EgyptAir flight from Paris to Cairo has vanished from Radar

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

They are. The messages have been talked about in many of the main media sites that I've been looking at. As have their "experts" and other pilots.

a reply to: Zaphod58

I'm not ingoring anything.

(see my response above)

a reply to: Zaphod58


C'mon, zaphod!

None of the MSM media are letting the ACARS messages out...only the aviation websites are (because that's the only place there's any intelligent discussion going on)!

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Really?

CNN:

There were smoke alerts near the airliner cockpit early Thursday in the minutes before it crashed, according to flight data CNN obtained Friday from an Egyptian source.
The data came through the Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System (ACARS), a data link for sending messages between planes and ground facilities. A screen grab of data has time stamps that match the approximate time the aircraft went missing.

www.cnn.com...

Telegraph:

'Smoke detected inside the aircraft cabin'
Smoke was detected inside the aircraft cabin in the final moments before it crashed, according to the Aviation Herald, a specialist site that reports on the airline industry, writes Raf Sanchez in Cairo.

It isn't clear exactly what the detected smoke means but it could indicate an explosion or a fire onboard the aircraft.

The Herald said that three independent sources passed on data from the A320's Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System (ACARS). The system shows that at 2.26am local time smoke was detected in aircraft lavatory.

A minute later another smoke sensor went off. A series of faults continued until 2.29am when the system stopped recording.

www.telegraph.co.uk...

The Guardian:

The Aviation Herald states they “received information from three independent channels”, that ACARS (Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System) received the following messages from the aircraft:

00:26Z 3044 ANTI ICE R WINDOW

00:26Z 561200 R SLIDING WINDOW SENSOR

00:26Z 2600 SMOKE LAVATORY SMOKE
00:27Z 2600 AVIONICS SMOKE
00:28Z 561100 R FIXED WINDOW SENSOR
00:29Z 2200 AUTO FLT FCU 2 FAULT
00:29Z 2700 F/CTL SEC 3 FAULT

The timestamps refer to GMT and point to the alerts being received in the minutes before the flight dropped off radar screens.

www.theguardian.com...

So these aren't MSM sites and are aviation sites? Those are just the first three I picked.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Okay, touche'...

When were those posted? In the last couple hours or so??? They weren't there earlier...they were avoiding those ACARS messages like the plague.

ETA...AVHERALD had them last night.

avherald

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

They were posted in the last 4-6 hours. And AvHerald said in that article they got them today, May 20th. They were first posted this afternoon.

I will say this though...one of the first things MH 370 did was make a 90 degree left turn...same as MS 804.

There was no rapid descent after the turn in MH 370's case, unlike MS 804, but the procedure was the same.

Now the entire MSM is trying to 'walk back' the whole terrorism theme in the MS804 incident. It didn't play out how they wanted ('they' being the media and their masters). Terrorism is bad, always....well at least not this time. How convenient.

Once it was confirmed the wreckage is likely lost in an impossibly deep part of the Med, ensuring it won't be retrieved anytime soon, it was time to put the whole terrorism theme back in the closet until next week...when they can use it to scare terrorize someone again. It wasn't working this time around, too much apathy.

You're being manipulated, folks!!

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk just because mh370 and this plane reportedly made the same manoeuvres doesn't mean the cause of crash was the same.

For instance, ACARS didn't report any smoke on mh370.

However saying that my memory recalls that the system was switched off. Zaph should be able to confirm.

I haven't gone through all the pages and the device I'm using is tiny.

Can anyone tell me if the cargo manifest has been released?

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
Now the entire MSM is trying to 'walk back' the whole terrorism theme in the MS804 incident. It didn't play out how they wanted ('they' being the media and their masters). Terrorism is bad, always....well at least not this time. How convenient.

Once it was confirmed the wreckage is likely lost in an impossibly deep part of the Med, ensuring it won't be retrieved anytime soon, it was time to put the whole terrorism theme back in the closet until next week...when they can use it to scare terrorize someone again. It wasn't working this time around, too much apathy.

You're being manipulated, folks!!

Just think that it really is not advantageous to have this confirmed as a terrorist attack as in a few days thousands and thousands of football fans will be traveling to France for the Euro's.. The impact that this situation would have on such a event is massive, I personally know a number of people with tickets and concerns are very high after this event as lets be honest Charles De Gaulle airport is not a farm strip in the sticks, it is a massive busy transit hub and if a plane can leave there with a device on board then all bets are off to the worst case scenario. I know Egypt will no doubt be running the investigation but I can see some serious pressure being put on to leave the verdict until after July 10th when the tournament is over.


RA

a reply to: slider1982

There's no way anything but a preliminary report will be released in the next year or two.

Nobody would have to "Walk back" anything if people would quit insisting that instant answers regarding airline crashes were reasonable. There is very little evidence and NO proof of anything at this point.

I have to shake my head when people jump to "Where is it? MH370 all over again!" within 24 hours of a plane not being found, or "C'mon, it has to be terrorism, look where they were flying!", or "You can tell by the data that it was ...a) bomb, b) missile or c) pilot suicide!!!"

There is a reason not to rush to judgement with little or no facts to go on. Conjecture is unavoidable, but rushing to your pet theory on what you "Know" it is just exposes how easily people can be led by their own bias.

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: corblimeyguvnor


I cant see why all airliners cant have a parachute system that deploys in an emergency situation many small planes have this now.

Cost

a reply to: corblimeyguvnor

I don't understand the human psyche at all. We value human life at certain points but definitely not more than monetary or material wealth, but yet we still cry and call a foul to disasters or events that take life. Reminds me when Libya under Mummar Gaddafi payed 2billion dollars for the Lockerbie disaster where Libya was later declared to be no involved but payed the price. Initially he offered 1 million per person than doubled it to 2 million, they didn't stop till every individual was payed 10 mill per person. Just shows that human greed is valued more than the life of the person who is lost. I doubt those relatives even remember or visit the graves of their supposed love ones.

a reply to: Mi666x

Initially he offered 1 million per person than doubled it to 2 million, they didn't stop till every individual was payed 10 mill per person.

Not that it has anything to do with the topic, but.
"They" didn't stop until the Libyan government admitted complicity. When, exactly was Libya declared not involved? By whom?

Black box has been found. Apparently Egypt still saying they think terrorism without explaining why. Maybe someone on the plane had terrorist links? They are saying could have been a small explosive device that went off causing smoke. I dont understand why if smoke alarms were going off for 3 minutes no May Day call was made?

a reply to: anxiouswens

Do you have a link for the information stating, the "Black Box" has been found.

Yes sorry a reply to: crappiekat

www.dailymail.co.uk... igators-confirm-smoke-alarms-sounding-plane-s-toilets-cabin-THREE-MINUTES-disaster-unfolded.html

Apparently their source coming from Egyptian news.

This is from Telegraph this morning and kind of ties in with what one of the experienced pilots on here as said that it looks like an explosive device caused the smoke alarms

Experts say flight data seems to point towards a bomb

Raf Sanchez in Cairo reports

To the untrained eyes, the data recorded by Flight 804's sensors is a meaningless jumble of code and technical language:

00:26Z 3044 ANTI ICE R WINDOW

00:26Z 561200 R SLIDING WINDOW SENSOR

00:26Z 2600 SMOKE LAVATORY SMOKE

00:27Z 2600 AVIONICS SMOKE

00:28Z 561100 R FIXED WINDOW SENSOR

00:29Z 2200 AUTO FLT FCU 2 FAULT

00:29Z 2700 F/CTL SEC 3 FAULT

But to an aviation professional, it tells a terrifying story of a series of cascading faults before the system went dead entirely. I spoke to a European airline pilot who helped make sense of the data from the ACARS (Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System). 

The data on its own is far from definitive but the pilot believed "an internal explosion" seemed the most likely cause, explaining both the sudden problems with the windows and the smoke in the cabin. "It looks like the right front and side windows were blown out, most probably from inside out," the pilot said.  

There is still a lot we don't know. But the data from ACARS seems to point towards a bomb.