Media in full spin mode: "British regret voting BREXIT".

originally posted by: skywatcher44
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There will be no re referendum and no undoing of resignations, the die has been set.. Sour grapes will hopefully be set aside and we will move onward strongly.. At the moment most of the establishment, Press and media are suffering from delayed bitterness and they must " GTFO it "

Even when you sign a contract, you have a grace period to reverse the deal.

You buy a house, and regret it, you can reverse the decision the next day.

You buy a product from the store, and decide it was a mistake, you have a certain number of days to take it back.

The principle that you have to keep whatever decision you make today absolute, has been long tossed out by society, which recognizes that we all make mistakes, and provided it's only a short time after the decision that we realize this, the right thing to do is allow and enable the reversal of that mistaken decision.

Immediately after Brexit, 2 million people signed the petition for 2nd referendum. It's got to be considered. By all the principles on which society is based, there must be another referendum.

Never in the history of mankind, anywhere on earth, have so many people petitioned for a reversal of some decision.

It is Historic.

To ignore it, would be to bring into question, all the other "reversals" we allow in society.

Maybe, you shouldn't have the ability to take back that product within 10 days to the store, after all.

Maybe, you shouldn't have the ability to walk out of the cinema within the first 15 minutes, and ask back for your movie fee.

Maybe, every-time we make a decision in society, the instant we make it, it becomes inviolate, and absolute.

But, you don't yet live in that kind of society.

a reply to: AMPTAH

We all knew the rules when we voted, it is not ok to put in terms of a referendum after the result. Or rewrite the rules we all knew them If some didn't vote well tough everyone had a chance postal or on ballot day.
It should stand.

But it should show us how crap our so called leaders are both sides all of them they don't know the will and concerns of the people.

originally posted by: AMPTAH

Maybe, every-time we make a decision in society, the instant we make it, it becomes inviolate, and absolute.

But, you don't yet live in that kind of society.

That's because asking for a refund from a shop is a very different situation from the Exit Referendum.

The rules were set out, clearly and unequivocally, from the outset. One referendum, majority of the vote to decide.

The only thing historic about the petition is that Parliament have actually got off their backsides to investigate, once it became apparent that many (majority, according to some pundits, though I suspect that might only have applied at the early stages) of the signatures are from people outside of the UK.

a reply to: EvillerBob

Let me just say that I don't think you know what you are talking about. I think a minimum wage is very desirable and that quite a few Englishmen, before WW2 would have been quite happy let Hitler have pretty much what he wanted. Of course he went too far and Great Britain had the sort of muscular friends who could pull her fat out of the fire and all's well that ends well if you don't mind losing an empire.

originally posted by: TheKnightofDoom
a reply to: AMPTAH

We all knew the rules when we voted, it is not ok to put in terms of a referendum after the result.

Well, its a democracy. The people decide whether and what should be. They do this by petitioning and voting.

The people have petitioned for a re-vote.

If 100% of the people had voted, you could say let the vote stand.

But, lots of people didn't vote, because they didn't ever consider the "leave" would win.

They made a "mistake". Now they want to vote, to correct their mistake of not voting the first time.

Under the rules of democracy, they have to petition for that re-vote.

They have petitioned.

Should we stop the democracy at this point?

What good arguments could we use, to say that there should not be a 2nd referendum?

Had 100% of voters been heard the first time, we could easily say "You all spoke".

But, the problem is that only 72% of the people spoke.

I guess the question is, how important is it, to have more people in Britain be heard on this exit from the EU.

a reply to: ipsedixit

I think a minimum wage is very desirable and that quite a few Englishmen

So do I , but it wasn't brought in by the EU it was the baby of Tony Blair , it was one of the few good things he did before he turned into a destroyer of countries.

I personally did not know of the petition until after the result.

if they wish to undermine democracy good luck with that.

if they wish to force the majority voters for leave into accepting their version of democracy good luck with that as well.

we will all be affected regardless of the future outcome.

I am prepared for the sheitestorm on it's way are you?
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a reply to: AMPTAH

Done and Dusted are you wanting to un Resign Mr Cameroon and our EU Commisioner and 72% is a higher vote than usual..

The EU needs us as a catalyst to change it. Power to the UK or England, Scotland, Wales and N ireland..

a reply to: AMPTAH

If 100% of the people had voted, you could say let the vote stand.

Not how it works , it's a majority decision of those who voted.

But, lots of people didn't vote, because they didn't ever consider the "leave" would win.

Isn't that their fault then ?

They made a "mistake". Now they want to vote, to correct their mistake of not voting the first time.

And doesn't that just sum up the problems with the world we live in today.

Under the rules of democracy, they have to petition for that re-vote.

Please post those rules , I'd be interested to see them.

Should we stop the democracy at this point?

Isn't that what the petition is attempting to do ?

I guess the question is, how important is it, to have more people in Britain be heard on this exit from the EU.

Those who voted have been heard , if you don't like the answer then I'm sorry but that's democracy.

originally posted by: djz3ro

originally posted by: gladtobehere

The UK has been independent for 2,000 years without a problem. But now that they were part of the EU for 15 years, everything is going to collapse?
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15 years? Well I'm 39 next month and the last EU Referendum vote was 2 years before I was born, 2 years after we joined the EU.

I also don't know anyone who voted to leave, I have 1580 or so people I actually know in my network across Britain.

The European Union was founded on November 1st 1993. This was when British subjects became European citizens.

The referendum you are referring to is the "European Economic Community" membership.

Hearing now that Brexit can only take place if Scotland and Northern Ireland agree to it.

Both these countries voted to remain so i don't see how they can agree to it.

How would you brexiters feel if the exit was blocked by Scotland or NI

I feel that a lot of the regret is due to the hate and snide comments being thrown around by the remain crowd. It is not a pleasant environment to be in here in the South-West, and I'm sure it is similar elsewhere in the UK. The people who knew I was going to vote leave have turned and directed their frustrations directly at me and seem to be missing the fact that another 1.3 million voted in favour of brexit, pushing it over to leave.

The funny thing is that if the vote was to remain in the EU we would have been ridiculed for many weeks about our vote and had the result rubbed in our faces, yet when we "win" we calmly accept it and try to move forward whilst having to deal with being branded racists, bigots, right wing nuts and other petty insults. It's like the left has gone right.

I did my research, I voted what I felt was the best in the long term - no one guided my vote except me and I stand by it.

a reply to: bigyin

Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has told the BBC that Holyroodcould try to block the UK's exit from the EU
www.bbc.co.uk...

Nicola Sturgeon says a lot of things , not all of them based in reality.
I've stopped listening to her , same old same old.

a reply to: gortex

a reply to: AMPTAH If 100% of the people had voted, you could say let the vote stand. Not how it works , it's a majority decision of those who voted. But, lots of people didn't vote, because they didn't ever consider the "leave" would win. Isn't that their fault then ? They made a "mistake". Now they want to vote, to correct their mistake of not voting the first time. And doesn't that just sum up the problems with the world we live in today. Under the rules of democracy, they have to petition for that re-vote. Please post those rules , I'd be interested to see them. Should we stop the democracy at this point? Isn't that what the petition is attempting to do ? I guess the question is, how important is it, to have more people in Britain be heard on this exit from the EU. Those who voted have been heard , if you don't like the answer then I'm sorry but that's www.itv.com...

I can see why Amrticans call it mob rule and the mob have spoken and now dishing out their version of punis justicePolish cultural centre in London daubed with graffiti MP says

originally posted by: TheKnightofDoom
a reply to: AMPTAH

We all knew the rules when we voted, it is not ok to put in terms of a referendum after the result. Or rewrite the rules we all knew them If some didn't vote well tough everyone had a chance postal or on ballot day.
It should stand.

But it should show us how crap our so called leaders are both sides all of them they don't know the will and concerns of the people.

I think calling for another referendum is petty and stupid and it's pretty embarrassing watching it.
But this vote was advisory and not binding and there are so many things going on in the background.
It will be interesting and terrifying and frustrating I'm sure, watching all of this play out.

a reply to: bigyin

I refer the honourable member to the statement I wrote earlier.

to ignore the majority and undermine the democratic process will not end well.

if Scotland and n.ireland want to leave the uk, let them however, to undermine the process of what occurred
on Thursday will come back to the ruin all of seeking to impose a non-democratic will over the majority.

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a reply to: gortex I'm thinking sturgeon as pm for a left wing progressive coalition

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: AMPTAH

Isn't that their fault then ?

Yes, it is their fault.

But, they have the power to correct faults.

Those who voted have been heard , if you don't like the answer then I'm sorry but that's democracy.

Those who voted the first time have been heard. But, democracy doesn't come to an end after any vote.

Democracy is an ongoing concern. People change things all the time, through new democratic actions.

As long as 100,000 people sign a petition. Parliament has to debate it.

You have 2,000,000 signers of this new petition.

Is it right to toss it out, and ignore the democratic rules now?

a reply to: woodwardjnr

It's still to early to say what will happen , the dust needs to settle and people need to get their heads around what has happened , seems to me politicians are just trying to make political capital while they can before the real business of negotiations starts.

We are headed into uncharted waters but that doesn't mean they have to be stormy.

Brexit Referendum is 'non-binding' meaning UK Parliament, not voters, will prevail

Writing in the Financial Times, British lawyer David Allen Green explained Brexit voting is "advisory," not "mandatory." Parliament has final say. MPs can legally disregard the public's will either way, they alone empowered to decide the path Britain chooses.

The press isn't that anxious to mention the above for some reason