Texas GOP Adopts Platform to Stop Abortion and End LGBT Rights

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
a reply to: yuppa

It isn't discrimination to have someone use the bathroom that fits the person's anatomy. Males one way and females another, same for all.

You state that yu wouldn't want to use a certain restroom out of fear of assault. So, what about women who have been assaulted, that don't want a biological male in their bathroom or locker room? Do their feelings matter less? There are a lot more of them.

Laws that allow such bathroom use would allow any male to claim he fit that category, to gain access, and THAT is the big issue here. A law like this enables predators.

You can claim that there are laws against them already, but there are laws against beating up the transsexual in the mens' room already, too.

So, this isn't needed. Common sense is needed. Common sense means using the bathroom that matches the plumbing. It's ot complicated, and it doesn't discriminate.

We don't get to change things to suit ideas in out heads. Surely you can see how that could be abused.

The statistics dont refelct the charge of TRANSGENDER males assaulting women in womens rooms (Biologically male but mentally female and undergoing hormone treatment) I was talking about Men. typical men not ones claiming to be transgender. Ones claiming transgender SHOULD GO WHERE THEIR APPEREANCE DICTATES. feminine transgender who looks like a woman should have no issue using a womens room.

Now a MAN in drag who is OBVIOUSLY a man should not be admitted to the womens restroom. I myself would not go into a womans restroom because i still look male.

Public showers need to go away for everyone though. Shoot when i was in school even changing with others who are biologically male was embarrassing.

Heres a thought. whats to stop a lesbian or a gay man from assaulting anyone? nothing.

The platform in texas is discriminatory,but not for the reasons you imply. Its unfair due to automatically calling transgenders automatically guilty and legislating against them as if they are a problem.

This isn't about bathrooms.

This is about blatant theocratic statism that IGNORES the Constitution of the United States.

Wasn't Texas going to secede?

How do we make that happen?

originally posted by: Gryphon66
This isn't about bathrooms.

This is about blatant theocratic statism that IGNORES the Constitution of the United States.

Wasn't Texas going to secede?

How do we make that happen?

Absolutely. It's also about overt hatred. No matter how they try and spin it, it's hate speech and a refusal to admit that the world has moved on past 1950.

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes

originally posted by: maria_stardust
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Texas has a right, as a state, to decide for themselves, as does every other state. Why the defense of totalitarian laws, from an overgrown federal government? Texas has a right, as a state, to decide for themselves, as does every other state. Why the defense of totalitarian laws, from an overgrown federal government?

Wouldn't the curbing and outright stripping of personal rights and protections be considered totalitarian? Hmmmmmm....

Rape victims have a right to use a ladies' room without fearing the biological male who decides to go in one day, claiming he "feels like" a woman.

You really, really, don't know a thing about this, do you? Other than the same discredited talking points trotted about by the GOP? Can I ask something? Why do you hate so much? Is it because you don't understand it?

Sorry, but the old, tired, "You don't know about the issue." argument isn't going to cut it, especially coupled with the "Why do you hate..." nonsense. Got anything besides that old chestnut?

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
Immorality has nothing to do with race.

The government should not be there to regulate morality

It only job should be to provide safety and a prosperous stable economy.

Two jobs the US government seems to have failed dismally at since 2001.

Forget the destruction of the middles class
Forget the devaluing of the dollar
Forget the deficit spending
Forget the traitorous trade deals with China
Forget the wars that have made the US more unsafe.
Forget the collapse of the USA border
Forget city’s that have turned into warzones


No Instead concentrate hating those gays and focusing on what gentiles are in peoples pants.

Using hot button topics to foster dissent isn't anything new. Considering the coming elections season, I expect a lot more of that.

Fostering division ... like the laws in North Carolina and Mississippi?

Like the Republican platform in Texas?

Yeah, those are pretty divisive.

originally posted by: yuppa
The statistics dont refelct the charge of TRANSGENDER males assaulting women in womens rooms (Biologically male but mentally female and undergoing hormone treatment) I was talking about Men. typical men not ones claiming to be transgender. Ones claiming transgender SHOULD GO WHERE THEIR APPEREANCE DICTATES. feminine transgender who looks like a woman should have no issue using a womens room.

Now a MAN in drag who is OBVIOUSLY a man should not be admitted to the womens restroom. I myself would not go into a womans restroom because i still look male.

Public showers need to go away for everyone though. Shoot when i was in school even changing with others who are biologically male was embarrassing.

Heres a thought. whats to stop a lesbian or a gay man from assaulting anyone? nothing.

The platform in texas is discriminatory,but not for the reasons you imply. Its unfair due to automatically calling transgenders automatically guilty and legislating against them as if they are a problem.

The point is that any male could claim to be transgendered, and gain access. Plus, a woman who has been a victim of assault doesn't care if the guy in her locker room is taking hormones or not; she feels unsafe, and threatened. Far more of those than guys worried about being beat up in a mens' room.

If someone looks female, no one would even notice, and thus, no law is needed. If one looks male, same thing. Laws that demand such access provide it to others, with bad intentions. That's the flaw. That, and the lack of concern for the very real feelings of a lot of women, who don't want any male in their restrooms and changing rooms and locker rooms. There are cases of men dressing as women to gain access to such places, already, and widespread laws allowing that would open the door to a lot of abuse.

Yes, there are laws against such abuse, but there are laws against beating up the guy who wants to be a girl, too. Making new laws that allow changes in bathroom use isn't stopping discrimination; it's adding discrimination. To me, it makes the most sense for the law to state that one uses the facilities that match their anatomy. Still, if no one noticed, no one could be charged with a crime.

I don't care for open facilities, either. It's not that difficult to hang curtains for privacy. That said, a lot of people don't care, and will change in front of one another. A man allowed into a ladies' facility could do so. I don't want that in some dressing room with my daughters. That would not go over well, no matter what the guy believed about who he was. He can think whatever he wants, but that doesn't give the right to be around actual females, in any state of undress. The pools in our area have some curtained areas, and also areas that are open. I have seen both in use. I guarantee my teens don't want someone with the opposite genitalia in their areas.

The Texas platform isn't calling anyone guilty; it's pointing out that such policies can be abused. It is those that would take advantage that are the threat. Add to that, though, any person who used the opposite facilities, in an exhibitionist fashion, would be a problem as well. Whether that would happen or not, we don't know. Considering what goes on in some parades and events, I can see it as very possible.

Edit to add - Appreciate the sensible discussion on this issue. Not a lot of that around these days!!

Funny that so many are arguing "no laws are needed" when they're defending the discriminatory laws that instigate these discussions.

Typical of the "smaller government until I want it bigger" crowd I guess.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Fostering division ... like the laws in North Carolina and Mississippi?

Like the Republican platform in Texas?

Yeah, those are pretty divisive.


Not really just for a minority of a minority. The rest of us are just getting tired of the whole special me stuff. GET over yourself.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Fostering division ... like the laws in North Carolina and Mississippi?

Like the Republican platform in Texas?

Yeah, those are pretty divisive.

Tossing around negative labels again? I am sure they appreciate your willingness to play along. Thanks for proving the point.

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Fostering division ... like the laws in North Carolina and Mississippi?

Like the Republican platform in Texas?

Yeah, those are pretty divisive.

Tossing around negative labels again? I am sure they appreciate your willingness to play along. Thanks for proving the point.

So ... it's my fault the laws in NC and MS are divisive? That the Texas GOP has encoded divisiveness into it's platform?

Wow ... I am virtually all-powerful, ain't I?

originally posted by: mikell
a reply to: Gryphon66

Fostering division ... like the laws in North Carolina and Mississippi?

Like the Republican platform in Texas?

Yeah, those are pretty divisive.


Not really just for a minority of a minority. The rest of us are just getting tired of the whole special me stuff. GET over yourself.

You don't speak for "the rest of us."

And the minority of a minority is still just as much an American citizen as you are.

/shrug

a reply to: Gryphon66

Many don't care about other Americans and their rights. They care about party or an ideology they have been perfectly trained to abide by.

If anyone does not follow that same path, they are not "American". They are enemies.

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Gryphon66

Many don't care about other Americans and their rights. They care about party or an ideology they have been perfectly trained to abide by.

If anyone does not follow that same path, they are not "American". They are enemies.

Yep. Pogo comes to mind.

I find it's getting more and more difficult not to see those folks in exactly the same way, however.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Gryphon66

Many don't care about other Americans and their rights. They care about party or an ideology they have been perfectly trained to abide by.

If anyone does not follow that same path, they are not "American". They are enemies.

Yep. Pogo comes to mind.

I find it's getting more and more difficult not to see those folks in exactly the same way, however.

They are our enemies. No doubt about it.

They lack the basic ability to understand that freedom is for everyone, not just those that agree with their twisted view of reality. They attack those that do not agree and push for authoritarian rule, based on an ideology born of ignorance and propaganda, but then bitch and complain about authoritarian rule.

It will not succeed, though.

a reply to: Gryphon66

You don't speak for "the rest of us."

And the minority of a minority is still just as much an American citizen as you are.

And whats your point with that. Do you want the division your pushing?

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Youre welcome. its nic eto actually be able to calmly post. Yeah i see what you are talking about it could be abused.

Although the risk is very very low. But and heres the but.

Most transgenders do not look like men who go into a womans bathroom. Its why this law isnt very wise. Also theres a simple way to fix this. be like europe and go unisex.

but heres what we are arguing. People who have more masculine features should go into th emens room.

but ones who look like women(and not a CD should be in the womens.

Thats the only sticking point we have.

a reply to: mikell

It's very confusing to talk to you.

I'm not pushing division; I'm reacting to it.

I'm not the topic though; please post something relevant to that or I have no reason to respond.

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Youre welcome. its nic eto actually be able to calmly post. Yeah i see what you are talking about it could be abused.

Although the risk is very very low. But and heres the but.

Most transgenders do not look like men who go into a womans bathroom. Its why this law isnt very wise. Also theres a simple way to fix this. be like europe and go unisex.

but heres what we are arguing. People who have more masculine features should go into th emens room.

but ones who look like women(and not a CD should be in the womens.

Thats the only sticking point we have.

I have been in Europe, and when I was there, things weren't all unisex. Now, it's been some years, but I have a hard time believing that's the norm all over. Plus, there is a difference in a dingle occupant facility, for whomever, and a facility for many that is open to any and all.

It isn't just transgenders that would use these laws, and that is already being seen. If this became the norm, we would see a lot more of this. On that, I have no doubt. The scummy sort will take any and every advantage they can. Look at how they use the internet. Illegally, they use it. Make it legal, and what would happen?

There are women who look somewhat masculine, who are straight, and who don't want men in their bathroom. I worked with someone who was built like a linebacker, and lived with a boyfriend, and had a child. I don't think I would want to suggest that she be told to use the mens' room! For those that plan to look like the opposite sex, it's a bit stickier (no pun or anything intended there), but I still recommend using the room that fits the anatomy. Those that don't, and no one notices, well, there won't be an issue unless they personally make one.