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"Aryanam Vaijah" literally homeland of THE Aryans...yes Aryans are a race otherwise they would not have a homeland they would have said they can be found wherever noble people can be found.
You see unlike today the Aryans didn't give a fig about political correctness.
Oh and btw are you forgetting the dna results of high caste Indians proving the Aryans were European?
originally posted by: zinc12
a reply to: DJW001
Oh and btw are you forgetting the dna results of high caste Indians proving the Aryans were European?
The origins and affinities of the ∼1 billion people living on the subcontinent of India have long been contested. This is owing, in part, to the many different waves of immigrants that have influenced the genetic structure of India. In the most recent of these waves, Indo-European-speaking people from West Eurasia entered India from the Northwest and diffused throughout the subcontinent. They purportedly admixed with or displaced indigenous Dravidic-speaking populations. Subsequently they may have established the Hindu caste system and placed themselves primarily in castes of higher rank. To explore the impact of West Eurasians on contemporary Indian caste populations, we compared mtDNA (400 bp of hypervariable region 1 and 14 restriction site polymorphisms) and Y-chromosome (20 biallelic polymorphisms and 5 short tandem repeats) variation in ∼265 males from eight castes of different rank to ∼750 Africans, Asians, Europeans, and other Indians. For maternally inherited mtDNA, each caste is most similar to Asians. However, 20%–30% of Indian mtDNA haplotypes belong to West Eurasian haplogroups, and the frequency of these haplotypes is proportional to caste rank, the highest frequency of West Eurasian haplotypes being found in the upper castes. In contrast, for paternally inherited Y-chromosome variation each caste is more similar to Europeans than to Asians. Moreover, the affinity to Europeans is proportionate to caste rank, the upper castes being most similar to Europeans, particularly East Europeans. These findings are consistent with greater West Eurasian male admixture with castes of higher rank.
No, I just understand what those results actually mean. Certain populations have sequences of genes in frequencies similar to those of other populations.
originally posted by: punkinworks10
a reply to: FatherLukeDuke
You are spot on with your reply, except for one thing;
The IE didnt move into a declining Idus valley civilization so much as the climate change that caused the Indus civ to fail also put the IE in motion as there ancestral grazing lands could no longer support their herds.
Most people also don't realize that the Idus valley civ. knew nothing of the horse, there are no imagery or statuary of horses ever found at a Indus Civ. site.
originally posted by: zinc12
a reply to: FatherLukeDuke
Whilst they have so far traced these Aryans back to south Russia I say in time they will find bones in the far north of Russia up closer to the arctic circle, the land immediately around the axial mountain meru.
Nice try but I already showed that the European genetic component in high chaste Indians has been traced back to the south border of Russia.
originally posted by: FatherLukeDuke
Why do your theories have nothing at all to do with the actual factual stuff you copy and paste in? Do you read the links you put up?
originally posted by: zinc12
a reply to: FatherLukeDuke
Whilst they have so far traced these Aryans back to south Russia I say in time they will find bones in the far north of Russia up closer to the arctic circle, the land immediately around the axial mountain meru.
Bones? What will finding some bones show? The indo-Europeans (nobody really calls them Aryans anymore) were steppe people - cattle herders and horse riders. What makes you think that researchers will suddenly decide they are from Northern Siberia? You post evidence for one thing, then claim something completely different.
And I'm genuinely confused as to where "axial mountain meru" is meant to be??? Mt Meru is in the Himalayas.
originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: zinc12
Nice try but I already showed that the European genetic component in high chaste Indians has been traced back to the south border of Russia.
No, you cited a current interpretation of the data. I'm not even going to address the rest of your post. Incidentally, Vedic culture vanished over 2,000 years ago. The Upanishads, considered across cultures to be among the most profound spiritual works, were produced, it is believed, by the native, and therefore lower caste, Dravidians.
originally posted by: zinc12
originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: zinc12
Nice try but I already showed that the European genetic component in high chaste Indians has been traced back to the south border of Russia.
No, you cited a current interpretation of the data. I'm not even going to address the rest of your post. Incidentally, Vedic culture vanished over 2,000 years ago. The Upanishads, considered across cultures to be among the most profound spiritual works, were produced, it is believed, by the native, and therefore lower caste, Dravidians.
Current interpretation yeah genetics.
As for the Vedic text being produced by lower chaste that is hilarious since it says in the Veda that low chaste must not be allowed to learn, recite or listen to the Vedic text. In fact it says if they are caught listening to it molten lead should be poured into their ears.
ive worked with iranians and they dont look aryan to me at all. they are more arabic/semitic in appearance. the germans from bavaria and switzerland are aryan alright. in india ive read northern part are predominantly aryan the descendant of aryan conquerors from north russia
originally posted by: zinc12
a reply to: Nochzwei
The Aryans in India today(there are others elsewhere) or rather the descendants of them are among the higher caste Indians. Today anyone can learn Sanskrit it don't mean that you can trace your genealogy back to these Aryans.
Current interpretation yeah genetics.
As for the Vedic text being produced by lower chaste that is hilarious since it says in the Veda that low chaste must not be allowed to learn, recite or listen to the Vedic text. In fact it says if they are caught listening to it molten lead should be poured into their ears.
originally posted by: Harte
originally posted by: zinc12
a reply to: Harte
Only the upper chaste Brahmins, Kshatriyas and Vaishyas were considered Arya, the twice born.
The idea that lower chaste produced the Vedic text is ridiculous
So, reading comprehension problem it is.
Harte
originally posted by: zinc12
originally posted by: Harte
originally posted by: zinc12
a reply to: Harte
Only the upper chaste Brahmins, Kshatriyas and Vaishyas were considered Arya, the twice born.
The idea that lower chaste produced the Vedic text is ridiculous
So, reading comprehension problem it is.
Harte
A comprehensive explanation as usual !
As for the Vedic text being produced by lower chaste that is hilarious since it says in the Veda that low chaste must not be allowed to learn, recite or listen to the Vedic text. In fact it says if they are caught listening to it molten lead should be poured into their ears.