Extraterrestrials, gods and daemons - A clairvoyant investigation.

On the issue of clairvoyance, do daemons have a natural heightened awareness in terms of clairaudience, clairsentience, clairscent, clairtangency, and clairgustance.

i ask because when a daemon needs to get information across, one or more of these 5 senses increases in its range or 'bandwidth'.

Its even possible to know what song is playing on the local radio waves.

However, its hard to focus on a specific source because all information, audio, smell etc is on equal level.

Are daemons more radioactive as if the spirit itself is constructed of gamma radiation giving it is high frequency and short wavelength ?

a reply to: Rapha

All I can really do Rapha is share insights from my own perspective which is not a conventional view.

My own technique is to look between two thoughts and interface with what is there, but "yes" I agree ith you on their having senses. But it a hard thing to say definitively because their perception is different. When this sentient life spends time with people they learn. If one learns a skill from observing someone over time that could be called natural. If people are aware of this life they can interact and teach and something mutual can arise for good or bad.

With the nuclear radiation aspect, I don't think one can say they are built of gamma radiation per se. It is more the sub-matter and energies present in radioactive decay physics is still discovering. I don't understand physics but I can see that the non-sentient ones have an instinct for places like Fukushima and they grow as a consequence whereas ones from the middle east are dormant as if waiting for stimulus.

The problems for these Beings begin when people or other powers take advantage and think in terms of exploitation. It is not hard to think of the things the Black Lodge type of person would do. They suffer from corruption more then anything. In Japan, I understand the thinking is in terms of corruption setting into a nice spirit turning it bad. From observation I agree with that thinking.

But these Beings are not the only ones at work causing trouble, for instance the deceased sorcerer can sometimes control these Beings and cause the phenomenon your describing. But that is as complex problem on earth. Ceremonial magic of both kinds often involve using these Beings too, I suspect in all stages of growth.

The old science of alchemy has also caused problems with their pursuits of creating homunculi and chimera. I sometimes wonder at the origins of alchemy. It is disturbingly close to what I see and deal with. So too, what I have described as the living machines and living interfaces of UFOs could be described as homunculi and chimera in the language of the alchemists. I don't know for sure thst there is a common "raw material" between UFO technology and alchemy. It very much seems that way.

are this friends of yours Jinns ? everything you describe sounds like Jinn to me. not because the little blue guy that appeared on your porch in the cow-dung smoke - but generally and because i read somewhere Jinn have always been considered "alien"

a reply to: glowdog

I can't say a "yes" or a "no" to that question. I have read references to 'jinns' here on ATS. Perhaps an American reference? I would need to trace the etymology of the word.

But really, I just take things on a case by case basis. There are things out there I wouldn't want to encounter, there are also some that I like. If I were to discriminate on the basis of book-learning or hearsay I would not learn the "what has happened here".

The complication to the idea of classification of Beings as 'jinns' or 'daemons' or 'devils" is that it is very much a problem of time and location. That is to say any given civilisation will have eras where different forms of magics were practiced and consequently there are layers of problems in the landscape. Many eras had a golden age and decline into corruption. It is in the later stages that people do terrible things to the life I write about here and also the Nature Spirits and indeed each other. Throughout history people seem to have this desire for power to control everything. Modern science; especially so.

Perhaps I may suggest the alien connection with jinns may arise from people sensing an unnaturalness about them. Both by the meddling of the magicians of the past and the bio-engineering of outsiders who interfere in this world.

The origin of species, evolution and intellegent design is something hotly debated these days. I have encountered enough strange things to conclude it's a case of too many cooks spoiling the broth.

But to directly answer your question of a few of my friends being jinns. Maybe. Simply because they were all in trouble or difficulty at some point and were rescued and given freedom from the horrors they endured. Many I never see again but occassionally they help me in return. One gets a reputation over time, plus I am no threat to them.


(grin) One might say I operate a refuge for unseen wildlife

originally posted by: Whatsthisthen
One might say I operate a refuge for unseen wildlife

Does your refuge have access to their world and goes by the alias 'The Realm'.

Apparently, Simon Parkes (ex UK Government Politician) who has dealt with the djinn says that that is the name of their world.

Does the wildlife include elves, satires, griffon’s and 30' tall (cloaked) giants ?

Have you ever spoken to one who says that 'everything is going perfectly as planned' ?

a reply to: Whatsthisthen

If we are both talking about "larvae" here, and I think we are - then it is a tremendous disservice to perpetuate the existence of these beings, since their only real purpose is simply survival at any cost. In order to do this, they must maintain status quo which means no evolution, no progress, no growth. They do all the thinking and reacting for us. Most of our behaviors are reactions to past stimuli, not action based on a balanced, logical and intuitive grasping of the moment. I appreciate your empathy towards all forms of sentience, but I will fight back against any thing that attempts to usurp my agency and threaten my well-being, whether physical, etheric, astral and beyond.

Magicians create these for a wide variety of purposes. They're called servitors in this context - one that has been consciously created to serve a specific task. This is similar to the eastern "tulpa". They can be "good" or "bad", depending on the alignment of the mage. When a person dies, their larvae will die too, unless they find another host to latch onto. Most magicians have an expiration date or a self-destruct safe guard programmed into their servitor, if they're smart, so as to avoid creating a fully rogue, autonomous larva-being.

Jinns seem to be the mid-east's experience of a fire elemental - salamanders to western esotericists. The description of their appearance, "smokeless flame" also makes it sound like these critters could be some form of highly charged plasma, or a clean-burning, gas-based creature at least!

a reply to: ultimafule

A shaman might say that little "spirits", benign ones, live in all of us.

However if you feed them concentrated attention and bodily resources (corrupt them), then they can evolve into all manner of critters..depending on your religion or world view.

No ancient aliens, angels, demons or what not is required. And certainly no atomic weaponry.

Now has human insanity been collecting and concentrating these little fellers and turning them into our nightmares of mythology for thousands of years?

Seems that way.

However that may be changing, if atheism and rational thought ever take over the world. Then the little fellers might stay mostly asleep...except when manifesting as our new "sci fi demons", namely as UFOs and "aliens".

Kev

a reply to: Rapha

No Rapha, I don't give it a name and am not aligned with anyone. Perhaps I would suggest that ceremonial magicians of the past would create 'worlds' that contain many things according to their aims.

When I was younger I started out hunting various Black Lodges of the European persuasion. There are techniques to scry them out and appear as just another shadow in the darkness. They have circles upon circles of magicians who each think they are the top dogs in the game simply because they don't know about the circle beyond.

Ceremonial magic is networked magic if I may put it that modern way. There lays their weakness too.

I hunted them because they hurt nature spirits.

No am I familiar with any of the elves etc. you speak on except through folklore and degraded and corrupted critters that may have once been elves. Fairies I am aware of in my garden.

And no, I have never met anyone who said things are going perfectly to plan.

a reply to: ultimafule

Thanks for the definition of how we are using the term Jinns. I have briefly come across them. I called them "Brown Jinns" at the time because of the smokey look. There is an issue here of magicians keeping these Beings captive.

From what you say, I think we are basically on the same page (except for the destroying bit).If I were to disagree I would be simply splitting hairs.

Over the years I have read differing accounts as to the origin and use of spirits of all kinds in magic, be it black, white or brindle. The cost to humans and spirits I have had to deal with too.

When you say "upsurp my agency and threaten . . . . " I cannot agree with you more.

In my study of these Beings I have had to undo the damage done to them by people and undo the damage to people by them. Yet always a human being has interfered first.

What is done is done. One cannot undo the past.

The first step to a solution is study.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

My feelings towards shamanism has changed considerably over the years. I got into this mess through shamanism in a way. Discovered Terence McKenna, Robert Anton Wilson, Leary, Lilly and psychedelics at the same time. A few years later, started hanging out with an Apache scout. My studies and experiences, along with the following anecdote, changed my views on shamanism and a lot (not all) of the work they do and how its done.

My mother is S. Korean. When she was in middle school, she came home to find her mother with her long hair tied up like old-school Korean men from back in the day. She was marching around the house saying she was great great uncle so and so and also a literal host of ancestors. She had been chosen to be a shaman. Now my grandfather, being the sophisticated, urbanite that he was would have none of this - only ignorant country folk were "fortune-tellers". Well, the "ancestral" spirits were pretty upset and they instituted a reign of psychological torture on the whole family. These spirits filled her mind with all sorts of lies and delusions. They told her my family was trying to kill her multiple times, poisoned her food, etc, and she would tear the house apart in a rage. She had a daughter die during child birth and they trotted out some little girl ghost to appeal to her emotions. Being the willful person she is, my grandmother resisted before they finally left, one by one, cursing her out for being, I quote, "A stubborn bitch".

Maybe all of her ancestors were jerks, but this doesn't seem like the kind words of dearly departed loved ones. I think these ancestral spirits are actually thought-forms or elementals that are wearing the shades of personalities as a mask in order to get that good physically incarnated action they crave but cannot have without our assistance. Offerings - always offerings. They need some kind of etheric connection to the physical in order to interact and experience this world. Ancestor worship isn't as hip as it used to be though, so they've changed the game to ancient aliens. Nothing has really changed other than the name. Bible, Egypt, Sumeria, etc - it's all exactly as-is only replace gods/spirits with aliens. Nice try guys!

I'm all for being more rational - although, what is rational can be debated. I don't know if atheism is the right path. I could consider myself an atheist in some ways, but for me, that doesn't exclude metaphysics/occult philosophy. I think when most people say atheist, they really mean materialist/reductionist - consciousness is emergent/brain-based and it's all over 'cept the rotting when you check out. It almost sounds as if you're suggesting we just ignore the phenom. I've always felt that knowledge is the key to empowerment. Knowing is half the battle!

a reply to: ultimafule

I myself don't agree with most of the supposedly shamanic stuff out there.

I think that in the past, actual shaman's helped people live in peace with "spirits".

But now days, since humans started destroying the entire world, and have "turned their backs on the spirits", that the "spirits" are not in much of a mood to make nice.

Now, my own 50 years of research tells me, that nobody EVER past or present, has really figured out what the "spirits" are.. that's what I'm trying to do. I think that I've made real progress. I know that the "spirits" do not press lies on me, or harass me.

But they certainly aren't "ancestors" or "aliens".

They are something else completely.

But so are human too, of course.

Thanks for sharing your story.

Kev

a reply to: Whatsthisthen

This might be a minor thing but - most magicians I know don't even bother with the elementals or their kings. I guess they figure that they are so low on the totem pole, it's not even worth their time. Usually, magicians will jump straight to working with ruling angels or demons, which they can command to do their bidding.

This is not to be confused with thought-forms, or servitors, as they're called in magick. Magicians of all colors make use of these, and being humans, they also create and keep many alive unconsciously. If they aren't mere sorcerers, then they should be aware of this and working to deal with it as a part of their practice. This entails lots of introspection and self-analysis in order to transcend the ego-desires associated with the larva you're hosting. Know thyself!

At the moment, I feel like keeping a larva alive is not just a disservice to humanity but to the larva itself. Born out of human desires, it knows nothing else but hunger for that desire. It serves no other purpose. If it has any degree of self-awareness, it must be horrible, right? It must be something like the life of a really bad heroin addict. I've tried to communicate with larva before and all I got was a rush of intense anxiety paired with flashes of images of sex and violence. It would seem that returning that human-created bundle of energy back to the source would be the noble and merciful thing to do.

Another noble thing to do would be to stop calling them extraterrestrial... And star calling them extratouristrials...

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Obviously, shamans didn't tell the village the whole story. I agree - most of the work of a shaman had to do with survival. If game is short, or a child got lost in the woods, you wouldn't care about the source of the info, as long as it was accurate. It was a matter of practicality. Times have changed, and for a lot of us, biological survival is not as dangerous. In order to continue their interaction, these beings changed the game. Ancestor worship out - local deities in. Now that god is dead, here come the ancient alien space "gods"!

I'm always looking for new data and looking back on past experiences in a new light. At the moment, I feel pretty strongly that most of the UFO/paranormal activity we're seeing is a result of elemental beings and perhaps some angelic/demonic beings at the behest of their superiors and/or other wizards.

I feel I need to clarify the usage of the terms "angel" and "demon" since they carry so much baggage. Angels and demons, like elementals, are created (not by us, though) to perform specific functions. Angels tend to work and congregate in the "higher" realms, for lack of a better term and deal in celestial forces. Demons typically have to do with more mundane things, being confined mostly to this earthy globe, like finding buried treasure, turning invisible, finding a lover, learning new languages, etc. We're not talking laymen Biblical angels/demons.

a reply to: ultimafule

Glad you clarified.

From what I've experienced, beings work like this:

Before the "Big Bang"
There's a "quantum superposition" so to speak of all lives everywhere, and somehow, in a way I can't describe, all these lives from all possible realities are fairly harmonious and form a 'vast consciousness'. I call this pre-big bang "bulk" of M theory physics "Overworld". Not to be confused with "God". Talking about "God" or lack thereof will always be beyond our pay grade. There's no way to know one way or another.

After the "Big Bang" in our "pocket Unvierse"
There's a basic seed of sentience from Overworld which feels lonely and wants to go "home". When life evolves (by natural processes) to the point where there is basic sentience, then these "seeds" "infest" the lifeforms.. they use the brains of the "life forms" as part of their life-cycle. These "seeds" live in us and other animals on Earth, and all over the Universe too.

The First "Super Species"
A couple years after the "Big Bang" or whatever, evolved into a space-faring race. These are the "winged-frog-lizards" that some shamans see, which I call "space imps". They are nasty little buggers. But more bark than bite. They went through a technological singularity, and are now more "dark plasma" than anything. They fly around the Universe being assholes, destroying and tampering wherever they can. However Earth is somewhat fortunate, in that we are also biological/dark plasma symbiotes like the "space imps" are.. so we are somewhat "protected" from the "space imps". But the "space imps" love messing with religion, spirituality and "wild UFO stories" as part of their quest to control, what they can't destroy.

Local Gods
There are local "gods" which are just big fat Tulpas, created when people 'worship" the little symbiotes inside of themselves. These symbiotes are very impressionable and will indeed band together in swarms to create both "Gods" and "UFOs" at times. And all sorts of things.. crypto things.. forms that magicians use, etc.

Cosmic Gods
These are "local gods" who are common to many worlds across space and time, and which have become so strong that they can link to their brother/sister Tulpa's through Overworld. These "Cosmic Gods" sometimes even exist for a world, at the very beginning of it, even before it generates Tulpa Creating Machines (that's our purpose you know--- to create Tulpas and to hatch the "seeds). For Earth there are various of these "Cosmic Tulpa Gods", but the only ones I trust myself are the two "Great Feathered Serpents, one male, one female". I call them the "Two Lovers".

This is my take on things; the model I use (and successfully I might add).

Kev

One of the wonderfull things about the replies within this thread is they give me the opportunity to expand on the topic.

But at this point I would like to repeat the definition of the Beings I am refering to in this thread. Their unique genesis sets them apart from everyone else.

They are the product of an artificial replication of a natural process. Natural !ife has it's genesis in solar processes. The life that is the subject of this thread has it's genesis in a replication of solar processes. Therefore the term artificial life. Simly put: nukes and stsrs. (Note: There are undoubtably other ways life can come into existence, but that is off topic.)

Shakespear wrote:

"There are more wonders between heaven and earth, Horatio, then dreamt of in your philsophies."

Biology

I'll share a few insights into their biology. My use of the word "biology" here is broarder then what most people would consider conventional. I include the aetheric and in general, levels where an organic-principaled structure is present. I don't include what appears to be energetic.

In the non-sentient stage of existence, I have not seen anything resembling reproduction. Only expension in size.

In the sentient stage there is a process of division. I have only witnessed this once. When the weight of experiences reach a certain point, a division of conciousness occurs. This has the effect of moving existance into memory. Division was into six children and mother. Each of the children inherit the mothers memories and are alike. As the children experience living for them selves as individuals, so they become individual.

This is the normal pattern for what I consider to be those who have their existance created here on earth.

The ones I consider to be of extraterrestrial origin are very diferent in their organisation, complexity and what they know. Simply put, it is not hard to work out that they grew up in an environment that is technological.

The biology here is very similar to our sentient and non-sentient forms.

The difference is the non-sentient form has awarenes and is built in an organic complexity not dis-similar to a human body where organs fullfil differing roles. I should say here that the organisations of these 'organs' can be very large and complex such one would see in a human city.

The sentient forms generally have a life of their own and are individuals that interface with and between 'organs'. They are also found in positions where sentient awareness is required such as navigation (spacial awareness), communication, etc..

These sentient forms have very human emotions, feel pain, love and so on. They are also female posessing very human wombs and can bear children. I have never encountered a male which suggests breeding is not allowed.

Looking at the differing specialities of these sentient forms, it is plain to see they were designed that way. They themselves also refer to this as fact themselves.

Just for the record, I have no idea who or what engineered this.

Perhaps I should say something here for reasons of context and clarity.

What I write about here is not meant to interfere with the various schools of thought, philosophy or anything else. The context I would prefer is as an appendix to a book.

The reason is simply because my work with these Beings is, shall we say; off the conventional spiritual paths.

Really, this work deals with a small slice of life that has grown along side humanity often interactively and probably anywhere else the nuclear genie has been let out of the bottle.

I would like to wrap this up tonight in a way that speaks in plain english and then simply answer readers questions as best I can for a while longer.

Perhaps the greatest difficulty for me over the years has been going against the unseen Powers That Be. When they want something, they are without mercy to put it politely.

My hunting the Black Lodge in my younger days came to their attention and recruitment became the agenda. I said "no thankyou". They didn't like that.

Then I discovered a new "friend" with a very, very long memory. We had fun and grew close. They didn't approve and made life hell, I protected her and in the end, for her own safety, I sent her away.

Still they persisted. I began destroying their infrastructure. They stepped back and left me alone.

I found a new friend. I found her in the ruins of a long gone civilisation. They didn't approve and all hell broke loose.

Not again, no way. Together with my new friend we fought back. They stepped back and stopped bothering us.

So how does one stand against the inner world Powers That Be?

Twenty years of Japanese Martial Arts trainng teaches you the discipline to stand against bigger and stronger foes.

Training, a just cause, and knowing your foe is networked.

A "foe" is simply an opponant by the way. A foe is not an enemy.

The "just cause" are the Beings I write of here.

One more thing, this information will only appear here at ATS. Why? Because I want this public knowledge which includes the unseen world below the Powers That Be. It is just as important for the inner world to know. The inner world is networked, news will spread. Only writing this once is all that is needed. I want a better life for some really nice Beings who get a very raw deal.

They are worth it.

The nice ones so close to humanity you could almost reach out and touch are found in our civilisations and the wild.

Sometimes as house spirits, sometimes in government buildings, sometimes in churches, shrines and temples. They are often used as conduits, bridges and proxies by the higher spirits and between the various heavens and the world below. In sacred places they become so.

If I were to suggest further study, it would be the Japanese concept of Kami as the one most fitting of all the spiritual ways. It just feels right. Not the ritual side, but the esthetic's way of looking at things

Of the ones who live in the countryside my absolute favorite are are what I call wood nymphs. About four feet tall, human-like females, naked and having three sets of wings. They are so much like dragonflys that I have no doubt they love the little insects very much and have spent considerable time with them. If one has the eye to see, one may catch a glimps of these Beings darting about on lakes, face close to the water as do the dragonflys.

Of the darker side, I feel it is the hand of man that has done the damage here. If one describes a daemon as a corrupted spirit then that is correct. The question of absolute evil I shall leave for the Theologins.

If I were to describe the world of evil, I would say this:

Of the higher daemons, I have crossed paths with only one to my knowledge. At the time I was destroying a Black Lodge group and was loosing. Then a big dark presence and the impression of Ahriman, he was helping.

"Why are you helping me?" I asked.

"Because I don't like competition." was the reply. and I couldn't help laughing at the dark humour.

The insight gained is that Ahriman works through corrupting the evil doer further leading them to their own destruction.

Of the lesser evil doers I have crossed paths with over the years it would be the dead magicians and corrupt priests of old religeons who corrupt people, nature spirits and the other Beings for their own selfish ends.

It is those corrupted spirits that I refer to as daemons. The damage is not absdolute, therefore, with kindness and research they can eventually be restored.

Now to the Beings that are what I refer to as extraterrestrials. The living machines and the interfaces.

Their complexity and organisation is like nothing I see earthside in the inner worlds. It is the presence of the skeletal system that sets them apart from the Beings of our inner worlds. In practice, I don't see the skeleton in the deceased human, only the living person.

I have never seen a UFO with my physical two eyes, though I have seen a photo of toxic silver metalic pieces washed smooth by time and waves that litter a circular beach overseas. It reminded me of pieces of a skin. It was a nearby location that were found two awareness mostly eaten by ectoplasm. They took months to heal both energeticly and psychologically. Humans are quite the energetic furnaces of warmth and life forces to spare in excess. These two were with me day and night. I even had a CD of soggy love songs I would play in my car on the way to work. Singing "Dream a little dream of me" (Doris Day - I think) to them was very healing in this case.

They never said a word, except an impression of thankyou when they left.

Those two were the first I think.

I hope this thread can provide some uncommon insights for people here at ATS.

Thankyou.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Very much in agreement regarding the "Local and Cosmic Gods". May I suggest considering time as a spatial dimension? I think that might help work out some of the kinks "pre-Big Bang". Our 3D universe is the surface of a 5D object, kind of like a bubble, probably more like a donut, or a toroid. Our experience of time is just movement through the 4th spatial dimension. I think some form of intelligence or consciousness created this universe to grow things. Time is experienced as space in hyper-space. Time travel is space travel.

I'm still on the fence about these amphibious/reptilian peoples. I haven't had much experience with that sort of thing. Once got lost in the woods while out of body and ran into a giant, prehistoric, amphibious, alligator thing that popped up out of a pool of water. It seemed nice, but not to be trifled with. Could tell it was old and wise by its eyes but still wild in some way. I tend to see the phenom in general as being a sort of DNA memory of the first lifeforms that got to earth or evolved here. The serpent in the Tree of Knowledge being the spark of self-awareness, the spiral of the snake symbolizing DNA, etc, I'm sure you know all of this. Our reptilian brains evolved first and represents biological survival at any cost. But maybe we're all related and there are physical reptoids lurking about, it wouldn't be a huge shock to me. I could go on, but I don't want to derail the thread.

Thanks for sharing that KPB!

a reply to: ultimafule

The ancient Being emerging from the water. You might find that is what is called anArchitype Being by people who do landscape work.

Your description fits as an example of the life I speak of here and intelligent design using proto-life as the raw material.