have made Our evolution point in the direction it is at today. It is not man that have evolved it is Our Technology, Our evolution is based on Our Technology.


Our tree of evolution is not Natural it is based on human progress in Technology nothing else. If we loose a vital part of Our Technology we will see devastating results in Our population. It doesnt even have to be anything other than a Natural event and it could be devastating for millions of peopel.


Our world population is not based on human evolution. It is based on human technological evolution. It is probably hard for you to see this. But i bet most People will grasp it.

originally posted by: spy66
a reply to: Krazysh0t
What Our evolution tree is shoving today is that we have People alive that shouldt be. It is our evolution in Technology that have made Our evolution point in the direction it is at today. It is not man that have evolved it is Our Technology, Our evolution is based on Our Technology.

What are you talking about? You have clearly failed to grasp the point of evolution here. Stop talking about technology. For the most part humans are at the same evolutionary point they were at 6000 years ago, because evolution doesn't happen within 6000 years. It takes much longer. You are thinking on time scales that are too short right now.

Our tree of evolution is not Natural it is based on human progress in Technology nothing else. If we loose a vital part of Our Technology we will see devastating results in Our population. It doesnt even have to be anything other than a Natural event and it could be devastating for millions of peopel.

Either stop talking or prove this. Otherwise you are just making a bunch of nonsense up.

Our world population is not based on human evolution. It is based on human technological evolution. It is probably hard for you to see this. But i bet most People will grasp it.

Fun Fact: Technology can influence natural evolution too. It's clearly too hard for you to actually go look up what evolution says and does and you choose to continue embracing ignorance.

a reply to: DeathSlayer

I did not come from a monkey.....and neither did my ancestory.

"Sigh"

You and secretboss should hook up. No doubt you have a lot to agree on.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

What are you talking about? You have clearly failed to grasp the point of evolution here. Stop talking about technology. For the most part humans are at the same evolutionary point they were at 6000 years ago, because evolution doesn't happen within 6000 years. It takes much longer. You are thinking on time scales that are too short right now.

So, what were we like before 6000 years?

I bet humans were adapted to the soscial inviorment that they lived in at that time.

a reply to: spy66

Timeline of human evolution

Educate yourself for once.

originally posted by: DeathSlayer
a reply to: gortex

Actually that is wrong.

The ALLEGED fact is the bones/skull of "Lucy" found in Africa which many desperately attempted to tie mankind with apes but was found to be a fraud.

Im sure you can provide a citation that supports your assertion then right? Perhaps the name of a journal and the edition in which the paper that makes this claim appears in? It's not that I don't trust you and can't take your word as gospel truth, I'm just a fan of concepts like due diligence and as a result like to read the paper for myself.

There is NO proof in the fossil record that mankind came from apes OR have the SAME amount of chromozones as any other animal on this planet.

there is a wealth of data from both the fossil record and advanced in genetic testing thanks to the Human Genome Project funded by the US DOE and NIH( as well as Celera Genetics) and the Neanderthal Genome Project at the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Biology that is irrefutable and definitively ties the lineage of our entire genus with that of the other Great Apes. You can make whatever claims regarding the fossil record that float your boat but the evidence proving our common ancestry is not derived from a singular source. As for the chromosome count, there is clear evidence of chromosomal fusion in human chromosome 2. evidence for chromosomal fusion

I did not come from a monkey.....and neither did my ancestory.

And yet another member of the brain trust demonstrates that once again, there is no shortage of willful ignorance when people attempt to negate science that they don't understand well enough to get basic facts correct. FYI... nobody, with the exception of people who are so afraid that they refuse to understand what MES actually states, makes claims about humans evolving from monkeys. So despite demonstrating a glaring lack of understanding, you are actually correct in that you have no direct lineage tied to monkeys.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: spy66

Timeline of human evolution

Educate yourself for once.

What that link practically tells you is that you should not take it seriously.

a reply to: spy66

Oh it does? So clearly you are still embracing ignorance. I'm done with this. I don't feel like going in circles and constantly correcting the same inaccuracies you keep repeating over and over. You clearly want to keep your mind closed and can't fathom to actually acknowledge that you don't know as much as you think you do.

This isn't even a debate about evolution being true or not. You aren't on the same level with all the facts as everyone else. I'm just arguing against strawmans here.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Greggers

First of all, you're still using the word "theory" as if it means "unsupported," or somehow "less than true." It doesn't.

talk about cognitive dissonance...

I didn't use the word theory, the video did. If something is theoretical it has no basis in fact. The 'theory' parts are gaps, not excuses.

LOL, but go ahead and mind meld yourself. You're still chained to your comfortable spot in Platos cave...

The word "Theory" in science does not mean what you're saying it means. All scientific theories are grounded in fact. They are, in fact, a framework which supports and explains direct empirical facts.

This is basic vocabulary stuff.

Here is the textbook definition: A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that is acquired through the scientific method and repeatedly tested and confirmed through observation and experimentation

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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: spy66

Oh it does? So clearly you are still embracing ignorance. I'm done with this. I don't feel like going in circles and constantly correcting the same inaccuracies you keep repeating over and over. You clearly want to keep your mind closed and can't fathom to actually acknowledge that you don't know as much as you think you do.

This isn't even a debate about evolution being true or not. You aren't on the same level with all the facts as everyone else. I'm just arguing against strawmans here.

There is no doubt that haman evolution is based on human society evolving. I dont understand how you cant see it? it is Our bloody history for god sake....

Unless you agree that there is a conflic between our history and what ever evolution you wan to state.