"If God existed, how could he let such horrible things happen to innocent people?"

a reply to: sekerofknowlege To 1 its basically like the CREATOR of ALL* knows your ETERNAL SOULS will Graduate from this aggressive level and Ascend into ANU form later...
That NU form which may be closer to your higher self due to higher conscious awareness resonation frequency compatibility for linking with the higher self, may be less susceptible to many of the ills and weaknesses associated with the previous form and realms inhabited by you...
So in some ways the CREATOR may understand us more then we ourselves do. And may even Create GOD SENDS who may still assist in the development of other Creations or more advanced Creations to help along the less advancing that may find themselves in moments of suffering and or detachment from the WHOLE*. Some of these assistances may produce within reality settings as mental-social and physical Healths...
So to 1 considering the potential of the amount of Created beings and GOD SENDS and their ANGELS, maybe they are helping. Even if just being there in forms of help during the life and death transition phases. Helping the minds of doctors to increase their intelligence and or guiding the Soul that fell ill here after making exposure to these temp reality settings...

I guess you got to have faith

LOVE LIGHT ETERNIA*******

originally posted by: Joecanada11
a reply to: burgerbuddy

Whose biz? And reputations ? Those that discriminate ? Good I'm glad. Maybe they'll learn their lesson.

How athiest of you.

Hitchens would be proud, if he wasn't in hell, wait, or is it dawkins?

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: burgerbuddy

Btw, Job got it all back and more.

Really? If your wife(s) and children were all brutally killed, could they be replaced? THINK MAN!

Job would not end up turning away from God, was the bet.

You don't know that simple biblical fact? Makes me doubt any knowledge you claim to have about the bible.

But, what was the wager? No wager, no loss!

The fact that you didn't know that Satan had to ask God's permission, makes me think that you actually know very little of the Bible, especially, your Old Testament.

Dude, we be talkin bout God, not zeus or anything you can wrap your head around.

What does asking permission have to do with anything?

You have no idea what you are talking about, do you.

a reply to: burgerbuddy

What does asking permission have to do with anything?

You said that angels have free will.

Angels have free will also. Hence Lucifer and the war.

I asked for a biblical citation and gave you one of my own. Why is this so hard for you follow?

Dude, we be talkin bout God, not zeus or anything you can wrap your head around.

A "God" that makes wagers with the Devil, allows torture to happen to a good man and the murder of his wife(s) and children, in order to prove a point!

Do you remember the title of this thread? "If God existed, how could he let such horrible things happen to innocent people?"

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: tkwasny
Have you seen the violence when 2 massive galaxies collide over billions of years? Trillions of entire races mercilessly torn apart, burned and crushed. Yet we whine when a couple million die on Earth in a war caused by ourselves.

I've often wondered how many "intelligent" species are wiped out by cosmic events, vs. by their own hands. But that's a subject for another thread...


More related to this thread, every religion's concept of God (or what they call Him) bothers me immensely. They all say that God knows everything in advance, but also say that we have free-will. It can't be both ways. At least, not from God's perspective.

It is one of my beliefs that one reason why the Universe is chaos structured with detachment is so omniscience can also achieve ignorance and the not knowing of something.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: burgerbuddy

What does asking permission have to do with anything?

You said that angels have free will.

Angels have free will also. Hence Lucifer and the war.

I asked for a biblical citation and gave you one of my own. Why is this so hard for you follow?

Dude, we be talkin bout God, not zeus or anything you can wrap your head around.

A "God" that makes wagers with the Devil, allows torture to happen to a good man and the murder of his wife(s) and children, in order to prove a point!

Do you remember the title of this thread? "If God existed, how could he let such horrible things happen to innocent people?"

So asking is not free will?

Revelation 12:7

like I said, God. Not something you think should be doing YOUR will.

I posted about that in my 1st post, I think.

I suppose one could blame God for anything, including their own stupidity.

Here is a vid I found with all the refs you wanted in 10 mins.

Watch it if you dare.

lol! It's ok.

a reply to: burgerbuddy

So asking is not free will?

No, it isn't. Needing permission is not "free will". Did Adam and Eve ask permission to eat the forbidden fruit?

Revelation 12:7

Like I said, "the war in heaven" is a Christian fairy tale/invention. There's nothing to indicate such a thing in the Old Testament, and it isn't encompassed in Jewish tradition. Satan is God's servant, period. The rest is Christian mythology.

As far as your video, couldn't stomach it till the end, but I've heard it all before. It's apologetic projection, twisting and wishing to make things so. There's nothing in the Old Testament, no Jewish tradition of some nemesis of "God's", waging some heavenly war and has to be dealt with at the end of time.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: burgerbuddy

So asking is not free will?

No, it isn't. Needing permission is not "free will". Did Adam and Eve ask permission to eat the forbidden fruit?

Revelation 12:7

Like I said, "the war in heaven" is a Christian fairy tale/invention. There's nothing to indicate such a thing in the Old Testament, and it isn't encompassed in Jewish tradition. Satan is God's servant, period. The rest is Christian mythology.

As far as your video, couldn't stomach it till the end, but I've heard it all before. It's apologetic projection, twisting and wishing to make things so. There's nothing in the Old Testament, no Jewish tradition of some nemesis of "God's" that waged some heavenly war and has to be dealt with at the end of time.

I guess we are at an impasse.

But why don't you ask a Rabbi instead of a christian, about these things? Oy!

Here;

Jewish Heritage Scripture Studies 10.

WHY DOES GOD ALLOW SUFFERING? In Yiddish we have many ways to express sorrow. We have words like tzuris, oy vey, oy vey is mir, oy gevalt, oy gottenyu, and even just a plain oy. Have you ever stopped to think of why we have so many sayings to express our grief? Maybe it’s because we have had so many problems. Some problems have been dumped on us by people who have treated us like chopped liver.

Some problems we have brought upon ourselves. And some problems seem to have no explanation at all. Have you ever wondered why an all powerful and loving God allows problems, hurricanes, sickness, wars, and the death of innocent children? A survey taken some time ago showed that this is the number one religious question among college and university students. As we look at the big picture we will find out why. To find the real cause of suffering we must look in the book of Job, found in the Hebrew Scriptures.

Many scholars believe that Moses wrote the book of Job. 1. What do the scriptures tell us about this man Job?

www.jewishheritage.net...

a reply to: burgerbuddy

But why don't you ask a Rabbi instead of a christian

Hey, it's not my thread. I've only given my 2 cents. I don't believe in the biblical God.

From your citation:

Have you ever wondered why an all powerful and loving God allows problems, hurricanes, sickness, wars, and the death of innocent children? A survey taken some time ago showed that this is the number one religious question among college and university students. As we look at the big picture we will find out why. To find the real cause of suffering we must look in the book of Job, found in the Hebrew Scriptures.

HA! And, what does the Book of Job tell us? It tells us that God is capricious and makes wagers with the Devil over whether or not good men will continue to be good men, by inflicting suffering, on purpose, for fun and games!

That's because he/god/it is not.