Chicago man chokes 8-year-old girl in public bathroom

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
Only in your head... In America it is legal to complain AND call the police for any reason...

No, in reality. Business managers have stated that they would harass people complaining, instead of removing the offending male.

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
If some one sees some one shady creeping around the ladies room, they are most likely going to report it. When the officer on call arrives and he finds out the person in question isn't actually a trans person, that person is still trespassing.

Define "someone shady". If a MAN is in the ladies' facilities, he's already in th wrong. I don't care how he "identifies" himself, one way or the other. Such a man can legally, under such laws, hag out and ogle women in the restrooms and changing rooms. Such a man can take pictures when people enter stalls, and get away uncaught. Pretending this won't hapen, when it already has, shows a remarkably disingenuous attitude.

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
There is no security being added!

No; there is security being removed. That's the point you keep trying to avoid.

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
Only in your head... In America it is legal to complain AND call the police for any reason...

No, in reality. Business managers have stated that they would harass people complaining, instead of removing the offending male.

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
If some one sees some one shady creeping around the ladies room, they are most likely going to report it. When the officer on call arrives and he finds out the person in question isn't actually a trans person, that person is still trespassing.

Define "someone shady". If a MAN is in the ladies' facilities, he's already in th wrong. I don't care how he "identifies" himself, one way or the other. Such a man can legally, under such laws, hag out and ogle women in the restrooms and changing rooms. Such a man can take pictures when people enter stalls, and get away uncaught. Pretending this won't hapen, when it already has, shows a remarkably disingenuous attitude.

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
There is no security being added!

No; there is security being removed. That's the point you keep trying to avoid.

Where have businesses said they would ignore complaints of a pervert stalking a bathroom??


Some one shady would be "a man in a haphazard female costume. Legit trans people tend to have flawless make up and matching clothes.

A pervert who is pretending prob wouldn't bother to learn the newest fasion trends, nor would he be an expert at make up application. Making it look like a Halloween costume, not a life style.


I just tried to do some looking and could find no CREDIBLE source even claiming there was a high rate of pediaphila amongst gay/trans people....

There are 2 news articles that are repeated over and over, but only on totally uncredited able conservative sites that are so obviously biased and flawed, not even attempting to quote stats or studies, just making "but what if" claims...

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
Only in your head... In America it is legal to complain AND call the police for any reason...

No, in reality. Business managers have stated that they would harass people complaining, instead of removing the offending male.

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
If some one sees some one shady creeping around the ladies room, they are most likely going to report it. When the officer on call arrives and he finds out the person in question isn't actually a trans person, that person is still trespassing.

Define "someone shady". If a MAN is in the ladies' facilities, he's already in th wrong. I don't care how he "identifies" himself, one way or the other. Such a man can legally, under such laws, hag out and ogle women in the restrooms and changing rooms. Such a man can take pictures when people enter stalls, and get away uncaught. Pretending this won't hapen, when it already has, shows a remarkably disingenuous attitude.

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
There is no security being added!

No; there is security being removed. That's the point you keep trying to avoid.

Every single rape statistic bigger than 10% is commited by a friend, family member or intimate partner. The stats on random encounter rapes are nearly nil...let alone random encounters commited by a gay/trans dressed up like a woman....

a reply to: JoshuaCox

link with video

Oh, so if they don't dress well, they aren't "legit"? So, discrimination based on clothing is acceptable to you?

I stated that perverts would take advantage of these laws, not that any one group contained more, or less, perverts than any other.

More deflection.

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
a reply to: JoshuaCox

link with video

Oh, so if they don't dress well, they aren't "legit"? So, discrimination based on clothing is acceptable to you?

I stated that perverts would take advantage of these laws, not that any one group contained more, or less, perverts than any other.

More deflection.

I'm going to watch this, but I bet dollars to donuts it is horribly obvious propaganda with no actual stats to back its claims AND doesn't even actually apply to the topic...


Here goes.

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Omg...the video isn't even a documentary on rape by homosexuals/trans people, NOR proof of attacks by transexuals or perverts dressed a trans people!!!

Literally it's just some guy who approached some 8$ an hour target employee?!?!?


A conservative "sting" operation, just like the half dozen other debunked ones..aka planned parenthood. That is literally just asking if they can pee in the ladies?!?!?


And as proof it is an 8$ an hour target employee!!!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

originally posted by: eisegesis
There's only one solution,

Unsecured IP Body cameras for all!!

Mom or dad can link their cellphones to monitor the situation and set off an alarm if they feel their child is in danger. Sounds crazy, I know.

Just you wait...

Or use some bloody common sense and go to the toilet WITH your young child...but of course, making sure your child is safe cuts into valuable shopping time...

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Perverts will take advantage of a situation WITH or WITHOUT these laws, lets just not have discrimination against a minority group that has NOTHING to do with it.

originally posted by: veracity
THis is a man with evil intent, not a transgender man dressed as a women to use the bathroom, there is a BIG difference. Please know WTF your are talking about before you post nonsense

They don't have to be... I know what I am talking about as evidence has been presented in this thread proving my point, so don't tell me otherwise unless you can prove your point. All you have done is claim "he didn't do so". How the hell do you know he didn't?... A man can enter a woman's restroom and most people are not going to ask anymore because if they do they get arrested for harassment, and may even get a lawsuit against them.

You Will be Made to Care: Washington State Makes it Illegal to Ask a Man What He is Doing in a Women’s Restroom

If you live in Washington State and you’re a woman, and a man walks into a locker room and starts undressing in front of you, it is now illegal for you to ask him what he is doing there, much less ask him to leave. If you have discomfort with the situation, you have to leave the locker room quietly. The naked guy gets to stay.

The Washington State Human Rights Commission, a regulatory agency, has been empowered by the Washington State legislature to draft legally binding rules for businesses to prevent “discrimination” on the basis of “sexual orientation and gender expression[.]” The commission has released its final rule, and boy is it a doozy.

Among other things, the rule makes it illegal to ask “unwelcome personal questions about an individual’s sexual orientation, gender expression or gender identity, or transgender status.” In other words, not only can women not prevent a person with full male equipment from entering their restroom or locker room, they can’t even ask what he is doing there.
...

www.redstate.com...

People have been sued for asking, or stopping and asking for an explanation a person dressed as a man entering women's restroom because the law states they can do so. The law doesn't state they have to prove they are transgender, and that they only think they are a woman... The law allows this based on thoughts... You can't know whether a person truly believes he is a woman inside, and some men have been caught pretending to be to sexually assault minors and women.

In this thread there are several examples posted of some cases including some transgenders who have been caught sexually assaulting minors even in restrooms.

Most transgenders are heterosexual even though many do cross dress. I have looked this up on several sources.

...
Transgender People
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Cross-dressers: A person who dresses in clothes traditionally associated with persons of the “opposite” gender. (Formerly known as Transvestites) Cross-dressers are the largest subgroup of Transgender people. Most cross-dressers are heterosexual men, though a number of other men and women cross-dress as well.
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www.csuohio.edu...

That's not including again the amount of men that would use these "mandates" of Obama and his administration to go into women's restrooms and videotape, take pictures, or worse to sexually assault women.

originally posted by: veracity
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Perverts will take advantage of a situation WITH or WITHOUT these laws, lets just not have discrimination against a minority group that has NOTHING to do with it.

They will take advantage of any leeway given, so it makes sense to NOT give that leeway. No one is being discriminated against by being told to use the facilities that correlate with their parts. Women are being discriminated against by being told they have to share a facility with someone who can't figure out who they actually are.

a reply to: JoshuaCox

The video shows what I stated it shows. Can you try, for a moment, to stay on topic?? You asked for evidence of managers stating they would side with men in a ladies' room, and I provided that. Now, you want to pretend the video should have been about something else entirely?

No. Just no.

Your constant deflection and refusal to stay on point make you not worth the time to debate.

a reply to: JoshuaCox

Why do you keep repeating that same meme? That isn't what's being discussed, and I won't bother repponding to your continued deflection. On topic, or talk to someone else.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Excellent data, but all some care about is the perceived "rights" of a trans person, not the actual rights of the victims of assault, that will result from these laws.

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Excellent data, but all some care about is the perceived "rights" of a trans person, not the actual rights of the victims of assault, that will result from these laws.

What data??

The fake articles on laughing stock websites?

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

If a woman feels "discriminated" bc they have to "share a facility with someone who can't figure out who they actually are" then that is the woman's problem.

By the way...discrimination is not the correct word to use there.

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes

originally posted by: veracity
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Perverts will take advantage of a situation WITH or WITHOUT these laws, lets just not have discrimination against a minority group that has NOTHING to do with it.

They will take advantage of any leeway given, so it makes sense to NOT give that leeway. No one is being discriminated against by being told to use the facilities that correlate with their parts. Women are being discriminated against by being told they have to share a facility with someone who can't figure out who they actually are.

Better words to use instead of how you say "Women are being discrimdiscriminatedt by being told they have to share a facility with someone who can't figure out who they actually are" could be

"some women are too immature when they are being told..."
"some women are being naïve when they are being told..."
"some women believe they are too good to use the same bathrooms..."

discriminations does not fit in that sentence...in no way or form are they being "hated against". Did you mean that your women you speak of are hating against transgendered folk?

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Excellent data, but all some care about is the perceived "rights" of a trans person, not the actual rights of the victims of assault, that will result from these laws.

I would imagine if a trans Woman, pre-op let's say, went into the gents and stood pissing at a Urinal...an assulat would likely follow...but of course against the trans person.

Imagine a Friday night, half pissed hoodies coming across a trans person standing in the gents, in full female clothing?

Do you think that person is going to be walking, crawling or have to be stretchered out of that toilet?

All the talk of assault seems to be forgetting the obvious around here, the majority of attacks are against trans people, not from trans people.

originally posted by: MysterX

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Excellent data, but all some care about is the perceived "rights" of a trans person, not the actual rights of the victims of assault, that will result from these laws.

I would imagine if a trans Woman, pre-op let's say, went into the gents and stood pissing at a Urinal...an assulat would likely follow...but of course against the trans person.

Imagine a Friday night, half pissed hoodies coming across a trans person standing in the gents, in full female clothing?

Do you think that person is going to be walking, crawling or have to be stretchered out of that toilet?

All the talk of assault seems to be forgetting the obvious around here, the majority of attacks are against trans people, not from trans people.

Good point.

a reply to: MysterX

And of course you don't seem to imagine that most transgenders are heterosexual even thou many cross dress, and in their minds they are partially females, which is why they cross dress. You don't imagine the amount of men, apart from transexuals, who will use these mandates to gain access into women's restrooms to video tape, take pictures, or even assault women... of course you don't mention this. After all, the "rights" of less than 1% of the population are more important than the rights of 50% or more of the population of the U.S... right?...

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: MysterX

And of course you don't seem to imagine that most transgenders are heterosexual even thou many cross dress, and in their minds they are partially females, which is why they cross dress. You don't imagine the amount of men, apart from transexuals, who will use these mandates to gain access into women's restrooms to video tape, take pictures, or even assault women... of course you don't mention this. After all, the "rights" of less than 1% of the population are more important than the rights of 50% or more of the population of the U.S... right?...

Most Transgender men are not attracted to women...

I'm sure there are some trans lesbians, but not at all the majority.