Revelation by a Freemason

Originally posted by Shadow Ghost 7
i got a question how do you know i never attended a meeting. as far as i know I have not disclosed the fact that i do not know what gose on in these meetings.

Because you've made posts as ignorant of Masonry as this.

Originally posted by Shadow Ghost 7
ok have you talked to every single person in every lodge then you can tell me nothing is going on.

also what do you mean degrees if there is no ranking in it.
so technicly it it is a multi level system !

You are most likely *not* a mason and thusly you can *not* of been present at a Masonic meeting. Sure you could of gone to the dinner before one, or to a family dinner or a BBQ or the installation of the officers. But you could not off been at a closed door Masonic meeting.

I must admit Shadow Ghost, i´m pretty confused...

Either you have been present at the meetings (dubious), or haven't and so are not privvy to such information or topics discussed therein...

Could you confirm one way or the other?

Thanks

My friend mentioned some other things that may be of interest. In one of his ritual initiations he had to drink from a human skull. He says that his wife was so terrified with his ritual garb when he would return home, that she ended up divorcing him becuase he would not tell her what it was all about. On another note I have to say that in my opinion he is not the most intellectual individual. If these things transpired as he says they do, it is possibe that he may have misinterpreted some of the information. This leads me to believe why certain information is kept secret. I don't personally feel that esoteric information should be open to anyone. The profane and vulgar will sully some of the most profound truths of the universe.

Quote: "In one of his ritual initiations he had to drink from a human skull."

Oh Please - give us all a break - what Web Site did you swipe this from?

Quote: "Misinterpreted some of the information."

Yeah like how most people Misinterpret the BIBLE!

Quote: "This leads me to believe why certain Information is kept Secret. I don't personally feel that Esoteric Information should be open to anyone. The *Profane and Vulgar will Sully some of the most Profound Truths of the Universe.*"

Well now you seemed to have gotten the above part correct - Congratulations!

Originally posted by Seraphim_Serpente
Masonic Light be careful when Posting info such as this!
You might cause the Head of the Fundamentalist to EXPLODE!

You have to admit...that would be an interesting pass-time.

Originally posted by Osirisrisen
My friend mentioned some other things that may be of interest. In one of his ritual initiations he had to drink from a human skull. He says that his wife was so terrified with his ritual garb when he would return home, that she ended up divorcing him becuase he would not tell her what it was all about. On another note I have to say that in my opinion he is not the most intellectual individual. If these things transpired as he says they do, it is possibe that he may have misinterpreted some of the information. This leads me to believe why certain information is kept secret. I don't personally feel that esoteric information should be open to anyone. The profane and vulgar will sully some of the most profound truths of the universe.

Look, Im not a Mason, nor could I ever be one, being female and all, but right off the bat your friend's story reeks of pure BS.

Drinking from human skulls? And he told you the blueprints of the infamous New World order, something thats supposed to be a secret unto death?

Puleeze! use a bit of discretion. It ever occur to you your friend was feeding you a bunch of crap and BS?

Im yet to read anything credible that tells me Masons are anything scary.

Christians, republicans, and liberals scare me more than any crackpot stories about the Masons, and I can easily prove the scary crap they believe in.

For a secret society, they sure as hell make their presence well known. Go downtown here, and you see in big glaring letters: Masonic Temple.

For a secret organization of villans and devil worshipers hell bent on world domination they sure as hell advertise an awful lot!

This for the Evil Elf. Once again I must reiterate that I am not here to defend what was told to me becuase I nor you can disprove or prove these allegations. So for us to argue over this is pointless. I will say again I AM NOT SAYING WHAT HE TOLD ME ARE FACTS. The only facts are he told me these things. I do not for fact his status within the Masonic fraternity. I have seen his documentation with my own eyes. I always think for myself and I see now that is a very wise thing to do. It amazes me how some of the others that have responded to this post would like to argue with me, but they do not have any evidence to support their belief. Likewise they do not have any evidence to contradict what I was told. They only have their opinions. It can only be contradicted if you were somehow meet him and through your interrogations somehow got him to break under the pressure. Kinda like an old Perry Mason episode. If the things he told me were true then what's the big deal. They could be doing things a whole lot worse than that.

You are stating what your friend told you, and we in turn are counter arguing it. You posted it, so its up for examination and criticism.

We are simply letting you know your friend might be full of BS, since others on this board might take your friends statement at face value, thus, we must debate it.

Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
You are stating what your friend told you, and we in turn are counter arguing it. You posted it, so its up for examination and criticism.

We are simply letting you know your friend might be full of BS, since others on this board might take your friends statement at face value, thus, we must debate it.

I can agree with that.

Quick note: I respect all people on these forums, esp. the Masons who are here to defend their interests. However, this post is filled with obvious stuff: OK, we all know the basic blatant stuff that you guys seem to have taken a dozen posts to explain:

Yes the guy could be lying; yes the guy who told him could be lying. Thus, it is possible that the information about the sinister doings of upper Masonic Management could be completely false. However the burden is on you guys to prove it, but that really won't happened on an internet thread. So, he made his comments, and profound they are indeed. In Law, we must give a witness testimony a significant degree of credibility unless evidence surfaces such that the basic credibility becomes trumpted, and Osirisrisen deserves the same. The irrationality is the fact that you guys pesist in such a fashion to no end. We know you think Masonary is NOT evil in anyway and that it is NOT a secret society. Some people believe different, from history books, personal experiences and world events. And some of us believe you guys are sadly being used for some evil end, but you think you know everything about the Masons, which you clearly DO NOT; however, much more than me. I personally think you guys are being led down the garden path: Patriots, NO different than the average American.

Originally posted by freudling
Yes the guy could be lying; yes the guy who told him could be lying. Thus, it is possible that the information about the sinister doings of upper Masonic Management could be completely false. However the burden is on you guys to prove it, but that really won't happened on an internet thread.

Hehehe...I thought you were going to defend democracy against my Platonic heresies. And in a democracy, the burden of proof is on the accuser.

But a really important point that you guys continuously seem to miss is that there is no such thing as an "upper Masonic management" outside of the general membership. Everytime Grand Lodge meets, all members are invited to attend if they want to come. The highest ranking Masonic official is the Grand Master, and all he can do is make recommendations; the regular members have to vote on his recommendations, and if they disallow whatever he's proposed, then it's not going to happen.

Likewise, if the membership wants to do something, but the Grand Master opposes it, then the Grand Master just has to get over it. Nothing happens in Masonry without the approval of the general membership, and if the general membership do not like the current Grand Master or Grand Officers, all they have to do is vote for someone else, or run for office themselves.

People can say all the nasty things they want about the Masons, but i don't buy it. My little brother (god rest his soul), before his death at age 5 due to cancer was put up free of charge in a Shriners Hospital (a masonic charity). No satanic organization i've ever heard of would do this. I'm not a Mason, in fact i don't even know if we have a lodge here anymore but the Masons i've met have been real stand up guys willing to give you the shirt off their backs.

My friend mentioned some other things that may be of interest. In one of his ritual initiations he had to drink from a human skull. He says that his wife was so terrified with his ritual garb when he would return home, that she ended up divorcing him becuase he would not tell her what it was all about.

Okay this is just getting rediculous, I think you got that from a Book written
by a born again Preacher, although I'm not 100 percent sure, I'm sure
I've read something very similar myself.

Here's one source of the drinking from a skull comment

Man, this thread is beginning to get really repetitious...I'm no Mason, but I grew up in a family of Forresters, married into a bunch of Orange Lodge, did my stint in Optimists, fiddled with A.M.O.R.C and did a whole bunch of other stuff with the intent of being a 'good citizen'.

I even vote in every election.

Why is it so difficult for some people to understand that these groups have, as their primary purpose, the betterment of their communities? Some groups also tack on a stress toward personal development as well, but that's not so strange either. Maybe the Lions Club, of which my dad was a member, had a stress on business...but they're not all Bilderburghers are they? Does anyone care what the Lions Club is up to behind closed doors? No...
You certainly don't hear about the Optimists Club as being a threat to the status quo...but, why not look there?...God only knows what they're up to!

I doubt there is anyone alive, over the age of 15, who is not aware of the good works done by these clubs. If you're really worried...join them...be an infiltrator!...save the world!



[edit on 29-1-2005 by masqua]

Originally posted by madhatter
Here's one source of the drinking from a skull comment

As a Masonic Knight Templar, I can say with all assurance that the oaths printed on that webpage are 100% false. Masonic Knights Templar do not swear those oaths, and that webpage's source of "information", Bill Schnoebolen, has been shown to be a quack.

Originally posted by madhatter
Okay this is just getting rediculous, I think you got that from a Book written
by a born again Preacher, although I'm not 100 percent sure, I'm sure
I've read something very similar myself.

No, I didn't get that from a book. I received the information just like I said I did. Please stay focused on the facts of the matter and not drift off into lala land. Where did that come from? Is that something just inside of your head? Your cynicism and arrogance are really mindblowing. I find this as a real eye opening experience into the working of the human psyche, and I am amazed. Just becuase you say its not so, then its not so. However, a 32nd degree Mason says these things and he's a raving lunatic, according to you. Allow me to ponder and weigh the sayings of each. Umm..... that David Icke might just be on to something.....

[edit on 1-2-2005 by Osirisrisen]

Not to do with Freemasonry:

Listen, if you don't know how a hospital ties into something like the idea of Satanism, thats ok.

But think about it. Think about all the suffering, all the blood spilt.

I worked in a hospital, I saw newborns before they saw their mother.

What surprised me the MOST in the new Hospital that was built, well, the entire floor of the building had half circle-type designs nothing major. Nothing you would even notice.

But one room where the floor pattern was not generic was the Operating Room. I got a tour before they started moving everything in (and worked right outside the OR once the place was 'operational'), and right in the center of this room, the most critical room in the Hospital, was this big red circle.

So everywhere leading to the OR had basically clean white floors, but in the actual OR there was this permanent blood stain looking thing, in a new Hospital!

But in the end, its just symbolism. Inappropriate as it may be.

Originally posted by akilles
Not to do with Freemasonry:

Listen, if you don't know how a hospital ties into something like the idea of Satanism, thats ok.

But think about it. Think about all the suffering, all the blood spilt.

I worked in a hospital, I saw newborns before they saw their mother.

What surprised me the MOST in the new Hospital that was built, well, the entire floor of the building had half circle-type designs nothing major. Nothing you would even notice.

But one room where the floor pattern was not generic was the Operating Room. I got a tour before they started moving everything in (and worked right outside the OR once the place was 'operational'), and right in the center of this room, the most critical room in the Hospital, was this big red circle.

So everywhere leading to the OR had basically clean white floors, but in the actual OR there was this permanent blood stain looking thing, in a new Hospital!

But in the end, its just symbolism. Inappropriate as it may be.

You're one sick puppy, dude.
Hospitals are satanic domains?
I guess some people will reach for whatever sick, twisted theory that they can in order to slander the names of others.

I've got to admit that in my couple of years on ATS I've seen quite a few haters with quite a few crackpot theories. Yours is up there with the weirdest though.
Tell me. Did this hospital have any lavatories?

As a Masonic Knight Templar, I can say with all assurance that the oaths printed on that webpage are 100% false. Masonic Knights Templar do not swear those oaths, and that webpage's source of "information", Bill Schnoebolen, has been shown to be a quack.

Hi ML I do realize that the site was garbage, I was just pointing
out some of the crap thrown about regarding Freemasonry