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Balaam's Fourth Oracle, the War Scroll and the sons of Seth
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a reply to: Octagra
I will try to do as you have requested. Apparently you have no Christian bible at hand so here are some references.
John = once -- Acts = twice -- Romans = once -- Matthew = four -- Mark = six -- Luke = six -- 1 and 2 Corinthians = 5 --
1 and 2 Thessalonians = two -- 1 Timothy = two -- Revelation = seven. Total 36 times according to the KJV.
Now don't be upset and argue that most of these men were not Jewish and some did not author their credited work. That you will have to produce yourself. Did not these men practice nationalized rabbinic Judaism and were they not Jews?
The following bibles agree ASV, Darby, DRB, ESV, GW, ISV, JPS, KJV -- All agree that in i Chronicles 21:1 it is written -----------------------
1Chronicles_21:1 And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.
To your embarrassment I will not hold you to recant. Just tell Jesus and that will be enough. Quit listening to the wolves in cheap clothing.
You don't have a clue what Satan represents in Judaism. If you can produce one Jewish writing that makes Satan the enemy of God I will recant. And I mean Satan. Not another name that people think refers to Satan, but Ha Satan of the book of Job.
I will try to do as you have requested. Apparently you have no Christian bible at hand so here are some references.
John = once -- Acts = twice -- Romans = once -- Matthew = four -- Mark = six -- Luke = six -- 1 and 2 Corinthians = 5 --
1 and 2 Thessalonians = two -- 1 Timothy = two -- Revelation = seven. Total 36 times according to the KJV.
Now don't be upset and argue that most of these men were not Jewish and some did not author their credited work. That you will have to produce yourself. Did not these men practice nationalized rabbinic Judaism and were they not Jews?
The following bibles agree ASV, Darby, DRB, ESV, GW, ISV, JPS, KJV -- All agree that in i Chronicles 21:1 it is written -----------------------
1Chronicles_21:1 And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.
To your embarrassment I will not hold you to recant. Just tell Jesus and that will be enough. Quit listening to the wolves in cheap clothing.
a reply to: CapstonePendulum
When referencing Moabites you must also consider the Ammonites as being the two nations that came from the daughters of Lot. Both were involved in open warfare against the Hebrews as they entered the promised land. The reason that this prophecy specifically targets Moabites is that as the result of their not helping their Hebrew brothers they were cursed as to never have a place in the bundle of life (afterlife). This curse was to last even as this prophecy was spoken. Some traditions say that the curse was only for ten generations and others say the curse was to last forever.
Even though the Moabites were Hebrew brothers from Abraham's nephew (Lot) they were singled out with the same curse as with a harsher penalty then of the tribes of Seth. All tribes of the Adamic seed came from the loins of Seth and were found in Noah. The tribes of Enos, Cainan, Mahalaleel, Jaered, Methuselah, and Lamech all perished before or in the flood. All of the tribes of the world after the flood were found as the seeds of Noah. From that time till now there are nothing but Sethites left in this world outside of the tribes of the Hebrews.
Oral Torah then says that the house of Jacob is under a a different covenant than that of the Sethites and this prophecy will crush all of the princes that were from the seeds of Moabites and Ammonites and subdue all other nations in the great war of Gog and Magog.
So the question is who are the Moabite Sethites? They are the Sethite Gentiles and Hebrew brothers called Moabites of this earth that come against Israel in the war of Gog and Magog.
But who were the Moabite Sethians? Anyone?
When referencing Moabites you must also consider the Ammonites as being the two nations that came from the daughters of Lot. Both were involved in open warfare against the Hebrews as they entered the promised land. The reason that this prophecy specifically targets Moabites is that as the result of their not helping their Hebrew brothers they were cursed as to never have a place in the bundle of life (afterlife). This curse was to last even as this prophecy was spoken. Some traditions say that the curse was only for ten generations and others say the curse was to last forever.
Even though the Moabites were Hebrew brothers from Abraham's nephew (Lot) they were singled out with the same curse as with a harsher penalty then of the tribes of Seth. All tribes of the Adamic seed came from the loins of Seth and were found in Noah. The tribes of Enos, Cainan, Mahalaleel, Jaered, Methuselah, and Lamech all perished before or in the flood. All of the tribes of the world after the flood were found as the seeds of Noah. From that time till now there are nothing but Sethites left in this world outside of the tribes of the Hebrews.
Oral Torah then says that the house of Jacob is under a a different covenant than that of the Sethites and this prophecy will crush all of the princes that were from the seeds of Moabites and Ammonites and subdue all other nations in the great war of Gog and Magog.
So the question is who are the Moabite Sethites? They are the Sethite Gentiles and Hebrew brothers called Moabites of this earth that come against Israel in the war of Gog and Magog.
One, the term Sethite does not exist in the Bible.
two, All but 8 of them were killed off in the flood.
two, All but 8 of them were killed off in the flood.
a reply to: ChesterJohn
Yes I agree. A Moabite is actually the seed of Adam or counted as the seed of the first procreation of Seth. Don't mean to be so complicated but that is what humans do. They make everything out to be so dag blamed complicated.
One, the term Sethite does not exist in the Bible. two, All but 8 of them were killed off in the flood.
Yes I agree. A Moabite is actually the seed of Adam or counted as the seed of the first procreation of Seth. Don't mean to be so complicated but that is what humans do. They make everything out to be so dag blamed complicated.
originally posted by: Seede
a reply to: ChesterJohn
One, the term Sethite does not exist in the Bible. two, All but 8 of them were killed off in the flood.
Yes I agree. A Moabite is actually the seed of Adam or counted as the seed of the first procreation of Seth. Don't mean to be so complicated but that is what humans do. They make everything out to be so dag blamed complicated.
How can you agree when he is wrong???
Shethites does appear in the bible.
originally posted by: TefarimCanin
originally posted by: Seede
a reply to: ChesterJohn
One, the term Sethite does not exist in the Bible. two, All but 8 of them were killed off in the flood.
Yes I agree. A Moabite is actually the seed of Adam or counted as the seed of the first procreation of Seth. Don't mean to be so complicated but that is what humans do. They make everything out to be so dag blamed complicated.
How can you agree when he is wrong???
He claims Shethites does not appear in the bible.
Shethites does appear in the bible.
So you are agreeing in error. And taking the mythology as historical. Humans don't all descend from Noah.
Rephaim existed after the flood and are descendants of the Nephilim.
So who on the Ark was a Nephilim?
edit on 12-5-2016 by TefarimCanin because: (no reason given)
a reply to: TefarimCanin
The word Shethites is not in my library of bibles. You may have a bible that this word is printed but not to my knowledge.
In my second above post I explained from a rabbinical point of view what the OP asked. What Chester was saying is that the tribes of the Adamic seed were all procreated by Seth and all perished in the flood of Noah except eight. From that point on all living people were from the seeds of Seth.
Now as far as the giants are concerned, there were the antediluvian Great Giants who were the offspring of fallen angels. In time (within 800 years or so) these Great Giants bred another race called Nephillym and in time then bred into a third race called Eliouds. These were all exterminated in the flood of Noah along with the Adamic seeds of Seth.
What you are now considering to be the antediluvian Great Giants (Rephaim) after the flood are not as you imagine. These post flood giants are of human development from the Ark of Noah. It is now believed by some that Noah was one of these giants himself and reached about 200 feet in height. The antediluvian Great Giants were as tall as 400 feet and more.
You wrote "Rephaim existed after the flood and are descendants of the Nephilim."
My answer is that the Raphaim are not the second race called Nephillym which came from angelic breeding
To complete my thought, we must understand that the antediluvian angelic breed were not human (Adamic) and that most translators of the older bibles had no thoughts of Enoch or his books.
My understanding may be different than your understanding, but back to Chester's post--- I agree with him completely.
How can you agree when he is wrong??? He claims Shethites does not appear in the bible. Shethites does appear in the bible. So you are agreeing in error. And taking the mythology as historical. Humans don't all descend from Noah. Rephaim existed after the flood and are descendants of the Nephilim. So who on the Ark was a Nephilim?
The word Shethites is not in my library of bibles. You may have a bible that this word is printed but not to my knowledge.
In my second above post I explained from a rabbinical point of view what the OP asked. What Chester was saying is that the tribes of the Adamic seed were all procreated by Seth and all perished in the flood of Noah except eight. From that point on all living people were from the seeds of Seth.
Now as far as the giants are concerned, there were the antediluvian Great Giants who were the offspring of fallen angels. In time (within 800 years or so) these Great Giants bred another race called Nephillym and in time then bred into a third race called Eliouds. These were all exterminated in the flood of Noah along with the Adamic seeds of Seth.
What you are now considering to be the antediluvian Great Giants (Rephaim) after the flood are not as you imagine. These post flood giants are of human development from the Ark of Noah. It is now believed by some that Noah was one of these giants himself and reached about 200 feet in height. The antediluvian Great Giants were as tall as 400 feet and more.
You wrote "Rephaim existed after the flood and are descendants of the Nephilim."
My answer is that the Raphaim are not the second race called Nephillym which came from angelic breeding
To complete my thought, we must understand that the antediluvian angelic breed were not human (Adamic) and that most translators of the older bibles had no thoughts of Enoch or his books.
My understanding may be different than your understanding, but back to Chester's post--- I agree with him completely.
edit on 12-5-2016 by Seede because: (no reason given)
a reply to: Seede
And 200 feet tall people were the reason God sent the flood, to wipe them out.
Noah was chosen specifically for his racial purity. Righteousness had nothing to do with it unless you equate genetics with righteousness.
In the Dead Sea Scrolls Lamech thinks his wife was raped by a watcher and seeks out Enoch on Mt. Moriah to discover the truth. Enoch assures him he is his son and the new father of mankind. He was born glowing.
And 200 feet tall people were the reason God sent the flood, to wipe them out.
Noah was chosen specifically for his racial purity. Righteousness had nothing to do with it unless you equate genetics with righteousness.
In the Dead Sea Scrolls Lamech thinks his wife was raped by a watcher and seeks out Enoch on Mt. Moriah to discover the truth. Enoch assures him he is his son and the new father of mankind. He was born glowing.
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a reply to: TefarimCanin
You may be right in that thinking as there is nothing in the Enochian or biblical accounts that say otherwise. There is also a tradition, which escapes my memory, as to that of Hams wife who had intercourse with an angelic entity prior to the flood. The gestation period of the antediluvian people were thought to be twice that of post flood Adamics. This was confirmed in that the pre flood world had only one equinox. But in this case we are not looking at selected occurrences of gigantism. Here we are looking at three complete subhuman races of genetic manipulation. Nevertheless you could be absolutely correct.
There is a certified study ongoing as to the time accounts of Noah. There is much evidence as to whether Noah's time line was understood wrong and should have been on a one equinox period instead of two equinox periods. This has nothing to do with translation but only with interpretation of translation. If this is to be corrected then the ramifications of the flood could be that Noah and Gilgamesh are indeed the same flood.
Texta reply to: Seede Actually gigantism was reactivated by incest between Ham's son and wife creating Nimrod. Science has linked gigantism and incest. Ham's wife had the gene.
You may be right in that thinking as there is nothing in the Enochian or biblical accounts that say otherwise. There is also a tradition, which escapes my memory, as to that of Hams wife who had intercourse with an angelic entity prior to the flood. The gestation period of the antediluvian people were thought to be twice that of post flood Adamics. This was confirmed in that the pre flood world had only one equinox. But in this case we are not looking at selected occurrences of gigantism. Here we are looking at three complete subhuman races of genetic manipulation. Nevertheless you could be absolutely correct.
There is a certified study ongoing as to the time accounts of Noah. There is much evidence as to whether Noah's time line was understood wrong and should have been on a one equinox period instead of two equinox periods. This has nothing to do with translation but only with interpretation of translation. If this is to be corrected then the ramifications of the flood could be that Noah and Gilgamesh are indeed the same flood.
a reply to: TefarimCanin
I have done a search and cannot find the word Shethites in any scriptures of the bibles I have. Please give your source.
a reply to: Seede And Shethites appears in the Shiloh prophecy.
I have done a search and cannot find the word Shethites in any scriptures of the bibles I have. Please give your source.
a reply to: TefarimCanin
That also could be correct. What is the truth and what is the true god that I have delusion in not accepting? To make a statement such as you have made requires you to have the knowledge that you say I have not. Please share this enlightenment and deliver me from the darkness that engulfs me.
a reply to: Seede It appears your fetish with believing the bible and your delusion that you understand it has blinded you to the truth and sealed you to a false god. Error.
That also could be correct. What is the truth and what is the true god that I have delusion in not accepting? To make a statement such as you have made requires you to have the knowledge that you say I have not. Please share this enlightenment and deliver me from the darkness that engulfs me.
a reply to: Seede
Some things can't be taught and must first be sought. You seek for the bible to be true.
I seek out the truth OF the bible. Big difference. I have been self educating myself on ancient religions for years and have stockpiled enough information to know that the bible is not meant to be read as a real history of the ancient mid-east.
It is the collected mythology and religions of the ancient mid-east. Fables.
But if you have the right background info then you can actually understand its message.
It beats being a dupe.
Some things can't be taught and must first be sought. You seek for the bible to be true.
I seek out the truth OF the bible. Big difference. I have been self educating myself on ancient religions for years and have stockpiled enough information to know that the bible is not meant to be read as a real history of the ancient mid-east.
It is the collected mythology and religions of the ancient mid-east. Fables.
But if you have the right background info then you can actually understand its message.
It beats being a dupe.
a reply to: Seede
It is in the OP dude.
The War Scroll quotes it verbatim also with sons of Sheth instead of Shethites. Book of Numbers 24:17...and all the territory of all the Shethites.
It is even in the KJV and the Good News translation, the CEV, NRSV, and NIV.
And the Dead Sea Scrolls, Septuagint and Masoretic Tanakh. Probably the Vulgate too.
What "library" or Bible are you using?
Because I wonder how the OP can give the location of said passage and you can claim not to be able to find what is in every version I tried on a biblical search engine. Every version had sons, children of Sheth or Shethites.
And how could a Christian not know about the Shiloh prophecy but be arrogant in ignorance?
Shiloh prophecy is in Genesis and says the scepter shall not depart from Judah.
Balaam's oracle seems like it is built on the Shiloh prophecy. I didn't want to confuse you.
When you do become Wise by the Baptism of the Holy Spirit you will not need others to think your smart for satisfaction. You can just talk and out comes Wisdom. Everything just keeps getting better the more you learn about other religions and philosophies.
Eventually you will be able to draw a line connecting every religion of the ancient world and see how myths were far reaching and evolving but all teach the same lesson or combined elements of the others from Hindu to Islam from Ethiopian Cush to Indian Cush to Babylon, Egypt and Canaan.
Same pretty lady in different outfits that is only awesome if you can know what is underneath. On the surface she has no personality but get her away from her annoying friends she is a blazing star of wisdom.
The star and the scepter are the Aaronic and Davidian lines. Priest and king.
It is in the OP dude.
The War Scroll quotes it verbatim also with sons of Sheth instead of Shethites. Book of Numbers 24:17...and all the territory of all the Shethites.
It is even in the KJV and the Good News translation, the CEV, NRSV, and NIV.
And the Dead Sea Scrolls, Septuagint and Masoretic Tanakh. Probably the Vulgate too.
What "library" or Bible are you using?
Because I wonder how the OP can give the location of said passage and you can claim not to be able to find what is in every version I tried on a biblical search engine. Every version had sons, children of Sheth or Shethites.
And how could a Christian not know about the Shiloh prophecy but be arrogant in ignorance?
Shiloh prophecy is in Genesis and says the scepter shall not depart from Judah.
Balaam's oracle seems like it is built on the Shiloh prophecy. I didn't want to confuse you.
When you do become Wise by the Baptism of the Holy Spirit you will not need others to think your smart for satisfaction. You can just talk and out comes Wisdom. Everything just keeps getting better the more you learn about other religions and philosophies.
Eventually you will be able to draw a line connecting every religion of the ancient world and see how myths were far reaching and evolving but all teach the same lesson or combined elements of the others from Hindu to Islam from Ethiopian Cush to Indian Cush to Babylon, Egypt and Canaan.
Same pretty lady in different outfits that is only awesome if you can know what is underneath. On the surface she has no personality but get her away from her annoying friends she is a blazing star of wisdom.
The star and the scepter are the Aaronic and Davidian lines. Priest and king.
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a reply to: TefarimCanin
You are quite upset. Did not the Christ Jesus tell us that Holy Spirit would come to replace Him and teach all truth? If you had the Holy Spirit you should be able to teach me instead of beating me up. If the bible cannot be true then you can seek no truth from it. I cannot rely on self education. I rely upon the Holy Spirit for truth and not a self grandiose creature.
a reply to: Seede Some things can't be taught and must first be sought. You seek for the bible to be true. I seek out the truth OF the bible. Big difference. I have been self educating myself on ancient religions for years and have stockpiled enough information to know that the bible is not meant to be read as a real history of the ancient mid-east. It is the collected mythology and religions of the ancient mid-east. Fables. But if you have the right background info then you can actually understand its message. It beats being a dupe.
You are quite upset. Did not the Christ Jesus tell us that Holy Spirit would come to replace Him and teach all truth? If you had the Holy Spirit you should be able to teach me instead of beating me up. If the bible cannot be true then you can seek no truth from it. I cannot rely on self education. I rely upon the Holy Spirit for truth and not a self grandiose creature.
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