Which came first dinosaur or the egg

originally posted by: ssenerawa

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: ssenerawa

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: ssenerawa

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: ssenerawa

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: ssenerawa

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: ssenerawa

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: ssenerawa

originally posted by: mysterioustranger
a reply to: ssenerawa

Easy. The dinosaur. It already exists. Whereas the egg is just an egg which may or maybe not hatch.

But the dinosaur is already alive.*

*same goes for chicken

But how could it already be alive with nothing to birth it

Easy.

A non dinosaur ancestor.

Try studying evolution before you try and pick holes in it.

So a non dinosaur birth a dinosaur?

No.

A parrot made them.

So why can't a parrot make a dinosaur now

Because they don't want to.

Or because it's impossible

Or maybe it's not and parrots just got fed up with making them?

Maybe it wasn't a parrot. Maybe they were made by squirrels.

Or maybe I want two of whatever drug you're on

You've got your bearded idiot in the sky. That dude makes you think enough stupid things without the need for any extras.

what?

Having trouble reading now?

Try reading it slowly.

What bearded guy now you're assuming I'm religious, which I happen to not be so what your response now

Of course you're not.

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: ssenerawa

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: ssenerawa

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: ssenerawa

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: ssenerawa

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: ssenerawa

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: ssenerawa

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: ssenerawa

originally posted by: mysterioustranger
a reply to: ssenerawa

Easy. The dinosaur. It already exists. Whereas the egg is just an egg which may or maybe not hatch.

But the dinosaur is already alive.*

*same goes for chicken

But how could it already be alive with nothing to birth it

Easy.

A non dinosaur ancestor.

Try studying evolution before you try and pick holes in it.

So a non dinosaur birth a dinosaur?

No.

A parrot made them.

So why can't a parrot make a dinosaur now

Because they don't want to.

Or because it's impossible

Or maybe it's not and parrots just got fed up with making them?

Maybe it wasn't a parrot. Maybe they were made by squirrels.

Or maybe I want two of whatever drug you're on

You've got your bearded idiot in the sky. That dude makes you think enough stupid things without the need for any extras.

what?

Having trouble reading now?

Try reading it slowly.

What bearded guy now you're assuming I'm religious, which I happen to not be so what your response now

Of course you're not.

what religious person would deny their beliefs for a random guy on Ats?

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: ssenerawa

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: ssenerawa

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: ssenerawa

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: ssenerawa

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: ssenerawa

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: ssenerawa

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: ssenerawa

originally posted by: mysterioustranger
a reply to: ssenerawa

Easy. The dinosaur. It already exists. Whereas the egg is just an egg which may or maybe not hatch.

But the dinosaur is already alive.*

*same goes for chicken

But how could it already be alive with nothing to birth it

Easy.

A non dinosaur ancestor.

Try studying evolution before you try and pick holes in it.

So a non dinosaur birth a dinosaur?

No.

A parrot made them.

So why can't a parrot make a dinosaur now

Because they don't want to.

Or because it's impossible

Or maybe it's not and parrots just got fed up with making them?

Maybe it wasn't a parrot. Maybe they were made by squirrels.

Or maybe I want two of whatever drug you're on

You've got your bearded idiot in the sky. That dude makes you think enough stupid things without the need for any extras.

what?

Having trouble reading now?

Try reading it slowly.

What bearded guy now you're assuming I'm religious, which I happen to not be so what your response now

Of course you're not.

obviously I said I thought it took at least four animals to create a population, which religious text sais that?

although I do pray, just in case

a reply to: ssenerawa

For a start, you believe in creation. Creation needs a creator.

Do I need to explain it any further?

originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: ssenerawa

So you are already aware that this thread exists several times over and you still decided to make another one. Yeah, okay.

So are you already aware. Clearly in the OP it stated that I was fully aware that there were countless threads on this. And you still decided to re state it

originally posted by: TerryDon79
a reply to: ssenerawa

For a start, you believe in creation. Creation needs a creator.

Do I need to explain it any further?

Never said in believed anything buddy, you're sadly mistaken

a reply to: ssenerawa

Because the poster said: here is a dinosaur, alive, fully grown....and on the other hand....here is an egg-not born yet, could be dropped, cracked, eaten...so as yet it is not a dinosaur-yet-and may never be.

But that living and breathing giant creature is standing right here already live and kicking.

I agree with you though...but someone once gave me the above explanation. While its true....it provides only one answer. Something already exists....and something else that may or may never exist.

originally posted by: ssenerawa

originally posted by: Barcs
The chicken or egg thing is meant to be a philosophical debate. But the only true answer is that neither came first. They came together from a previous ancestor. Evolution is about changes in a population. Basically, there was some evolutionary advantage to having a hard external egg, rather than an internal one. Whatever it was, it helped the population breed more effectively, so after that particular mutation, the trait spread all across the species.

You will never trace it back to a single creature or a single egg and say, "aha! That's what started it all!". That is kind of a creationist mindset, looking back to a single individual or egg as the beginning of that entire genetic line with no previous ancestors or parents.

Ok, so neither the internal or external egg came first is what you're saying? And the the animals environment made it change the way it gave birth?

Yes, to the first question, both came together.

As for the 2nd, no it wasn't just the environment, it was also genetic mutations that changed a particular gene sequence during conception. A mutation occurs, the gene is expressed, then it either has a beneficial, neutral or negative affect, based on the environment. If beneficial, it spreads across the species because more of these genes are passed down. If neutral, it doesn't affect it at all, and if negative they will likely not pass down the genes at all so that negative trait disappears.

The dinosaur and the egg came from a previous ancestor and previous egg. If you go back far enough, you get to asexual reproduction that doesn't require an egg at all. Eventually sexual reproduction took over because genetic diversity is very important. At first, it was likely not an egg that received the genetic material from the other, but over time it developed into one as male and female became separate sexes and the egg led to better protection of the developing fetus.

So a non dinosaur birth a dinosaur? Why do people think a different species of animal grew into another? They were always different. A DNA sequence is never going to alter just because a creature needs it to

Genetic mutations are usually very minor. You will never have a non dinosaur give birth to a dinosaur, or a cat give birth to a dog. Those are sudden major changes, and evolution does not work that way. What you would have is the dinosaur's ancestor slowly changing over time into what we know as a dinosaur (very broad description I know). Basically it's the accumulation of numerous mutations or traits over time that change the appearance and genetic make up of a creature enough so that they cannot reproduce with the original ancestor from tens of thousands of years ago or more and deviates enough from the original to be classified as a different species.

a reply to: ssenerawa

I know you won't believe me but it was both and neither.

originally posted by: Shiloh7
a reply to: ssenerawa

New or not you have asked an interesting question.

I wonder though if the question actually starts far too late in earth's animal kingdom. I had assumed dinosaurs were the first lot of animals but there were others millions of years before them when earth's climate had a higher oxygen content. But again we face your question egg or hermaphrodite or something else?

That's what I'm saying too, As far as we know a species cannot evolve to lay an egg. It had to already been that way when it took its very first breath of air.

originally posted by: cryptic0void
a reply to: ssenerawa

I know you won't believe me but it was both and neither.

Elaborate.

The yolk in the the egg is merely yolk, that of which couldve possibly grown into anything before it hatched

a reply to: ssenerawa

The earth is a projection.

It's imagery within the mind.

Mental construct/ image within the self.

Hmmm how many other ways can I say it.

You are a manifestation of yourself within the mind(universe).

mind = you

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: ssenerawa

The earth is a projection.

It's imagery within the mind.

Mental construct/ image within the self.

Hmmm how many other ways can I say it.

You are a manifestation of yourself within the mind(universe).

mind = you

I agree . But has absolute 0 to the OP

Great question op.

But be warned. Evolutionists will never give you a straight answer.

How was the first egg laying animal born?

Did the first egg do what it was supposed to do?

What was the transitional form between live births and eggs?

They have no answers and they cant prove anything they claim.

originally posted by: secretboss
Great question op.

But be warned. Evolutionists will never give you a straight answer.

How was the first egg laying animal born?

Did the first egg do what it was supposed to do?

What was the transitional form between live births and eggs?

They have no answers and they cant prove anything they claim.

Egg came first than thr dinosaur since dinosaurs evloved from sea creatures which lay eggs. But we can cintinue this and say we'll what came first the egg or the sea creature again the egg. And we can keep going until we get to simple life forms like algae in which case it would be the algae. All it takes is a very long time and for each generation to be slightly different from there parents. This can occur through a mistake in genetics or simply adaptation both are difrent.

First there are two birds that aren't chickens, they mate, due to mutation and various other processes they produce an egg with qualities not shared by the parents. The byproduct is a chicken. These new traits are dominant traits. This chicken for various reasons is very successful at breeding passing on these new dominant traits. As the traits are dominant when said chicken breeds with the species of not quite "chickens" it's new dominant traits keep getting passed on til we have a viable species of, well chickens. The first of which came from an egg from "non" chickens.

Although due to the transitory step by step process of small changes, is actually really hard to determine when a species stops being one species and becomes another. Honestly I'm not sure when that change from variations of the same species to a new species officially occurs. But either way, egg definitely comes first with one exception, whatever creature bore the first egg came before the first egg. After that though, any creature that was evolved from a creature that bore eggs came from the eggs of the creature before it.

I think everything happened all at once, like the ultimate Orgasmic experience.

originally posted by: secretboss
Great question op.

But be warned. Evolutionists will never give you a straight answer.

How was the first egg laying animal born?

Did the first egg do what it was supposed to do?

What was the transitional form between live births and eggs?

They have no answers and they cant prove anything they claim.

Exactly live birth has to come from alive and/or with life.

The egg is a different ball game.

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: secretboss
Great question op.

But be warned. Evolutionists will never give you a straight answer.

How was the first egg laying animal born?

Did the first egg do what it was supposed to do?

What was the transitional form between live births and eggs?

They have no answers and they cant prove anything they claim.

Egg came first than thr dinosaur since dinosaurs evloved from sea creatures which lay eggs. But we can cintinue this and say we'll what came first the egg or the sea creature again the egg. And we can keep going until we get to simple life forms like algae in which case it would be the algae. All it takes is a very long time and for each generation to be slightly different from there parents. This can occur through a mistake in genetics or simply adaptation both are difrent.

I disagree.