Society is forced to be accepting of gays & transgenders.

originally posted by: celinem
So I'm aware that I am going to receive A LOT of hate for this thread but i feel that there are others that will agree with me on this subject.

We are basically forced to be 'ok' with the idea of gay marriage, transgender people and anyone who we don't consider 'normal'.

Let me say straight up - I DON'T GIVE A # WHAT YOUR SEXUAL ORIENTATION OR 'GENDER' IS!!!! I don't care if you're heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, asexual or whatever..

What really grinds my gears is that we are hounded if we do not support them..

Does anyone else agree that its complete and utter bull# that we are put down if we don't support all of the above? Am i the only one that feels pressured into supporting these people?

Opinions?

Dear Celinem, look up the word, "Demoralization" as a PSYCHOLOGICAL WARFARE method. Demoralization is when the enemy subverts & overturns the basic values of a society to cause confusion, fear, and chaos among the people. It also helps the Demoralization process to have the nation overrun with foreigners who do not speak the nation's language or have any respect for the nation's laws & customs.

The enemy, the Far Left, infiltrated US society a long time ago. It started in the 1920's and has only grown stronger thru each decade. They started with the universities & colleges, and the media.

There was a brief moment of awakening among the American people right after WWII, but that movement appeared to be discredited when Sen. Joe McCarthy was shamed & shunned by attacking the wrong person.

There's a line about "The greatest trick Satan pulled off was convincing people he does not exist."
You can say the very same thing about the Communists.

The Far Left has been used to create wars & destroy nations by the NWO Cabal (Fascist Elites). The NWO Cabal own the military-industrial complex. The Far Left has made them a lot of money over the decades.

The NWO Cabal is using the Far Left & Islam to destroy the First World nations of the West (that's the US & West European nations). We are being turned into Third World countries where middles classes are small & powerless and the masses are impoverished & even more powerless.

Infiltration, Demoralization, and Destabilization are the classic ways to destroy a nation.

Destabilization comes with overwhelming debt, the devaluation of the currency, a gutted military.

Do you understand? This transgender *%$# is part of the PSYOPS used to destroy people.

originally posted by: celinem
Let me point out that your comments are exactly the issue i am trying to bring up in this thread. You are assuming that my opinion of the LGBQT community is negative because of a 'typical' comment i made. hmmmmm...

a reply to: 3danimator2014

This is up to 27 pages now & I find it very telling that this was both the OP's final post (of 17 total) & final log-in on the same date (June 21) I'd chalk it up to drive-by trolling with a bit more effort than usual before bailing.

Now, off to browse the last 20-some-odd pages I haven't read yet.

a reply to: Nyiah

I knew she was here just for confirmation bias when she said,

"I know this isn't going to be popular".

On this site? Pfffft.

I'm sure many of the users' boners are still raging over it.

a reply to: Nyiah

If you look around a little bit you'll also find that she thinks Hitler was misunderstood and under appreciated

:-)

She got 71 flags for this thread - it takes all sorts to make for a good discussion sometimes

originally posted by: SpaceGoatFart
If your job is threatened it isn't because you disagree. It's because you refuse to serve a customer because of his color/religion/sexual preference.

Again, that's false. Many people have had their jobs threatened because of their position, such as CEOs of companies forced to step down because they didn't publicly support homosexuality. Plus, not making a wedding cake, which is participating in a wedding, or taking photos for the same, also participation, isn't refusing any service; it's refusing a specific service related to an event that violates the person's religious beliefs. Stop pretending this is about someone not wanting to sell a platter of cupcakes.

originally posted by: SpaceGoatFart
Try to defend that kind of behavior as much as you want, it's illegal and it's not "disagreeing". It's discriminating.

It's discriminating against Christians to demand that they participate in weddings that violate their beliefs.

originally posted by: SpaceGoatFart
Also it's quite rich you talk about job and business being threatened. You know who risks to be fired or to lose customers if someone decides that they "disagree" with their sexual preferences? That's right, the LGBT crowd.

List the cases, all of them, with proof. I can list plenty of Christian businesses targeted by homosexuals.

originally posted by: SpaceGoatFart
Honestly you couldn't have chosen a worse argument to try to defend your opinion. Just accept th fact that such an opinion belongs to another time and that there is no rationale to support it any longer today. No one asks anyone to agree with the LGBT lifestyle, only to treat them like what they are : normal people who just like something you don't.

So, you have decided that certain people no longer have a right to religious freedom? Who appointed you arbiter of the Constitution? No one needs your approval to believe as they wish, and no one has to agree with, or participate in, your activities. How about you apply that false cry for tolerance to people who disagree with you? Oh, wait, I forgot, freedom doesn't apply to anyone with a different opinion.....

originally posted by: SpaceGoatFart
By constantly trying to tie together these two very different things (refusing their lifestyle - refusing to interact with them) you only illustrate furthermore how terrible such an opinion is. It would be better for you if you'd just stop talking about this all.

Refusing to interact with someone at all, and refusing to service a wedding, are not the same thing. As for me not talking, get over it. You don't get to tell other people that they have no right to their own opinions, any more than you get to tell them they have no right to believe as they wish. The world isn't going to agree with everything you think, say, and do. Trying to force that is what is happening now.

originally posted by: veracity

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes


If someone's job or business is threatened, because they don't agree, I'd call the person threatening the "ass". Maybe that's just me. No one that knows me has ever called me judgmental, however, and that includes a lot of people, with a lot of different ideas, practices, and beliefs. I can respect that we don't all agree. It would be nice if the group shouting "tolerance" all the time could be so themselves.

What you call "business is threatened" is actually "discrimination to people you just don't agree with". The ASS is the bigot.

keep the hate talk to your own home and when you go out in public just don't be hateful and you shouldn't get sued

I don't "talk hate" anywhere, but, hey, go ahead and toss out labels and make assumptions. No, it isn't discrimination to not want to participate in a wedding that is against someone's religious beliefs. In fact, it's discrimination to try and force someone to participate. Plus, who wants someone who doesn't approve of them at their wedding, anyway? That has nothing to do with bigotry. It has everything to do with freedom of religion and freedom of expression.

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
Plus, not making a wedding cake, which is participating in a wedding, or taking photos for the same, also participation, isn't refusing any service; it's refusing a specific service related to an event that violates the person's religious beliefs.

Do Atheists bakers refuse to make wedding cake for Christians because it violates their beliefs?

No because they aren't stupid.

Your argument is stupid no matter how you try to present it. Some Christians just want gays to be hiding in shame so they don't have to remember they exist at all. Well it's not happening, get over it.

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Oh, look.

Unintelligible nonsense about cakes not being cupcakes.

Therefore God is real, equal rights don't matter, and gay people shouldn't be allowed to buy things.

What gymnastics team did you train on?

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

"No, it isn't discrimination to not want to participate in a wedding that is against someone's religious beliefs. In fact, it's discrimination to try and force someone to participate."

It seems like you do not know what discrimination means, that's why you look so clueless.

I will have to accept that some people have a bar keeping them from understanding what is going on. I like to call that bar narrow-mindedness, probably due to religion.

This is NOT a difference in opinion, this is refusing to understand what words such as discrimination and bigotry are. Probably also an issue with feeling threatened and not truly being strong or having faith in your beliefs.

If you understood the full picture of, well...life, then maybe you wouldn't do these bad things and become a better person. I know you truly believe you are doing / thinking the correct way, but honestly, do you really think Jesus would be ok with people hating and judging your fellow human beings bc they are gay?

What you want (and Im talking to all the so-called "christians") is for gays to go back into their shameful closet so you don't have to deal with them. THAT IS HATEFUL!

a reply to: veracity

No I will not keep my opinion to my self because it might hurt your feefees. That's just ridiculous.

originally posted by: SpaceGoatFart

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
Plus, not making a wedding cake, which is participating in a wedding, or taking photos for the same, also participation, isn't refusing any service; it's refusing a specific service related to an event that violates the person's religious beliefs.

Do Atheists bakers refuse to make wedding cake for Christians because it violates their beliefs?

No because they aren't stupid.

Your argument is stupid no matter how you try to present it. Some Christians just want gays to be hiding in shame so they don't have to remember they exist at all. Well it's not happening, get over it.

Bakers have refused some cakes, yes. Confederate flag cakes have been refused, while ISIS cakes were made. Then there is this - fu nny how it isn't discrimination when the cake is on the other foot....

originally posted by: DeadFoot
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Oh, look.

Unintelligible nonsense about cakes not being cupcakes.

Therefore God is real, equal rights don't matter, and gay people shouldn't be allowed to buy things.

What gymnastics team did you train on?

You post that, and ask me that question? That's funny.

originally posted by: veracity
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

"No, it isn't discrimination to not want to participate in a wedding that is against someone's religious beliefs. In fact, it's discrimination to try and force someone to participate."

It seems like you do not know what discrimination means, that's why you look so clueless.
*snip*

So you support lawsuits and discrimination charges against these bakers?

No w who is violating whose rights?

"Society is forced to be accepting of gays & transgenders."

Nope. Most of society is accepting of different lifestyles. It's a "certain" segment(minority) that is being forced to. I can point them out if you ask.

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes

originally posted by: SpaceGoatFart

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
Plus, not making a wedding cake, which is participating in a wedding, or taking photos for the same, also participation, isn't refusing any service; it's refusing a specific service related to an event that violates the person's religious beliefs.

Do Atheists bakers refuse to make wedding cake for Christians because it violates their beliefs?

No because they aren't stupid.

Your argument is stupid no matter how you try to present it. Some Christians just want gays to be hiding in shame so they don't have to remember they exist at all. Well it's not happening, get over it.

Bakers have refused some cakes, yes. Confederate flag cakes have been refused, while ISIS cakes were made. Then there is this - fu nny how it isn't discrimination when the cake is on the other foot....

The man in the video asked "gay bakers" to bake cakes with "Gay Marriage Is Wrong" on them.

What's wrong with you? How can you consider this a normal behavior? This is a straight attack against them.

Do gays go to "Christian bakers" asking them to bake cakes with "God doesn't exist" on them? No they just asked for a plain wedding cake.


Seriously the more you try to defend your opinion, the more you fall into a caricature by quoting and posting completely stupid examples.

At first I thought you were OK but if now you claim that what you posted (someone asking gays to write "Gay Marriage Is Wrong") is normal and a good argument, you are beyond help, and supporting hateful, aggressive and irrespectful behavior.

This is the guy from the video you are quoting:

Walid Shoebat, a Christian fascist for his demand that all gay people be “slaughtered” (along with other bizarre positions, like wanting to deny women the right to vote).

www.patheos.com...


Is this the Christian values I was taught as a child? No and you should be ashamed of what you posted in this thread, and to use this guy as a justification for your opinion.

And I'm saying this a Christian. Really I have no words. The guy wants to slaughter gays and yet you say he "suffers discrimination from them" because he asks them cakes with "Gay marriage is wrong".


Again, WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU? Get help or get lost.

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
So you support lawsuits and discrimination charges against these bakers?

I support lawsuits against discrimination. The problem is you don't really understand what discrimination means and why it's illegal.

a reply to: jasminnne

fine, be as belligerent and ignorant as you want...see where it gets you

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

just fyi, when you are being "included" in an event, etc...that is the opposite of discrimination.

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes

originally posted by: veracity
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

"No, it isn't discrimination to not want to participate in a wedding that is against someone's religious beliefs. In fact, it's discrimination to try and force someone to participate."

It seems like you do not know what discrimination means, that's why you look so clueless.
*snip*

So you support lawsuits and discrimination charges against these bakers?

No w who is violating whose rights?

So you're using an example of a man making a demand for a cake that they don't offer as a "violation of rights" simply because it coincides with your group-think ideology as well.

You need to fall of the partisan spectrum immediately and start thinking for yourself. Seriously.

Anyone who is still bringing up "cake drama" every time someone talks about LGBT issues needs to seriously get a hold of themselves.

a reply to: intrepid

Maybe you want more acceptance of this sort -

...and we were told this wouldn't happen...