Orlando Nightclub Massacre

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Hazardous1408

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: UnBreakable
Back on April 6th a Muslim speaker at a Florida mosque was calling for death to gays. But the shooter was a lone wolf, right?

Just a point: Christian preachers in the US have called for the death of gays too.

Knowing that most of their demographic won't engage.

When a Hadither does it you can guaruntee some nutjob will act.

Apples & Oranges.

NO, it is not Apples & Oranges.

Most Muslims won't engage either.

But, some Christians have acted.

More Hadithers would follow a Cleric, than Christians would follow a Preacher, all day every day.

I say this as a Muslim. I didn't say Muslims either. I said Hadithers. That's what they are.

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

Yes, it is a problem. It was carried out by a Muslim Army Officer who was in communication with a known terrorist and nothing was done. Then, when he finally carried out his personal jihad it was not a terror attack.

You seem to be missing quite a few dots...recruiting stations...Naval bases...etc....we are all supposed to just forget those too and they are classified as MASS SHOOTINGS.

a reply to: matafuchs

He called 911 prior to the shooting and pledged allegiance to ISIS.

This must be some sort of requirement by ISIS that they announce their allegiance in some sort of traceable public way. Remember, the Terror Lady in San Bernardino announced pledged her allegiance openly on social media just before their massacre.

So, it is more than just yelling "Allah Akbar". They have to publicly announce it.

a reply to: Hazardous1408

I had to look that up...

A hadith (/ˈhædɪθ/[1] or /hɑːˈdiːθ/;[2] Arabic: حديث‎‎ ḥadīṯ, plural: hadithat, أحاديث, ʼaḥādīṯ[3]) is one of various reports describing the words, actions, or habits of the Islamic prophet, Muhammad.[3] The term comes from the Arabic meaning a "report", "account" or "narrative". Hadith are second only to the Quran in developing Islamic jurisprudence,[4] and regarded as important tools for understanding the Quran and commentaries (tafsir) written on it. Some important elements of traditional Islam, such as the five salat prayers, are mentioned in hadith.[5]

Hadith on wiki.

a reply to: Shamrock6

So far the shooter just up and pledged his allegiance. I'm not saying there were 5 other shooters. But it feels the suspect had a push or help.

a reply to: onequestion

probably why the IRA had some of the best bomb makers around..

just pointing out, if one wants to kill a bunch of people, one can find a way, guns or no guns.

originally posted by: IAMTAT
If it hasn't been mentioned yet,....witnesses said the man was yelling "Allahu Akbar"!

he also called 911 and said he was with isis before he started the massacre pres speaking now

Is it okay to mention that NBC just reported that witnesses said the terrorist referenced the Tsarnaev Bros?

originally posted by: ketsuko
The Office of Homeland Security is all "See Something; Say Something" ... but not if you think it might offend someone and get you thought of as a bigot ...

There is a line, though. Where do you draw it?

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: Hazardous1408

I had to look that up...

A hadith (/ˈhædɪθ/[1] or /hɑːˈdiːθ/;[2] Arabic: حديث‎‎ ḥadīṯ, plural: hadithat, أحاديث, ʼaḥādīṯ[3]) is one of various reports describing the words, actions, or habits of the Islamic prophet, Muhammad.[3] The term comes from the Arabic meaning a "report", "account" or "narrative". Hadith are second only to the Quran in developing Islamic jurisprudence,[4] and regarded as important tools for understanding the Quran and commentaries (tafsir) written on it. Some important elements of traditional Islam, such as the five salat prayers, are mentioned in hadith.[5]

Hadith on wiki.

Didn't exist for a good 250+ years after Muhammad's passing.

The root cause of all Terror.


Waste of ink and parchment.

I have only one thing to ask everyone, hate the person who did this, hate the people he "worked" for, but dont hate muslims. I fear what the reprocussion of what was done will be on many good muslims.

a reply to: matafuchs

Ft, Hood happened in 2009, not 2015.

When many people are killed, even if it was a terrorism incident, it's STILL classified as a mass shooting. The motivation and other factors classify it additionally as a terrorist attack.

No double standards coming from this liberal. I blame this on Islam. Plain and simple. Just like I blame the attack on Planned Parenthood and other fundie evils on Christianity.

Do most Muslims practice in peace? Yep. Just like most Christians do. But when an adherent to one of the Abrahamic cults kill people while shouting religious things, quoting from texts that command them to kill their victims (Christian bible and the Quran), I will blame the religion.

The Abrahamic faiths are evil. When it is practiced as evil, we need to all call it for what it is instead of trying to rename it. They are the bath salts of religion.

a reply to: matafuchs

Not according to DoD they're not.

Fort Hood, little rock, and Chattanooga were all classified as terror attacks and Purple Hearts awarded to the wounded.

Chattanooga was investigated as a terror attack from the beginning, and the conclusion was that the shooter was inspired and motivated by radical Islam.

Daaamnn!

Obama won't even say it's connected to ISIS.

It's an act of terror and an act of hate.

Typical PC bull#.

I want someone with enough balls to stand up there and tell us the damn truth and not skirt around the fact that this guy is connected with ISIS.

a reply to: queenofswords

Honestly, I think they are doing that because the US government has been 'editing' content. Anything posted digitally can be removed quite easily. Calling into 911 has a tape and a person hearing it.

Good point though...

a reply to: Abysha

(Christian bible and the Quran Hadith), I will blame the religion.

Won't find anything of the sort in the Quran.

a reply to: Hazardous1408

Make a thread explaining that for us will you?

a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

I agree with that too, but I guess you have to think to yourself - If I had average redneck Joe Sixpack living next door and he was doing this and I'd think about reporting him real, real hard, and the only thing stopping me is that this isn't Joe Sixpack, this is Ali, and I don't want anyone to think I pulled the trigger because this is Ali ... You might want to gut check your impulse.

originally posted by: Hazardous1408
a reply to: Abysha

(Christian bible and the Quran Hadith), I will blame the religion.

Won't find anything of the sort in the Quran.

You are right. I was including the Hadiths.

Pure Quranists are awesome and we have some on the site.