Why Is Iran Our Enemy?

a reply to: Domo1

I think the real enemy are the 1%ers, corporations, banking houses/cartels and there political puppets that we mistakenly believe we place in power.

originally posted by: crazyewok
Because our wonderfull allies Saudi arabia hate them......

That or it sounds like Iraq so it must be bad derp derp.....


Either way our true enemy in the middle east is saudi arabia not Iran.

I'll throw in a couple hundred bucks if you visit and keep up the silly cocky Brit thing outside of protected tourist areas. Go stroll around and have fun!

Or true enemies all have a certain faith, and they will kill plump sausages like you at the drop of a hat. Go have fun in Iran.

a reply to: uncommitted

Nope. I cede the '53 involvement and motives.

What you avoid is the obvious relationship that existed between the U.S. and Iran up to the well orchestrated overthrow of the Shah.

Obviously, the U.S. doesn't sell advanced fighters to Iran if they are viewed as 'enemies'...Yes? 101 level logic here...

The thread is addressing why Iran is viewed as an enemy...yes...no?

Basic logic then says the '53 act isn't the start point of 'Iran' being viewed as an enemy state. It is the overthrow of the Shah and subsequent events that caused that view. The Shah obviously had repressive traits. The replacements were far worse, by every accounting, right to this day than the Shah was.

I consider Iran an enemy state and that view will remain until the current regime is gone...at which point I will reassess.

a reply to: Raven95

Look at this ones history guys. I'll have this post deleted, but look at the history.

originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: uncommitted

Nope. I cede the '53 involvement and motives.

What you avoid is the obvious relationship that existed between the U.S. and Iran up to the well orchestrated overthrow of the Shah.

Obviously, the U.S. doesn't sell advanced fighters to Iran if they are viewed as 'enemies'...Yes? 101 level logic here...

The thread is addressing why Iran is viewed as an enemy...yes...no?

Basic logic then says the '53 act isn't the start point of 'Iran' being viewed as an enemy state. It is the overthrow of the Shah and subsequent events that caused that view. The Shah obviously had repressive traits. The replacements were far worse, by every accounting, right to this day than the Shah was.

I consider Iran an enemy state and that view will remain until the current regime is gone...at which point I will reassess.

Right, well ok, if history isn't your thing who am I to argue. The thread is addressing why Iran is viewed as an enemy. If you actually bothered to read the link it may help you understand why I linked it, principally due to the Ayatollah convincing the Carter administration he would bring unity to the area and work with America, yet when he was back in power and blitzed through the serving officials, he started the whole America is Satan thing - not a good way to earn friends.

You talk about when the current regime is gone - I assume you mean Obama? He is the one that has held constructive talks with Iran and reached out to begin diplomatic relations, does that not therefore mean that unless you are a rabid republican they are no longer perceived as an enemy?

a reply to: Domo1

What history are you referring to?
Are you referring to the fact that Shia and Sunnis had their conflicts in the past?

a reply to: uncommitted


Hmm, Carter publically backed the Shah. Not that it matters, seeing you haven't rebutted a single point I raised.

originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: uncommitted


Hmm, Carter publically backed the Shah. Not that it matters, seeing you haven't rebutted a single point I raised.

No, you've fairly much refused to take onboard the link I provided which is real fact, not hearsay, not sure what you posted that you want to discuss.

a reply to: uncommitted


As I thought....

Iran aka Persia.

Home of the Ottoman Empire.

They share a long history with the 'West'. Maybe they even share their origins as a people, eventually separated and made enemies due to religion and the color of their skin (that may be completely wrong idk).

Cyrus the Great was the king of Persia. He conquered neo-Babylon way back when..

It seems that the aggression is one sided, and for as long as I can remember, the US having issues w Iran.

Who the heck knows what's going on..

It seems like they are the final frontier.

Ottoman–Habsburg wars

a reply to: Raven95

Because a bunch of Iranians flew planes into our buildings... Oh wait no that's wrong

Because the Iranians support IS... No crud that's wrong too

I dunno. Because they took some of operatives hostage back about forty years ago?

I actually don't know.

Iran is not our enemy. Saudi Arabia is.

We installed a cruel puppet dictator over there (The Shah) that they overturned and then took over our embassy in protest.

No wonder they have a little ill will towards us, but in reality, most Iranians are western lifestyle loving normal people who generally aren't radicalized like the lunatics that come out of Saudi Arabia.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Domo1

I think the real enemy are the 1%ers, corporations, banking houses/cartels and there political puppets that we mistakenly believe we place in power.

More money to be made in chaos than in peace by a few powerful vested interests.

Mossadegh.

He was appointed prime minister of Iran in 1952.

He was a "commie," and nationalized the oil industry in his nation---he seized all the British and US-held oil fields.

So the CIA hosted a coup and had him overthrown. And the Shah became the dictator.


Yay CIA! Making friends and influencing people since 1944.

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: TheBulk
a reply to: Raven95

You know they round gays up in trucks and execute them publicly?

And our wonderfull allies saudi arabia treat gays with love and affection?

No they do it too. That makes it ok for Iran and we should ignore it?

a reply to: TheBulk

No its double standards.

We give Saudi Arabia weapons and money and pat them on the back yet we threaten Iran with war?

Plus Iran keeps its terrorists in the middle east unlike saudi arabia who export terrorism to the west!

Why the double standards? Why not condem both?

Or if we have to choose a evil why SA who support issis? Better to pick Iran who don't?

If we should be bombing anyone right now its the saudis!

Iran has horrific human rights abuses like SA but its saudi nations behind the wests biggest terrorist attacks!

originally posted by: amazing
Iran is not our enemy. Saudi Arabia is.

We installed a cruel puppet dictator over there (The Shah) that they overturned and then took over our embassy in protest.

No wonder they have a little ill will towards us, but in reality, most Iranians are western lifestyle loving normal people who generally aren't radicalized like the lunatics that come out of Saudi Arabia.

To add to that, Iran viewed the UK as the "Great Satan" long before the US took that "crown". The reason they took over the US Embassy is because we (the US) allowed the Shah temporary asylum here. They wanted us to extradite him back to Iran to face charges.

Ironically, Reagan made a deal w/the clerics where they'd release the American hostages & embassy in return for weapons and the such. The Reagan administration followed through with this in the "Iran-Contra Scandal". Which is ironic, since the West and GCC were also backing Saddam Hussein against Iran in the 1980-1988 Iran-Iraq War.

In fact, the whole reason Saddam's Iraq invaded Kuwait in 1990 is because Kuwait was calling in multi-billion dollar loans from the Iran-Iraq War. Saddam couldn't repay them and Kuwait had been a part of Iraq in the past, so Saddam used that as justification to invade them (and nullify those debts). Saudi Arabia and the other GCC countries were afraid that Saddam would do the same thing to them (he owed them war debts, too). So they called in the West to help, even though we backed him against Iran just a few years earlier. Bin Laden didn't want the West to come because he said we'd never leave the Arabian Peninsula if we helped (and he was right). So he instead kept campaigning to have his troops ("al qaeda") fight Saddam instead. The GCC chose the West instead and "the Gulf War"/Operation Desert Storm happened.

The increased irony is that the West sold Saddam some of the "weapons of mass destruction" for his war against Iran. And Saddam used chemical weapons against the Kurds during that war, even though the US was pushing the Kurds to gain independence during that war (which is tragic since the US didn't help the Kurds when they were being gassed, though we implemented a "no fly zone" for them after Desert Storm.) And even worse, the reason Saddam's Iraq was later put on the list of "State sponsors of terrorism" is because they backed a terrorist group in Iran during the Iran-Iraq War (yet the West didn't mind at the time). Israel would later back that same group during the Iran nuclear "crisis", but the US took the group off of the list of "terrorists" specifically to avoid any perceived contradictions.

And like I said earlier, it's actually even more complicated than what I'm posting. I'm actually a noob on the subject.

a reply to: amazing

And most recently the shooter in FL visited Saudi Arabia twice if i recall