So, after mass shooting, Australia "banned" guns 20 years ago = ZERO mass killings since

a reply to: Jaellma

The US has enjoyed a 40% improvement in gun violence since 1993, and it continues to improve every year. The talk of banning guns is pretty ridiculous. Kudos to Australia on the zero "mass killings", now here is the rest of this ugly story:

In the first year after the guns were confiscated in Australia: Australia-wide, homicides were up 3.2 percent, Australia-wide, assaults up 8.6 percent; Australia-wide, armed robberies up 44 percent. In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms up 300 percent. So while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not and criminals still possess their guns, duuuuh.

While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward after the first year of confiscation, since the criminals were guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.

There was also a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the elderly. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in "successfully ridding Australian society of guns."

a reply to: Jaellma

The Australian Institute of Criminology describes a Mass Killing as a shooting in which four or more people are fatally shot by a single gunman. In 2002 two people were killed and five were injured in a shooting at Melbourne's Monash University; in 2011 three people were killed and three were wounded in the Hectorville siege; and last year three people (including the gunman) were killed and four were injured in a Sydney hostage crisis. In the 18 years prior to the Port Arthur massacre, 112 people were killed in 13 mass shootings in Australia.

If you want to live with a few tidbits of freedom...fine, move to Australia. Our country was forged in the wake of free men, standing up to the tyranny of a very over bearing government. There are plenty of places you can pick up and move that will fit your requirements. There are VERY FEW PLACES LEFT LIKE THE USA. These fairy tail, zero crimes places don't exist in this world, dress it up how you like, they DOESNT EXIST. You can focus on "mass shootings", but keep in mind this is a terrorist attack. We have our "freedom spreading" government to thank for that. We will be the focus of terrorist for decades...all the more reason to be prepared. I have a gun on me anytime I a outside of my home. You bet your ass if something went down like Orlando and I was present, these asshats would hit some resistance.
Me and millions other Patriots will keep this country how our forefathers intended, AT ANY COST. Malitias exist for a reason as well, this was also something our forefathers knew a corrupt government could take hold again. Disarm a nation and you will completely control that nation.
Oh, and I bet Australia will never let you in. Imagine that.

originally posted by: SomeDumbBroad

originally posted by: Denoli

originally posted by: Snarl
Pfffft

I'd rather deal with mass shootings ... than give up our 2d Amendment Rights.

And this is why America is fyckd !
Great attitude YAWN !

America is screwed because we don't want to disarm ourselves especially in the wake of tradgedy in order to placate certain political agendas and make ourselves even more susceptible to attack? Got it.

American has a problem with muggings, home invasions and robberies at stores. Given that it can take the police 45 minutes to arrive, what is the best way to defend yourself against someone with a knife or machete?

originally posted by: stormcell

originally posted by: SomeDumbBroad

originally posted by: Denoli

originally posted by: Snarl
Pfffft

I'd rather deal with mass shootings ... than give up our 2d Amendment Rights.

And this is why America is fyckd !
Great attitude YAWN !

America is screwed because we don't want to disarm ourselves especially in the wake of tradgedy in order to placate certain political agendas and make ourselves even more susceptible to attack? Got it.

American has a problem with muggings, home invasions and robberies at stores. Given that it can take the police 45 minutes to arrive, what is the best way to defend yourself against someone with a knife or machete?

I was being facetious in this comment....

originally posted by: Jaellma
The facts don't lie. After Australia suffered from the mass shooting where 35 people in Port Arthur were massacred, they severely restricted gun ownership to all in Australia. The result is there have been zero mass killings since.

The oft-cited statistic in Australia is a simple one: There have been no mass killings — defined by experts there as a gunman killing five or more people besides himself — since the nation significantly tightened its gun control laws almost 20 years ago.

In the continuing debate over how to stop mass killings in the United States, Australia has become a familiar touchstone.

President Obama has cited the country’s gun laws as a model for the United States, calling Australia a nation “like ours.” On the campaign trail, Hillary Clinton has said the Australian approach is “worth considering.” The National Rifle Association has dismissed the policies, contending that they “robbed Australians of their right to self-defense and empowered criminals” without reducing violent crime.

Australia also instituted a national gun registry and buyback gun program, something the US has failed to do nationwide.

If the US government wants to get things under control, they need to enact nationwide gun programs, extended wait processes for gun purchases and some sort of efficient gun buyback program.

Until that happens, there will continue to be gun massacres across the US, irrespective of sources committing the acts and especially in the gun friendly states, such as Florida.

How Australia ended mass killings

Totally False
Plenty of Australian mass killings over the last 20years
en.wikipedia.org...

Plus,in France, the most severe gun laws in the western world did NOT prevent the mass shooting of over 130 people in Paris last november

The facts don't lie.

originally posted by: Jaellma
The facts don't lie. After Australia suffered from the mass shooting where 35 people in Port Arthur were massacred, they severely restricted gun ownership to all in Australia. The result is there have been zero mass killings since.

The oft-cited statistic in Australia is a simple one: There have been no mass killings — defined by experts there as a gunman killing five or more people besides himself — since the nation significantly tightened its gun control laws almost 20 years ago.

In the continuing debate over how to stop mass killings in the United States, Australia has become a familiar touchstone.

President Obama has cited the country’s gun laws as a model for the United States, calling Australia a nation “like ours.” On the campaign trail, Hillary Clinton has said the Australian approach is “worth considering.” The National Rifle Association has dismissed the policies, contending that they “robbed Australians of their right to self-defense and empowered criminals” without reducing violent crime.

Australia also instituted a national gun registry and buyback gun program, something the US has failed to do nationwide.

If the US government wants to get things under control, they need to enact nationwide gun programs, extended wait processes for gun purchases and some sort of efficient gun buyback program.

Until that happens, there will continue to be gun massacres across the US, irrespective of sources committing the acts and especially in the gun friendly states, such as Florida.

How Australia ended mass killings

You are quite right. The facts DON'T lie!

Statistics show that while there have been no mass shootings in Australia since the introduction of stricter gun controls. While gun related crimes may have dropped.

There has been no reduction in the homicide rate and no reduction in violent crimes.

People just find other ways of killing each other and other weapons to commit crimes with.

GUN CONTROL DOESN'T WORK! THE FACTS SUPPORT THIS .!.

Lol, sometimes I think this place is just a forum for Europeans to piss and moan about American rights. Maybe you should just relax and wait for your impending Islamic take-over. Your police are sure to not protect you.

originally posted by: EyeKyu
Lol, sometimes I think this place is just a forum for Europeans to piss and moan about American rights. Maybe you should just relax and wait for your impending Islamic take-over. Your police are sure to not protect you.

Or ... you could move out of moms basement and have your own experiences instead of being fed them through media

originally posted by: carewemust
Automatic guns should be shipped only to law enforcement and the military. Over time, mass murders and drive-by shootings will decline. You have to start somewhere!

Do you even know what an automatic firearm is?

A standard six shot revolver allows you to pull the trigger...shoot a bullet and then pull the trigger again to shoot the second bullet. You can fire all six shots before you have to reload.

A standard seven shot automatic pistol allows you to pull the trigger...shoot a bullet and then pull the trigger again to shoot the second bullet. You can fire all seven shots before you have to reload.

An automatic firearm IS NOT MACHINE GUN!!!! Those are completely illegal and can not be purchased legally anywhere in the USA by anyone. No legal gun allows you to hold down the trigger while it continues to spit out bullets.

On top of that...an "Assault Rifle" is NOT necessarily an automatic weapon and is NEVER a fully automatic machine gun. It is a weapon that "looks awesome"...or resembles it's fully automatic cousin. You can buy (I may be a little off here, but close enough) a single shot, .22 (very small) AK-47 LOOKING firearm. The look of the weapon has NOTHING to do with its capabilities.

Judging a firearm by its "look" is just like racism. Your ignorance makes you afraid of it because you don't understand it.

In many countries; guns are banned. Simple as that. Even big knifes are a pain in the ass to buy; let alone carrying them. I am not talking about some "specific" countries that you can get whatever you want; but like Australia. Weapons are bad guys.


One little thing I remember which will be my own comment:
I watched something some years ago about a possible future lightsaber invention and many of the US citizens (and possibly many other people around the world) said "I would go out and cut anything I could find for pleasure." This is the mentality nowadays. Take what lesson you can pick from this. The mentality is clear. Even hunting should be considered as a "need" ; not a sport. You have to eat what you shoot. Other than that you must be punished. So I am with the people who thinks guns should be banned.

a reply to: Snarl

of course not...but I think it fair that we all have a little less (just in future we are all not allowed to purchase killing machines) in order to stop massacres.

See, we can still purchase guns, just not assault rifles. We can keep what we already have, just going forward we cannot purchase assault rifles. A right not many people practice anyways.

If you notice...we all still have the same rights

originally posted by: Snarl
Pfffft

I'd rather deal with mass shootings ... than give up our 2d Amendment Rights.

Lets hope it is only YOU killed in the next inevitable mass shooting in America - your sick and twisted desire to see others killed in horrible ways just so you can keep your penis extensions is absolutely and horrifyingly disgusting.

For shame

originally posted by: veracity
See, we can still purchase guns, just not assault rifles. We can keep what we already have, just going forward we cannot purchase assault rifles. A right not many people practice anyways.

That may have been true at the time that the first AWB passed back in 1994, but it isn't anymore. The biggest sellers in most gun shops in this country will be semi-automatic handguns followed by 'assault rifles' of one kind or another. Ironically, that's probably due in large part to the first AWB and the age old concept that if you tell a person they can't have something, they'll want it all the more.

The media and politicians will try to tell you otherwise, but take a look at the lineups of the two largest firearms manufacturers in the country, Ruger and Smith&Wesson. Smith and Wesson barely bothers with the hunting market at all. Ruger still maintains a presence (though note that neither offers any kind of shotgun), but new product offerings have been leaning toward the tactical crowd. Both are making record profits. The simple fact is, that's where the gun buying market is and has been for several years now.

originally posted by: belkide
In many countries; guns are banned. Simple as that. Even big knifes are a pain in the ass to buy; let alone carrying them. I am not talking about some "specific" countries that you can get whatever you want; but like Australia. Weapons are bad guys.


One little thing I remember which will be my own comment:
I watched something some years ago about a possible future lightsaber invention and many of the US citizens (and possibly many other people around the world) said "I would go out and cut anything I could find for pleasure." This is the mentality nowadays. Take what lesson you can pick from this. The mentality is clear. Even hunting should be considered as a "need" ; not a sport. You have to eat what you shoot. Other than that you must be punished. So I am with the people who thinks guns should be banned.

29 killed 130 wounded in knife attack- China

BTW I live in the country and a few months ago I shot an opossum that was harassing my cats for their food and probably crawling with disease. I don't care what you say, I'm not eating a diseased opossum.

If Australia was a super power with easy immigration policies instead of a closed society they would already be on the terrorists TARGET lists. Has nothing to do with access to small arms. As it stands now, Ethiopia could invade Australia and take it in a week.

I think your thinking about the sydney siege. It wasn't a mass shooting a gunman killed one guy and the police accidentally shot a hostage during the raid. Port Arthur is the last mass shooting Australia has had, however, there has been a couple of familicides where some loon offed his family.

a reply to: Hazardous1408

I am so sick of this. Terrorists disrespect our nation, our laws, and our people, and murder us...and the response is to attack our constitution... You make me sick.

Why not attack the people who are doing the killing instead? Oh wait...you cant...you disarmed yourself...idiot.

originally posted by: tmeister182
If Australia was a super power with easy immigration policies instead of a closed society they would already be on the terrorists TARGET lists. Has nothing to do with access to small arms. As it stands now, Ethiopia could invade Australia and take it in a week.

LOL. Seriously? Ethiopia could invade us in a week?

Go talk to the Japs who tried that in WW2. They landed on our north coast, trudged inland for 2 weeks and couldn't find anything so gave up and went home. Our country is the size of America, with a lot less people and a LOT of open, inhospitable space - surrounded on all sides by ocean. There is a reason we are one of the few nations that hasn't been successfully invaded.

Also, we are NOT a closed society, where the hell do you come up with that nonsense?

Next time, before you make up complete nonsense and try to pass it off as truth, perhaps check your facts first?

a reply to: ladyvalkyrie

lol thats not the situation I was talking about. And of course I would kill a rat if I saw it in the house.