Why We Should Not Be Transitioning Children.....

Care to clarify who you are calling an it? If it was me, you can go straight to hell without passing go.

Ok...sorry, mister.

I don't care who or what they are, I've got a mate who is very well informed with regards to various criminal activities, don't mean criminals are good does it?

a reply to: Freija

I just want to point out - I'm not denying anyone their right to see any type of specialist...again, you are very selective on what points you address. This thread is about something else, the OP decides the topic of the thread not you three. And I'll refer to you as either him, he, or it...I ain't calling you her or female because..why should I or anyone else buy into your fantasies? I live in the real world and will not be dictated to by you or anyone else on ATS.

Is there some mental block that is denying you people the ability to read the OP, thread title and stay on topic?

Again - this thread is about TRANSITIONING CHILDREN.

It's quite clear to me what this thread is about - go see whatever specialists you want, take kids to see whatever specialists you want. This thread is specifically about why it's wrong to transition children under a certain age, is it not?

Not one of you have honestly addressed that point, simply attacked people you disagree with.

You already admitted you're a troll, so I'm n ot surprised. We don't care about your experts. You know for people who are tolerant of fringe lifestyles and all that you're very closed minded. You have to read the thread and stay on topic.

I think it's wrong to not only transition young kids who are still growing, in their formitive years, but to teach them about this stuff - at all. It shouldn't be part of their curriculum, it absolutely smacks of conditioning.

Planting seeds, like the supposedly unimportant poster who in this very thread spoke about how their child suddenly, without warning, decided they were trans. Yes, an agenda is being played out, but in your favour so you're quite happy with it for now.

Pathetic.

When I go into a thread subject that I have no knowledge of, but there's a poster there with real life experience.

I listen.

a reply to: Annee

I can agree with that, to an extent...

I mean a junkie will tell you heroin is great, harmless...makes them feel better. you have to be subjective..the people with so-called experience contributing to this thread are severely biased.

Severely...

Freija is personally knowledgeable on this subject.

Biased? I would be if I lived the experience.

What is your knowledge?

Not your opinion. Your knowledge.

a reply to: Annee

I don't think you get the thread, same as your friends.

The very fact that Freija has so much invested in this whole debate makes him completely biased, not impartial.

Like I said, a junkie will tell you there is no harm in what they do. this is a constant. Even a murderer will attempt to jusitfy their position, their actions.

I can go now and find any number of people, with various interests...they will speak in favour of those interests. these range from sexuality to rape and murder. you can't just assume a person to be 100% correct on an issue because they have certain life experience.

You might aswell cite the likes of hitler or pol pot to explain to us all why murder is natural, how they're born that way or whatever...don't make it right.

I value Frieja's input least of all for that very reason, too much invested in it. He's been living as a woman for some years. sorry, but the opinion of a slug holds more value for me in this regard.

I understand the thread perfectly. So does Freija.

It's the article I question.

Gender is in the brain. Born that way.

Gender and sexuality are both fluid. Like on a sliding scale, you can be on either end or anywhere in between.

ALL children need to develop from the inside out in my opinion. They are who they are. And they need the freedom and support to express that.

Some may feel they are on a dividing line, but some are Gender Dysphoric. It's a fact.

Supporting a child, letting them be who they are hurts who?

Children aren't medicated, they're supported.

Even with my ADHD child, her doctor said the only thing that matters is her self esteem. How she feels about herself.

originally posted by: samerulesapply

I value Frieja's input least of all for that very reason, too much invested in it.

Freija is a woman. She has never been a boy.

Gender is in the brain, not the packaging.

Your intended insults and ignorance only reflect back on you.

Opinions without knowledge have little value.

a reply to: Annee

Yeah...we appear to be having a different discussion, here.

My neice is a tomboy, nobody denies her the right to play football with her pals. Nobody cares that she's more interested in meccano than she is in dolls and prams.

Nor is anyone messing with her developing mind, presenting her with crap about how gender is a scale...liquid, whatever the bloody hell you mean. It's not like she was very girly then suddenly decided she was more boisterious than your typical girl...she was always like that. It's not a big deal....but nobody is taking her aside and saying, you know...maybe you're a boy in a girls body - believe me if anyone does I will mutilate them.

Nobody once said that in this thread...you guys have become so accustomed to getting all uppity and defensive you don't even acknowledge the topic of the thread any more, y'all just weigh in with your insults and circular reasoning.

Pushing any kind of sexual agenda on kids is child abuse...you might be happy to advocate this - and may it lie heavy on your conscience...it won't, though.

you're too far gone...

a reply to: Annee

As for in the brain, born that way...being born with something doesn't make it right or desireable...some kids are born with severe brain disorders, so they're born that way and it's right...right?

What about this little girl:



Born that way? that's meaningless..born that way. Some kids are born without limbs, do you support that in any way, shape or form?

Some kids are born severely autistic...some are born with tumors...there are lots of things people are born with, it's perfectly natural...but I don't see anyone trying to promote it.

I was a tomboy, so what.

And now you want to compare people who are mentally impaired in some way that they can't live a normal life.

You're just reaching for every cliché that can be thrown in.

You lose.

Facts speak for themselves. Opinions are just opinions.

a reply to: Annee

No...I refuted your pointless statements...and you know there's no comeback from it.

It's the same crap you've bleated from the start...I was always capable of debunking it as stupid, I just never did until now.

and confronted with that reality, the obvious truth that being born with a condition doesn't make it right...you resort to a nonsense response and claim victory.

Because you had nowhere else to go with it.

You think being born with a condition of any kind makes it desireable? I don't expect an honest answer from you, you've been completely disingenuous from the get go.

You see, the point is this....the little girl in the video I posted may or may not have been born with homicidal tendencies.

You don't know any more about it than I do...all I know is, it's a problem and needs to be addressed.

The little girl in the video is a product of nurture as much as nature...do I think people are born with an inherent belief that they are the opposite sex? Hell no...

Do I believe they are somehow influenced in a way that can cause them to start thinking this? You better believe I do.

If you honestly think this isn't in some way a product of environment, society, influence..I feel pretty sorry for you. I believe a lot of things now I didn't when I was young.

I think things now I never used to...why? It's called learning from experience...apparently only you, Freija and Kaylaluv are privvy to that reality...well get with the program.

"Learning from Experience"

What is your experience with Gender Dysphoria?

a reply to: Annee

My experience is that it's evidently more common than it used to be.

I equate that to influence. I won't ask what yours is, yours is from a friend, you already told me.

But like I pointed out already, you wouldn't seek advice on the rights and wrong of heroin abuse from a junkie because their view of the situation is impaired by self interest.

I like how you're really selective about what points you'll address, what questions you will answer, and expect the rest of us to be an expert on this situation.

Like a judge can't convict a person because the judge hasn't committed the crime in the past, nor does he know anyone who has.

If you place so much faith in the opinion of a friend, and believe they're an authority on the issue because they are affected by it, you're an idiot.

I suppose you'd like to hear abou thte value or rape, necrophilia and murder from mr Ted Bundy? surely, nobody else has a valid opinion, be it based on morals or ethics.

to me, it's more an ethical question...is it right to sexualise kids in any way...transgender or otherwise...and the answer is a resounding no.

I know what side I'm on...and it's the non-perverted side...you want to be frank and up front? Then I will...

Teaching kids this stuff is per-ver-ted.

end of discussion

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: jasminnne

But you are the one that said it was just being different. I was saying that it was not.

I said they are different. Are you saying they are not?

Yep, having a mental disorder tends to make a person different from the norm around them. It is quite unavoidable even in most cases.

a reply to: samerulesapply

It seems to be more common now bc they are in the spotlight and media. Before they hid, miserably and shamefully in the closet.

a reply to: everyone
I just lol at all the self-acclaimed psychologists and doctors who go around diagnosing mental disorders, lol.

originally posted by: veracity
a reply to: samerulesapply

It seems to be more common now bc they are in the spotlight and media. Before they hid, miserably and shamefully in the closet.

I agree that there is probably an element of truth to that.

But it's also more prevalent because it is being touted to the young as some hip and trendy lifestyle choice...I've seen more girls canoodling in public over the last 2 or 3 years than the rest of my life combined.

Something is influencing them...it's undeniable.

a reply to: samerulesapply

I'm just fine with the younger generation thinking it's cool. Better that than hateful shaming. However, I would not be ok with a confused teen trying to transition just to be cool...I don't think that is happening tho.