Switzerland denies Muslim girls citizenship after they refuse to swim with boys

a reply to: tommo39

Interesting, what do they do to Swiss Muslim citizens in the same situation?

Does this means that there is no religious freedom in Switzerland?

I always find Muslims weird and contradicting, I have many Muslim friends, one of them was best man at my wedding (I call him my caramel brother from a Muslim mother lol). His girls aren't allowed to go swimming unless its a women only session which they don't do at our local pool, my daughters always asking their dad but he always says no because of the girls dignity. The whole dignity thing changes when we are walking down the street and we spot a good looking women to which his reaction is normally something along the lines of..."bloody hell mate, u see the arse/tits on that girl over there" He is British born so that's kind of normal lol but he still holds on to the beliefs of his parents and his faith when it suits him

a reply to: slider1982

lets not kid oureselves and be hounest, most if not all of these places allready have camera's set up.
nothing happens than the recordings get reused for new recording.

PS we all stare at our front camera in smartphone etc etc etc ,so .......

perhaps people should read this to get a better picture.
www.independent.co.uk...

originally posted by: TigStar82
I always find Muslims weird and contradicting, I have many Muslim friends, one of them was best man at my wedding (I call him my caramel brother from a Muslim mother lol). His girls aren't allowed to go swimming unless its a women only session which they don't do at our local pool, my daughters always asking their dad but he always says no because of the girls dignity. The whole dignity thing changes when we are walking down the street and we spot a good looking women to which his reaction is normally something along the lines of..."bloody hell mate, u see the arse/tits on that girl over there" He is British born so that's kind of normal lol but he still holds on to the beliefs of his parents and his faith when it suits him

Its all about power, muslim men have massive inferiority complex so they need to down women to feel like men. I remember I was teaching a young muslim man( about 22-25 years old ) He spent the first 15mins saying how European women did not understand that they are just dogs and should do everything a man says. So I asked him if he needs to marry a virgin, he said yes, I asked if he knew why , he could not answer, so I told him. If he married a non virgin she would know the normail size of a dick, so she would know how small his was. Never seen a young man about to have a heart attack before.

a reply to: imod02

actual LOL in the train here!!!
bhahahaha.

its sad for them but without confronting them with their ignorant views nothing will change !

originally posted by: tommo39

Switzerland has rejected citizenship requests from two Muslim girls for refusing to take part in swimming lessons with boys at school. The 12- and 14-year-old will no longer be considered for naturalized citizenship because they have not complied with the school curriculum, authorities in Basel said. The girls are understood to have refused to take part in school swimming lessons because boys were present and their religion forbade that form of interaction. Their applications for Swiss passports have now been overturned.

Stefan Wehrle, president of the country's naturalization committee, said that "whoever doesn't fulfill these conditions, violates the law and therefore cannot be naturalized." Serves the girls and their parents right, who do they think they are to "buck the system" of a sovereign nation. Muslims think they are above the law, just because they follow a silly book written around 700 years ago. If you want a better life, abide by the country's laws, disobey at your own peril like these girls have done and suffer the consequences.......www.independent.co.uk... -europe-a7111601.html

Wonderful, you cant' bend the system because of religion, go back to where it makes sense to do what you want to do, otherwise don't complain. So happy this happened, and hopefully it will be an example for other countries to follow

originally posted by: Abysha

They are a product of their fundamentalist and religious parents. Can't blame them for this.

All parents of children have a duty to bring up their children to assimilate

into the *world that they are living in.*


If they are fundamentalist and religious to the degree that they cannot live

by the rules of the country the are living in, they should move to a country

that accommodates their way of life, so as to be fair to their children?


Most countries accommodate all religions, however no religion has the right

to impose their particular views and practices on to another country and its

people.


I would think that should be obvious to everyone after all no one

walks into a neighbors house and starts off rearranging the furniture,

emptying the fridge and taking charge.........

originally posted by: imod02

Its all about power, muslim men have massive inferiority complex so they need to down women to feel like men. I remember I was teaching a young muslim man( about 22-25 years old ) He spent the first 15mins saying how European women did not understand that they are just dogs and should do everything a man says. So I asked him if he needs to marry a virgin, he said yes, I asked if he knew why , he could not answer, so I told him. If he married a non virgin she would know the normail size of a dick, so she would know how small his was. Never seen a young man about to have a heart attack before.

"If women are just dogs".... what does that make the men

originally posted by: imod02

originally posted by: TigStar82
I always find Muslims weird and contradicting, I have many Muslim friends, one of them was best man at my wedding (I call him my caramel brother from a Muslim mother lol). His girls aren't allowed to go swimming unless its a women only session which they don't do at our local pool, my daughters always asking their dad but he always says no because of the girls dignity. The whole dignity thing changes when we are walking down the street and we spot a good looking women to which his reaction is normally something along the lines of..."bloody hell mate, u see the arse/tits on that girl over there" He is British born so that's kind of normal lol but he still holds on to the beliefs of his parents and his faith when it suits him

Its all about power, muslim men have massive inferiority complex so they need to down women to feel like men. I remember I was teaching a young muslim man( about 22-25 years old ) He spent the first 15mins saying how European women did not understand that they are just dogs and should do everything a man says. So I asked him if he needs to marry a virgin, he said yes, I asked if he knew why , he could not answer, so I told him. If he married a non virgin she would know the normail size of a dick, so she would know how small his was. Never seen a young man about to have a heart attack before.

HAHAHAHA cant wait to tell him we figured him out cheers
That's probably why they have their parents arrange their marriages and don't sleep with the bride until the paperwork's official lol, no backing out now
I have to admit tho, his parents done good with his bride she's stunning, he's punching well above his weight and yes I have seen her without her hijab

a reply to: darkbake

Christians that say this sort of thing about Muslims

FYI i'm not a christian, BUT Switzerland is a christian country, so you agree with a christian decision.......

originally posted by: Abysha
a reply to: tommo39

I'm a bit torn on this. On one hand, it brings me hope seeing a nation accept refugees with open arms while expecting them to "live as the Romans do" but, on the other hand, I'm bummed to see this applied to children.

They are a product of their fundamentalist and religious parents. Can't blame them for this.

That may be the case, in the meantime what is the solution ?

Should the business owners profits suffer to accommodate religious sensibilities,maybe a country change its laws, or perhaps build another pool for people who just cannot integrate into a countries culture ? This is getting beyond any form of rationality !!seriously GTFO with throwing in the "o but the children" card.......

You are right you cannot blame the children you can educate them, that is the only solution, if they choose not to learn perhaps they would be happier moving somewhere their ideals are shared by others.....

a reply to: Abysha

They are a product of their fundamentalist and religious parents

I agree, but like father like son,like mother like daughter, if the cap fit's wear it. They are all indoctrinated with the same brush, so be-gone the lot of them....

a reply to: ArMaP

no religious freedom in Switzerland?

Switzerland is a CHRISTIAN country, so the status quo is in order. If you don't like it LEAVE.........

originally posted by: ArMaP
a reply to: tommo39

Interesting, what do they do to Swiss Muslim citizens in the same situation?

Does this means that there is no religious freedom in Switzerland?

Apparently those people follow the laws and are not as backwards and narrow minded. So no.

WELL DONE SWITZERLAND !

Kick them all out !

Pissed off with this # now !

They are just taking the piss , flee a war torn country , and they lay out your demands !
cheeky bastards .

I ain't racist , but ask me again in a year after reading # like this !

a reply to: Sublimecraft

As a catholic christian country most citizens will be happy to see most muslims depart. I have a good friend in Switzerland and he states they are a bloody nuisance to the local people, wanting to change the status quo to their way of thinking. By the way, i could not reply to you post re the obama's wife V the marine guy, they dumped the OP in the trash bin, don't know why, maybe the snr. mod is a democrat and cannot accept the truth....

originally posted by: ArMaP
a reply to: tommo39

Interesting, what do they do to Swiss Muslim citizens in the same situation?

Does this means that there is no religious freedom in Switzerland?

If a woman goes to a country where Muslim dominates, even to visit, she is expected to cover her head and dress modestly, or risk arrest (or worse). This is regardless of her religion. Actually, if she is Christian, she could face persecution just for not being Muslim.

There is a difference.

If people want to immigrate to a new country, sure they should be able to practice their religion. The US allows this. But there is a difference when your religion is so radically different that it affects every day life to the point that you are violating the laws of your new country.

Consider "religions" found in the US which become cults which victimize people and children. We don't allow this in our country, because regardless of religious beliefs, abuse of children is against the law.

The oppression of women in the Muslim religion is the same thing. Are we going to allow them to raise their children, in our country, thinking that all women are worthless? Do you want your daughters going to school with boys who are raised like this? Do you want to watch young girls going through life like this?

If my wife has to cover her head when in a muslim country, then I see no reason to treat them differently when they are in our own countries. No double standards.

originally posted by: BlueAjah
... she is expected to cover her head and dress modestly, or risk arrest (or worse).

I have always found the term "dress modestly" to be an affront. The rules are set by men. All countries where Muslims are predominant have poor women and girls rights. The dictation around what women and girls wear, do and act is an expression of male control.

These male control mechanisms have no place in civilised, developed societies.

To the OP. I just feel sorry for the kids. Brought up in households and communities with such intolerance and a disconnect from the modern world.

EDIT to add that we know with this control of these two girls (don't swim with boys) that they will never be allowed to work, never be allowed to have an open education, never marry for love, never be allowed to choose, never travel independently, never go out, etc... They will be controlled until they die. They will have children when they are told to and they will watch the perpetuation of their children's indoctrination, probably without understanding how wrong it is.