Extraterrestrials, gods and daemons - A clairvoyant investigation.

a reply to: Archivalist

ATS member Vlawde's thread here on ATS Found a story about crashed UFO debris

Plenty of links including some to the Russian investigation.

originally posted by: Whatsthisthen
a reply to: bwillie

Sounds like we are on essentially on the same page. The "new age" ideas screwed a lot of things up to the point now where the waters are muddy. What ATS calls disinformation campaigns I spoke. So it is difficult.

One can fight back, and people do as individuals. I have only ever met one who thinks like I do and that the victims are important enough to try and do something, to throw a spanner in the works one might say. There are undoubtedly others.

As far as benevolent "others" are concerned. I've not met any that would be called benevolent from the usual human centric point of view. They see things from their own centric view. Yet there is room to co-operatively collaborate on certain things.

I get the feeling though, whatever the "greys" are really, that subject pisses off more then just us humans.

Also the "people" who built the orb UFO in the Dalnegirsk incident don't care for us yet they like Nature Beings. I met one long ago who studies certain Elemental Beings. We get on because of a mutual interest, yet I never thought of her as other than another human who could see into uncommon places. She never let on that she was of the people who built the Dalnegirsk orb UFO. Funny how that happens.

I still wonder what is really going on and just middle ghrough as best I can.

I fight back as standard reaction these days. I was...er uh... lets say borderline possessed. I realized that they wanted me to be soo scared and confused that I would give up my free will and let them have complete control over my body.
I didn't like that route. Cuz what's mine is mine!
They already had some control over my body between waking up and sleeping.
...example, have a dream I was banging my head against my stereo. Would wake up banging my head against my stereo. With the 5 voices telling me "We can do this to you when ever we want". Granted they did much worse things than that.

So I conversely became fearless as I click from the beginnings of being afraid to wrathful instantly at this point. (I didn't know this is a line of teaching in the Bon tradition until many years later). Glad I came up with it on my own.
When I see it happening to others my "righteous indignation" clicks on and I will throw down with most powers to help others. No matter what they are.

How can you not tell that she was something other than human? That's the first thing I notice. Especially when you only see them via the third eye or mentally. Or was she a flat out real(ish) person you ran into while walking or something?
I had never heard of the Dalnegirsk incident so I read 3 or 4 sources on it. All seemed to say different things. Which is par for the course with Ufo stuff. I've paid attention to the different materials that have been recovered over the years. Bismuth and zinc seem to be among them just about every time. Generally layered down at the micron level.
Due to the materials changing properties with heat, this brings me new hope that alchemy is actually real and worthwhile.

a reply to: bwillie

I fight back as standard reaction these days. I was...er uh... lets say borderline possessed. I realized that they wanted me to be soo scared and confused that I would give up my free will and let them have complete control over my body.
I didn't like that route. Cuz what's mine is mine!
They already had some control over my body between waking up and sleeping.
...example, have a dream I was banging my head against my stereo. Would wake up banging my head against my stereo. With the 5 voices telling me "We can do this to you when ever we want". Granted they did much worse things than that.

So I conversely became fearless as I click from the beginnings of being afraid to wrathful instantly at this point. (I didn't know this is a line of teaching in the Bon tradition until many years later). Glad I came up with it on my own.
When I see it happening to others my "righteous indignation" clicks on and I will throw down with most powers to help others. No matter what they are.

Similar thing for me, going to sleep wishing for non-existance while fighting until you fall asleep. Then one night someone said "would you like to learn how to destroy your enemies?"

"Yep" and never looked back though it is still not easy. One eye in each world is normal now.

I keep to myself mostly humanwise and fight alone, and have always thought I was alone.

"Rightous indignatiin" - I know it very well. So it is nice to know others like yourself are out there too Bwillie.

How can you not tell that she was something other than human? That's the first thing I notice. Especially when you only see them via the third eye or mentally. Or was she a flat out real(ish) person you ran into while walking or something?

I try not to define perception in conventional ways, one can perceive with the whole body. For example, Taste is a good one to identify ccurately. Everyone tastes different.

Defined presences is how I would describe it, I even get hugs from the girls and some very odd hugs from non-human. I like hugs.

How would I not know? Well, I very rarely ask questions.

Every "girl" needs to have her secrets, human or otherwise. I think everyone has something in their past or a history they may not want to reveal. In the young lady's case her history would have triggered my prejudices and soured our relationship. Anyone who cares about Nature is okay in my books, so I put my feelings aside.

I had never heard of the Dalnegirsk incident so I read 3 or 4 sources on it. All seemed to say different things. Which is par for the course with Ufo stuff. I've paid attention to the different materials that have been recovered over the years. Bismuth and zinc seem to be among them just about every time. Generally layered down at the micron level.
Due to the materials changing properties with heat, this brings me new hope that alchemy is actually real and worthwhile.

The materials are interesting. I've seen some photos here and there and consciousnesses occasionally step forward usually announced by "I am here". Then it is a matter of getting to know each other. I rarely ask questions and they simply watch my thoughts occasionally pointing out something. "Breadcrumbs" mostly. They never interfere as a rule. I like to work things out myself in my own time and fashion, they respect that.

Alchemy is perhaps something best taught by a consciousness from "debris" like an orb I often think. Simply because transmutation is something they do all the time.

There is a "girl" leaning over your left shoulder I understand, it as if she is reading over your shoulder. Very patient looking young lady in appearance. I doubt she is human. I am not snooping by the way, someone just let me know.

Starred and flagged for further research...just going through the thread now..

Always liked your posts W, even if a little weird..but my kind of weird

a reply to: Whatsthisthen

"Similar thing for me, going to sleep wishing for non-existance while fighting until you fall asleep. Then one night someone said "would you like to learn how to destroy your enemies?"

"Yep" and never looked back though it is still not easy. One eye in each world is normal now.

I keep to myself mostly humanwise and fight alone, and have always thought I was alone.

"Rightous indignatiin" - I know it very well. So it is nice to know others like yourself are out there too Bwillie. "

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It would be nice for someone to offer to teach how to destroy ones enemies!
Would of come in handy a great many times. Especially with grey / black magicians conjured things that seem to automatically attack and harass me if I am anywhere in the vicinity or travel through it. There was a spot right near where I grew up that we called motel hell for that reason. Not to mention it was where the bus stop was so we were there multiple times a day all year. And that whole mountain was bad news as well.

I've always kept alone humanwise, so I understand that. But I am generally that way cuz I spend inordinate amounts of time out in the mountains. Or around the oceans, or just plain exploring an old dirt trail in the desert. Cuz it's there.

Good to meet ya by the way. Thought I was a little far out for anyone to comprehend my crazy. lol

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..."I try not to define perception in conventional ways, one can perceive with the whole body. For example, Taste is a good one to identify ccurately. Everyone tastes different.
Defined presences is how I would describe it, I even get hugs from the girls and some very odd hugs from non-human. I like hugs.

How would I not know? Well, I very rarely ask questions.

Every "girl" needs to have her secrets, human or otherwise. I think everyone has something in their past or a history they may not want to reveal. In the young lady's case her history would have triggered my prejudices and soured our relationship. Anyone who cares about Nature is okay in my books, so I put my feelings aside. "
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True that. But I have a habit of looking a bit or feeling a bit more deeply. Been duped too many times. Thus my trust level is low.

"Look I'm a nice little dead girl that just wants to hang out a play!" This is the sort of think that start out horror movies and possessions.

Although, I would like to try and teach someone a way of observation that I ran across while in bed for a few months after a major surgery a few years back. Was soo simple once I figured it out. Still trying to use if for something useful. Seeing through your hands in the dark and watching the blue, red and white energy form crystals coming out of your pores is of limited use as far as I can tell.

..."Alchemy is perhaps something best taught by a consciousness from "debris" like an orb I often think. Simply because transmutation is something they do all the time. "


I have often wondered how to connect with things to learn basics like alchemy or what plants / minerals are good for what.
Are you saying to just ask? Or wait for a little information to come through when I am out sitting by a river pondering a rock or something?... Then ask?


..."There is a "girl" leaning over your left shoulder I understand, it as if she is reading over your shoulder. Very patient looking young lady in appearance. I doubt she is human. I am not snooping by the way, someone just let me know. "

Nifty. She would have to be patient if she is around me. Now I will have to try and remember to ask for an introduction when I go to sleep tonight. Would of been happier if it was over my right shoulder
always open to interesting information like that. But makes me wonder where I am weak in my defenses if they are doing that.


Not being human is fine. As long as it's not one of them grey turds or mad native spirits. (way too many run ins with them)
In a funny coincidence, I cracked out my old tri field meter a few days back. Put it on my table next to my tv watchin chair. Saw it peg three times over a minute. Haven't seen any activity since. Threes seem to big around me. Used to have a spirit, being, entity... whatever (nasty one) that would knock on my door (interior door) ever single day. But discussion on that "Hill" would take a bunch of threads and I am not quite ready to jump in on that. Hopefully soon.

Are you way out in the boonies in Australia? Or in a town of some sort?
Any Yowie lurkin about? or am I thinking of the wrong side of the continent?

Cheers

a reply to: bwillie

It would be nice for someone to offer to teach how to destroy ones enemies! Would of come in handy a great many times. Especially with grey / black magicians conjured things that seem to automatically attack and harass me if I am anywhere in the vicinity or travel through it. There was a spot right near where I grew up that we called motel hell for that reason. Not to mention it was where the bus stop was so we were there multiple times a day all year. And that whole mountain was bad news as well. I've always kept alone humanwise, so I understand that. But I am generally that way cuz I spend inordinate amounts of time out in the mountains. Or around the oceans, or just plain exploring an old dirt trail in the desert. Cuz it's there. Good to meet ya by the way. Thought I was a little far out for anyone to comprehend my crazy. lol

Ya know, I often think of the "unseen" landscape like the big city. Some places you don'y want to go after dark, some people you don't want to cross paths with. Well, not unless one wants to get into a fight with them or have other business. Some places are just nice. Gotta be streetwise and know some self defense.

True that. But I have a habit of looking a bit or feeling a bit more deeply. Been duped too many times. Thus my trust level is low.

The same here, duped all the time in the early days. I just take "everyone" as I find them now.

"Look I'm a nice little dead girl that just wants to hang out a play!" This is the sort of think that start out horror movies . . .

(laugh) yeah, your right in a way, yet I have heaps of "nice little dead girls that just want to hang out and play". I'd love to hang out and play with them too, and often feel I neglect them terribly. Just too busy.

I spose it depends on how you meet them. Some of mine I find in abandoned farm houses and other ruins. Often they died of neglect or disease. Some I find under old landslides.

. . . . and possessions.

Possession is a funny thing, very misunderstood and I personally think there is a lot of dis-information and mis-information out there. I can only speak from experience otherwise I'm just repeating someone else who may or may not be a church or spiritual dis-info person.

Unfortunately to fight this stuff and sometimes undo some of the damage, a fella has to know how the black magicians (BM) do their stuff (and other black ops people in the other world).

So, the MIB (Men In Black). The old guys with wide brim black hats and full length black leather coats who look like animated corpses.

To make one of these, the BMs wrap the victim up in pigskin and bury him alive. After he is dead certain aspects of the life remain trapped within the pigskin. The thymus is the important organ in this.

In normal childhood the thymus is a large gland that shrinks and atrophies during the first seven or so years of life. The thymus holds the blood (ego) of the mother and father, occultly speaking. It is after the seventh or so year that the child has reached the stage where it can begin to create it's own ego. This blood (ego) of the parents gives the child a head start in life one might say. The ego, occultly speaking, resides in the blood.

The animator of the MIB infuses the thymus with blood (ego) to animate and control the corpse.

I don't know for sure, but I think this is mostly an aetheric operation. I haven't had zombies knocking down my door. I just cross paths it seems with the MIB "out there" once in a blue moon.

I know about the thymus because "killing" (if I may use that terminology) these things is extraordinarily difficult. The thick coat protects them. It was only after I learned that there was a red looking shriveled organ behind where the heart would be and that is what had to be destroyed. They stopped coming and spying or interfering after that, MIBs must be expensive to make. Though I still notice them occasionally, they seem to be on other business.

So in what I call "true possession", I would suggest that it is done by inserting the invading ego via the thymus and consequently into the blood to take control.

I have probably scared a few casual readers half to death here bwillie, oh well.

But let's go on to more pleasant and fun things that can be done (that might be considered as possession).

One thing I always say is that a strong sense of self is very important. I think that "everything is one" new age concept often gets people into trouble and opens a security exploit.

Decades ago, I was shown a photo of silver UFO metal in a private group and checked out the ancient crash site (from a distance). Close to the site were two awarenesses mostly eaten by ectoplasm. All that remained of each was a sphere of awareness with "stuff" hanging off it. I brought them home with me and nursed them back to health over the next six months or so. I had an old Doris Day song; Dream a little dream of me on CD and used to sing that to them every day multiple times with as much feeling as possible.

I don't think they ever said a word and eventually disappeared from my notice when they were recovered. Still see them around sometimes.

What we did do together was I would watch anime on TV and they would stand behind me and watch the pictures in my mind. I understand that is how it worked. My family never knew what was with us in the lounge room every night watching anime on TV.

So "others" can watch TV through a living person.

With my (deceased) human girls, they can watch TV through me too. Anime romances are popular.

One night I was sitting down absentmindedly watching TV with dinner on my lap. roast chicken, chips and salad.

At some point I noticed that I was eating in a certain order. (Hmmm)

Then one girl's voice said: "chip please!" so I ate one.

Then "chicken please!" So I ate a piece.

"chip please!", "chip please!", "chicken please!", "chicken please!", "chip please!" "tomato please!" and so on.

(WTF?)

Then it was "celery please!" and then again over and over until I asked "What's with all the celery?"

"She doesn't like celery" was the reply.

So playful fun and games that night. I enjoyed myself too.

I protect these girls from harm and exploitation in the afterlife world. One night I was awoken in the early hours of the night by one of my girls who was about eleven when she died and still is sort of. She was running terrified up and down my hallway being chased by a rather large (deceased) man who wanted her for you know what. Grab him by the throat and deal with him so he won't ever chase her ever again. Then go back to sleep

We have a trust relationship where I protect and they keep me company. I also want to arrange a future for them to make up for the tragic life. My personal opinion is the need for strong separate selves and an eye for achieving something special for them in the future.

The point of this is simply a peek into what can be done with strong sense of self, a little trust on both sides and knowledge. And definitely no "we are all one" mystic stuff.

I have a strong educated hunch that the church and spiritual religions have put out a lot of dis-info on a lot of subjects to further their own agendas . . . . .

cont.

a reply to: Whatsthisthen

cont.

Although, I would like to try and teach someone a way of observation that I ran across while in bed for a few months after a major surgery a few years back. Was soo simple once I figured it out. Still trying to use if for something useful. Seeing through your hands in the dark and watching the blue, red and white energy form crystals coming out of your pores is of limited use as far as I can tell.

Cool! gonna give that one a go. thanks : )

I have often wondered how to connect with things to learn basics like alchemy or what plants / minerals are good for what. Are you saying to just ask? Or wait for a little information to come through when I am out sitting by a river pondering a rock or something?... Then ask?

I think it depends on whether "friends" such as fairies want to tell you and whether you listen and actually do what they suggest.

With mine their is generally a common interest to achieve a mutual outcome and they drop breadcrumbs for me to follow. A strange relationship I have to work at.

Would of been happier if it was over my right shoulder always open to interesting information like that. But makes me wonder where I am weak in my defenses if they are doing that.

Superstition or a left brain right brain thing?

On ATS I don't check out the members, yet I am aware that everyone has someone reading over their shoulder. Normal I think.

Are you way out in the boonies in Australia? Or in a town of some sort? Any Yowie lurkin about? or am I thinking of the wrong side of the continent?

In the country, a little town in west Oz. Broad acre wheat farming mostly. Almost no psychic stuff because of the chemical farming and very little forest.

The city is too "people noisy" psychically. Down south is really nice scenery with heaps of forest, but has way too much UFO/aboriginal spirit stuff and when I am down that way visiting family, my brain gets too scrambled for comfort almost immediately. So I live in perhaps a most unlikely place ; )

Geez that was long.

hint; look for the little " icon in the row above the text box when you write a post. Copy and paste the text you want quoted in the pop-up.

This will give you a box like this one : )

a reply to: pigsy2400

Hi pigsy! Just noticed you there.

Yeah, a bit on the strange side.

We're just chatting here on mutual interests, so your welcome too.

a reply to: bwillie

Although, I would like to try and teach someone a way of observation that I ran across while in bed for a few months after a major surgery a few years back. Was soo simple once I figured it out. Still trying to use if for something useful. Seeing through your hands in the dark and watching the blue, red and white energy form crystals coming out of your pores is of limited use as far as I can tell.

I've been pondering the crystals.

I've never heard of it before and it might be fairly unique.

So . . ..

If you can grow crystals around your exterior (skin) what can one do with that talent?

Elementals and fairy folk can work with crystals. and crystals are an excrescence. For instance, a diamond is a crystal form of carbon. So carbon in it's formless state can be condensed into coal and coal can be condensed into diamond. Get it?

Most (all?) Chemical emements have a crystal form, even gasses. Argon for instance has a crystal form in high pressures and low temps.

One could try and ID the crystals by shape.into the classes of four sides, five sides, etc.. can you change the crystals? Can you create crystals and charge them up? Could you effect the ol' trimeter?

The girl over your shoulder probably knows, if you study and try and work out how to do stuff, she might get interested enough for her to drop breadcrumbs.

If you can get the knack of this, well you might be able to charge yourself up and change the atmosphere around your body.

Done correctly with say the right astral or aetheric substance the fairy folk might be able to use you like a battery or lantern to do all sorts of stuff.

If you can transmute formless matter into something the fairies can use for gardens and other stuff, you might be very popular and make some new friends.

That might be fun to learn.

a reply to: Whatsthisthen

Clarification on the crystals. I don't know if they are crystals. Think of it this way. The pore of your skin (I generally look at the back of my hands). It appeared to me that energy was coming out the pores. At which point it was spreading out over the skin in what I would describe as a crystal structure, like snowflakes. Depending on focus I see white or red crystals.
This reminded me of studying dream yoga. men supposedly have white blue and red. While women have red, blue and white.

Of course they over lap. I was seeing white and red on each hand, depending on how I focused.

I don't know if the emanation is crystals or just looks like crystals. In either cas it's really weird and kewl.

Note, I have determined through opening my eyes and closing them. That the focus is not from the eyes. But up and between them.

a reply to: Whatsthisthen

As soon as I have time and have caught up, I look forward to contributing

a reply to: bwillie

Interesting stuff. Well water crystals are like snowflakes.

Between the crystals, what is there? You might need to look a little deeper.

Keel indeed.

a reply to: pigsy2400

No probs pigsy, anytime.

I've been spending time over on a CERN thread of late.

a reply to: Baddogma

The huge uptick had NOTHING to do with the nuclear detonations themselves; it had everything to do with the dramatic effect the detonations caused emotionally and psychologically on humans.

More modern incidents between so-called 'UFOs' and 'nuclear sites' have a somewhat different explanation, that has been discussed in some detail in other threads.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Hi KPB.

Got lost mate?

Considering the title of the thread in relation to the current "demonic" narrative..



What's people's take on this?

a reply to: pigsy2400

Honestly, this is an old thread, and a lot of water under the bridge for me. So I am not sure how people would take what I wrote.

"Demonic narrative"? I wasn't really aware of one. Do you mean the TTSA thread? The Colin's Elite, the Skinwalker Ranch and even CERN? How UFOs and "aliens" have moved on from extraterrestrials to interdimensionals and so on?

a reply to: Whatsthisthen

Yes... lol...

I purposely left the question quite open to see what and how people would respond.

But to expand on it, pretty much how you responded. The narrative as to what they are, not necessarily tied to the other threads either, which in part led me to this one, as drifting on those other threads can become annoying. So I thought I would ask the question in what seemed like the correct place.

From your first post in this thread, do you believe that this sentient intelligence would be misconstrued as demonic?

My answer to my own question lol... is that it would depend on your bias and what your current belief system is. Your first post also reminds very much of KellyPrettyBear's hypothesis too, both of which carry merit in my eyes.

Last question; Has your original stance / hypothesis changed since the first post on this thread in 2016?

a reply to: Whatsthisthen

I had never seen this thread.. the only reason I responded is two-fold:

1) Pigsy crashed the thread first.
2) That whole 'nuclear attracts UFOs' thing is toxic meme used to promote disinformation.

I suppose this would also be good point to humbly note, that I too have had some mild position changes over the past 5 years on ATS. The line between what is a 'being' and what is a phenomenon created by a being, is a very tough nut to crack.. and in fact may be the 'smoking gun' of 'spirituality' as a whole. When i first came to ATS, I was big on parasites/symbiotes.. and I certainly still see why I was.. but I find the 'answer' is probably far more nuanced than that, as humans too are just temporary beings.... not really any different than other temporary beings who aren't fully real. Humans are not fully real, at least compared to more enduring forms of life.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

So we are an illusion within a realm in which we create the reality around us and the other illusions within that reality and there are others that are a creation and creators of both that spectate us spectating them?

my work here is done lol