TTip leak. Greenpeace releases documents on Monday.

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For the first time lies a large part of the negotiating documents of FTA TTIP on the street. The leaked information shows that America cedes miles away from Europe, especially when it comes to our food.

TTip leak. Greenpeace releases documents on Monday.

German source

In the last few years negotiations on the trade agreement between the US and EU have taken place behind closed doors in secrecy.
Lots of rumors about TTIP have been resonating among the public, the leak seems to proof that the fear among millions of Europeans about this deal is justified.

The documents show that the US puts pressure on the EU to implement far reaching measures.
The documents are said to show that Washington threatens to block the export of European cars to the US if the EU does not open its borders for american agricultural products.
The US also opens the attack on Europe's food laws which protects the EU citizen against GMO and treated meat with hormones.
The US wants the EU to destroy the protection laws so they can export their poison on the european market.
Also their is a disagreement on ISDS (Investor-state dispute settlement).
The EU want's a public institute where arbitration cases are settled, the US is opposed to this, they do not want it.

My opinion, it is my hope that the release of the documents will lead to the end of the negotiations and that there will be no such deal between the EU and the US.
I very much like my privacy, healthy food, clean environment, care for animals.
While trade certainly is an important part of our society and our prosperity, it should not be the case that businesses become more important and powerful than our health and environment or national laws and justice.

a reply to: earthling42

I'm amazed that every signatory government says it will be better for them.

How could it.

a reply to: chr0naut
Is trade a zero sum game?

a reply to: chr0naut

Well, i can imagine a huge benefit if markets have shared standards, this would certainly be beneficial.

GMO's are "poison." OK. Thanks. That's all I need to now. So much for objective reporting. Just another agenda-laced tirade.

a reply to: schuyler

Well, that is cutting corners, products like roundup are poison.

a reply to: schuyler

I think the best way to go about the GMO business is to have anyone who has stake in the GMO business monitored for 5-10-15-20 years while assuring 50% of their meals are GMO.

a reply to: earthling42

Well, that is cutting corners, products like roundup are poison.

Well. Yes, yes they are. So are insecticides.
You would have a hard time finding anyone who says otherwise.

GM crops? That's sort of different.

Foreign corporations demanding that sovereign countries drop their food and environmental laws so that said foreign corporations can step in to monopolize trade deals ?

Colour me unsurprised.




"Hey you over there. I want to sell you my pink rabbits but you have a law against dipping live rabbits in Red 2G dye, so I can't sell you my wares. How dare you and who the hell do you think you are ?!"

a reply to: CranialSponge

Colour me unsurprised.

You spelled that wrong. Hopefully the deal will make that clear.

Color me skeptical.

a reply to: Phage

Your humour button is malfunctioning... you should get that checked at your local neighbourhood pharmacy centre.

a reply to: CranialSponge

Argh.
Too many letters!

At least you're not Welsh.

These trade deals are a threat to national sovereignty and should be avoided.

a reply to: onequestion
Down with international trade and the rules by which it is engaged in!

a reply to: earthling42

Hopefully the deal fails
It will be a win for the average European and American Citizen

The only ones that benefit from these trade pacts are Corporate Globalists.
They need to be thrown out of DC

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: chr0naut
Is trade a zero sum game?

You can't sell stuff nobody wants to buy.

Nobody will buy your stuff if they've already got it from someone else.

Perhaps it can be reduced to an equation?

a reply to: ImaFungi

in the GMO business monitored for 5-10-15-20 years while assuring 50% of their meals are GMO.

Well, in North America, that would cover quite a few people who have been doing so, for at least 10 years anyhow. And to a lesser extend, 20 years.

a reply to: chr0naut

You can't sell stuff nobody wants to buy.

Indeed, which would make the claim about GM crops somewhat absurd.

Nobody will buy your stuff if they've already got it from someone else.

Unless you can provide it at a lower price, of course.

Perhaps it can be reduced to an equation?

There's a lot of them.

originally posted by: earthling42
a reply to: chr0naut

Well, i can imagine a huge benefit if markets have shared standards, this would certainly be beneficial.

The markets have existed for centuries and standards of trade are already well established.

Throwing-out the evolved and functional standards, and going with something new is more likely to cause instability.

a reply to: chr0naut

Throwing-out the evolved and functional standards, and going with something new is more likely to cause instability.

Old, good. New, bad.

Just what do you think is being "thrown out?" Why do you think that?