KPB's Friendly Chat about Jacques Vallee, "The Control Loop" and other Pseudo-science

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: olaru12

That's interesting.

And a very good question.

You may very well be a "high strangeness typhoid Mary" like so many researchers are.

Kev

I hesitate to call myself a researcher; curious, adrenaline junky might be closer to the truth.

There is an indescribable thrill in experiencing the "other"

I am having an incredible connection with Our Lady of Guadalupe as we speak. I'm not Catholic....doesn't seem to matter.

a reply to: olaru12

Hmm, most of the experiences I've had with the "other" have been thrilling in a way I try to avoid if you know what I mean I will admit though, there is a thrilling aspect to it all. I am involved lately in an experiment which has been both thrilling and frightening at times (mostly separate times but not always) but I feel is leading to personal growth.

To OP, thanks for starting this thread, I am glad to see so many posters who I admire in the same place. It doesn't happen all that often.

a reply to: olaru12

It doesn't matter.

Those Catholic apparitions are probably ALL very naughty little faeries.

It doesn't matter to them what delusion we worship.

So long as we stir up their offspring in our bodies via fear, love, worship or whatever...its all good to them.

Seeing a "UFO" has the exact same effect on our physiology....they want to catch atheists too of course.

This is why they invented UFOs...to coincide with the new wave of Atheism since the "French Enlightenment".

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Agreed, agreed and agreed. Very good points that sound very Vallee-esque. When I saw that thing that shouldn't be there sitting in the sky 20 years ago I still believed in the nuts and bolts outer space deal. It did a number on my head for awhile. I couldn't make sense of it, the way it sat there, and then the way it didn't.

Had a couple other things happen to me that only now am I remembering and realizing belong in the same camp. Hmm, things that happened in the woods as a kid. Really only saw glimpses, mostly heard the noises they made. One pretended to be some kind of a really big, big, impossibly big fish in this really small pond I used to fish. Never could explain that, maybe now I have some place to put that experience.

a reply to: wtbengineer

Of we could build a really good case for some of these patterns...It would feed back into the control loop.

People keep forgetting that WE are the "HARDWARE", so we don't need anything else to feed back into the system....

IMHO religious leaders and governments have known about or suspected this link for a very long time.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Yes, interesting... this sounds like the mechanism JV was probably thinking he'd make use of in the experiment he wrote about wanting to do. He said he had devised a test for the control loop if I remember correctly. This was a pretty long time ago that I read that, do you think he's done any field work?

originally posted by: wtbengineer
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Yes, interesting... this sounds like the mechanism JV was probably thinking he'd make use of in the experiment he wrote about wanting to do. He said he had devised a test for the control loop if I remember correctly. This was a pretty long time ago that I read that, do you think he's done any field work?

I asked Dr. Vallee about that specifically.

He did respond, but the response wasn't earth shaking.

Personally I think a more vigorous test using "shamanic principles" would be much more interesting...but that sort of test is not something that I'd want to attempt over the Internet...that would be irresponsible.

It's far too easy to hurt people with an Internet contagion so to speak, like happened with A****.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I was wondering if you had asked him about that in particular. Did he give you any idea of results or was it inconclusive? I'd like to hear more about your idea for a more vigorous test, what "shamanic principles" and how would you go about this? Might be along the lines of my current exploration although admittedly I am lacking guidance or a real direction. I'm really interested in knowing.

Who's A****?

a reply to: wtbengineer

Astr0.

My point on Astr0, is that even IF there is some super duper hidden tech out there..the hysteria which that caused for some in ATS caused the "hysterical trickster effect" lets call it (or conversion disorder whatever You like) to cause a feedback into the control system...which caused weird effects in the lives of ATS people---even if the whole Astr0 thing was mostly or all a fraud.

In fact, I consider that whole affair a successful test on someone's part to "feed back into the control system".

Do you get my point?

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Ah, Astr0, thanks. Are you referencing the black triangle thread? I didn't read much of that thread, I just figured it was a joke or hoax, and I have to admit that I am ignorant about hysteria being caused for some ATS members. I won't make you retell an old story, can I find details if I read more of his posts? Just one thing, what weird effects were caused in the lives of ATS people?

I guess I get your point about that being a successful test but without knowing all the details I may be missing something.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear
Allow me to politely disagree, as none of the symptoms are present. Honestly that sounds more like what you're doing, convincing as many people as possible of your theory.

a reply to: SargonThrall

Actually I work quite hard to NOT convince anyone.

(ask Baddogma for example)

It's only after much poking and prodding from some friends on ATS
that I'm going on this posting binge the past few months.

Your comments and disagreement are most welcome.

Kev

a reply to: wtbengineer

That's ok.

You didn't miss anything, other than some backlash from the whole maelstrom of craziness.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Sorry Kev, I just don't see how some internal bickering could be related to effects from the above discussion. Well, maybe it could, I think I've observed some strange effects from this very kind of thing, but I'd like to look into it deeper. I think I'm going to send you a PM because I'd like to discuss some things with you that might not be appropriate in the general public.

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: wtbengineer

Astr0.

In fact, I consider that whole affair a successful test on someone's part to "feed back into the control system".

Do you get my point?

Kev

If it was a test of sorts, I believe it to a be an attempt to "divide Zion" if you catch my drift.

Let's remember that ATS is first and foremost NOT mainstream by any means. Therefore the sample pool for anything is quite small. You can't change social fetishes and taboos here but you can test them through a niche control group.

For all we know, we are simply lab rats. Even if ATS's original purpose wasn't for such, the simple fact it could be used as such is worth a pause. It's not as if shadowy figures are not hip to this site because clearly both old and existing members show otherwise.

We did after all have a member (or two) who's life's career was psychological mind war for the U.S. Military.

a reply to: Rosinitiate

Yes indeed.

We are definitely lab rats here.

I personally don't believe that ATS staff are involved.

I know who you are referencing.. and I think that those few are relatively "retired" these days.

But as you say, we are a one-stop-shop of crazy here.

Kev

a reply to: wtbengineer

Magical Conversion Disorder

Is what I was basically referring to.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Thanks, that's interesting. Have responded on PM, sorry, kind of long.

The disclosure we need won't come from any government but from the control loop maintenance crew.

Cool thread.

a reply to: Peeple

Yup.

And we are part of that crew.

Kev