The Mandela Effect Can No Longer Be Denied: Berenstein Was The Tip of The Iceberg

I believe this is failed or erroneous built memories. But for those who really believe it, I hope they do more then just say it is happening. A more in depth investigation. Other wise it is just another internet 15 minutes.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: jacygirl

I really wish you all would let us discuss this topic without the insults.

What insult?
I "remember" stuff I couldn't possibly remember. Family stories that I've heard so many times that they seem real.
It is no insult to say our (everyone's) memories are not really very reliable.

What is odd though, is the penchant to deny that reality (memory is not reliable) in favor of the idea of an altered one.

if we all had different alternate memories, maybe, but we dont.... Why can't people just let us help each other put back the pieces of our past together and let it be? If we are all a bunch of morons, why are so many people stuck in here trying to convince us we are wrong?

If we are that we dumb, why even join our discussion?

a reply to: TheKestrel04

I don't believe so. I was walking along a pavement not far from a coffee shop. I was bored, waiting for someone. My attention shifted to an imaginative state where I visualized different green lands, like different worlds, sort of like inside domes. One dome somehow came into another, and for some reason I stepped through it. I came to afterwards and felt differently, a little more aware or something. Never thought much about it.

a reply to: pirhanna

Did it sound anything like the sounds people have heard from the sky?

a reply to: hidingthistime

If we are all a bunch of morons, why are so many people stuck in here trying to convince us we are wrong?

Who called you a moron?

If we are that we dumb, why even join our discussion?

Who called you dumb?

a reply to: Phage

Would figure you would jump on this, Phage.

I meant Big Mac, and I already changed it. What I was saying is that it should not have been 'Big Mac,' it should have been 'Big Mc."

a reply to: LoneCloudHopper2

I meant Big Mac, and I already changed it.

In which timeline?


"I'll have a Big Mc, with a side of fries." Right.

originally posted by: Ranger351
a reply to: TombEscaper

The "new" Bears family name is definitely wrong, and "Luke...I am your father" these I agree with, but I explicitly immediately recalled "McIntyre" as Joey from NKOTB (late 80's early 90's) spelled the way you think Reba's name should be, Reba does not feel wrong in any way to me as McEntire. Now suppose this whole effect "Depends" on what they allow us to recall...as far as the guy on yt talking about prince lyrics, I feel like the phrase always was "get through" this thing called life, it does not sound right in my head as "Celebrate" with reference to this song lyric. As far as Mandela effect I have to stick with the original instances, not feeling much from these most recent discovered ones, I do appreciate the effort and love the topic!!! Thank you!

Yes, there are many strange elements to all this, and while the Berenstein issue seems to be a consensus among most ME folks, it seems that is not the case for some of the other issues. For instance, I am thoroughly certain that something has been manipulated with Beresntein, Depends, the Mr. Rogers song, Ghandi, the South American eastern shift, and the deceased wrestler Curt Henning (now in the annals as Hennig). I assume the same with Mirror Mirror, but did not watch Snow White repetitively enough to be certain of it. The "Luke" line from Star Wars, I'm honestly not sure. It may have somehow just been universally misquoted for decades without anyone ever realizing (although that would be improbable).

The interesting perspective I have on this involves Interview with the Vampire and Sex and the City. Many are certain they used to be a/in, but I remember the opposite, and as they are now. But what is really bizarre is that the reason I remember them being like that from all those years ago is that I was surprised when I realized those were the titles. I clearly remember thinking they were odd, and should be a/in. How or why would I have thought that so long ago, and lo and behold, 15-20 years later, everyone remembers them being that way?

There are a lot of peculiarities with this phenomenon, and there is definitely some aspect of the archetypal "trickster" behind it.

a reply to: jacygirl

Glad others are noticing the white sky too! If you're up really late you might notice a partially blue, or even white, sky around 2 or 3 AM. I did where I lived previously at least.

originally posted by: jacygirl

originally posted by: TombEscaper

originally posted by: jacygirl

originally posted by: peck420
a reply to: kita0dtita
If the Mandela Effect is real, why do we only get instances of close similarity? Where are all the people experiencing the Mandela Effects from vastly different parallel worlds?

Why are you asking us questions we obviously can't answer? We are all admitting that we don't understand this, even though we are experiencing it.

Someone has suggested that this seems to only happen to English speaking countries, mostly North America.
I used some different search engines (for different countries) and searched "Berentein Bears" and "Mandela Effect".

I did this for England, Australia, Italy and Portugal. England had links for online discussions, basically the same ones we get when we use google. (the results also showed both spellings for Berenstein and didn't try to auto-correct anything) The other 3 countries had "no results found" for either search.

I don't accept the 'timeline' theory. I've tried, but it's not...logical enough for me.
My current theory is more along the lines of "implanted false memory" (which is real)...psy-ops/mind control via internet/television/radio...subliminal...basically something mental as opposed to physical.

If a bunch of us all remember "Berenstein", but our old books show "Berenstain"..then we would be the ones with the false memory implanted, and you all would think we were wrong, crazy, stupid, stubborn, poor readers, faulty memory...right?

jacy

Again, to understand what the bad guys are up to, you have to get inside the mind of the bad guys to a certain extent. If the goal is consciousness (soul) enslavement, and many indications are that that IS the goal, then the tactics I have shared here are very likely tools that would be used.

TombEscaper!!

I'm so glad I read all the long replies...that was fabulous! (almost as good as a donut!)

I agree. I absolutely agree.
Unfortunately there are far too many people who will never even bother to read what you wrote...never mind consider that as a possible reality. And what a chilling reality it may be.
jacy

Well I'm glad to be of encouragement. This can literally drive someone to insanity without holding out the hope that ultimately, there is some benevolent higher force working this out for a greater good.

a reply to: TombEscaper

Of course, there is the option of realizing that memory is a funny sort of thing.

a reply to: roadgravel

It seems like people experience these changes at different times. There are older people who remember "Berenstain Bears" and kids who remember "Berenstein Bears." These reality shifts, or whatever they are, do not seem to occur suddenly. It's more like they ease their way in, slowly, our individual realities (and our records) readjusting to them over time. It's rather stealthy now that I think about it...

Not sure about when Mandela died personally, but long ago. It's hard to say when the Berenstein Bears would have changed for me because I hadn't looked at those old childhood books for a very long time. I do have a memory of going into a bookstore around 2003 or so and noticing Stan and Jan Berenstein's surname was spelled wrong. I shook my head, offended and confused how this could have happened--on all the book covers on their books being sold at that time--and walked out. I never thought anything more about it until I remembered this just recently. The reality of it didn't hit me until I learned about the Mandela Effect or year or so ago now, perhaps.

a reply to: pirhanna

Interesting. I am not sure if the world feels different to me or not, outside of just getting older and seeing things differently. It does certainly seem that the Mandela Effect is happening a lot more recently, and some of the massive changes to sky and land are certainly remarkable of some kind of meaningful change underway. I hope it's good lol

originally posted by: tigertatzen

originally posted by: TombEscaper

originally posted by: tigertatzen

originally posted by: TombEscaper

originally posted by: dogstar23
a reply to: TombEscaper


As for Nelson himself, well, I had the entire Ice-T OG album memorized in 1991 (except the impossible to decipher few words from Nat the Cat in "Flyby")

This is an excerpt from Ice-T's 1991 spoken word "Prepared to Die", which is my personal proof to myself that he made it out of prison

Watch me flip and rip on the freedom tip, open your minds see the point of the Ice pick...Mandela did 27 hard ones, not in a windowed room but in a barred one, while his wife had tears in her eyes, the man IS a hero, he needs a Nobel Prize. But that'll never happen so I'm gonna keep rappin'...

I remember this coming out after Mandela had been released and the anti-apartheid movement was culminating. Several of the Mandela Effects which aren't spelling error-related, I have very strong memories of.

This brings up another ME that people are now claiming, involving the inventor Eli Whitney. Many swear that they learned in school of him being a black man, but now history appears to have him down as a white man. An internet search will verify this. I don't remember either way, but what I do remember are lyrics of a KRS-1 song "You Must Learn" from the late 80's/early 90's, in which he was singing about the accomplishments of historical black figures. In fact, that was the theme of the whole song.

Here are the pertinent lyrics:

No one told you about Benjamin Banneker
A brilliant Black man that invented the almanac
Can't you see where KRS is coming at
With Eli Whitney, Haile Selassie, Grand Bill Woods
made the walky-talky

Now, why would he have included Eli Whitney in the midst of the black pioneers if Whitney was a white man? The whole point of the song was to highlight the accomplishment of historical black people. And again, people are insisting they learned that Whitney was black in school. But now there is no evidence that he was black, except for those claiming the ME.

Eli Whitney WAS a black man. In sixth grade, our social studies teacher gave us a list of people who changed the world in various different ways.

Groups of us were given a choice between two people on the list and we were to research our innovator and then act out a skit of a moment in his or her life.

Our group got Eli Whitney and Isadora Duncan. We ended up choosing Isadora because most of us were girls and we outvoted the boys.

But I remember a boy making a racist remark about a black man having the name Whitney because of what it said when the letter "n" was redacted. I didn't understand the reference...my mother explained later... but the boy got sent to the office for saying such a hateful thing and did not come back to class that day. I will never forget that...I even recounted it to my own daughter years later. This is insane!

This is an interesting testimony, and what some ME people call an "anchor." As opposed to merely being certain of what you remember from unspecific memories, you have a definitive instance that you can recall for self-verification of what you remember. Many also have these anchors with memories of Berenstein; some have names themselves that end with stein, some didn't know whether to pronounce it "steen" or "stine," etc. This is their verification that it certainly could not have been "stain."

One positive possibility of all this is that perhaps a benevolent force overseeing it is prompting humanity to transcend and evolve beyond the divisions of the flesh, such as race, culture, etc. If an admired historical figure was a black man who "retro-evolved" into a white man, then race is not the concrete confinement of our vessels that it appears to be. Along with many other aspects of ME, perhaps this Eli Whitney conundrum is prompting us to look past concrete physicality.

That is definitely a much more comforting theory than the alternatives. I wish I could feel truth resonating from it, but I don't.

One of the reasons that this particular memory stays so prominent in my mind is that it was the first time in my twelve years of life that I had ever witnessed racism. I wasn't raised that color or origin mattered. I lived in another country isolated with other families from various countries on a heavily guarded installation where there were no such issues.

Quite literally, it was in fact an "anchor" of sorts...it grounded a very firm intolerance in my spirit for discrimination that is still present to this day. It was one of the things that shaped my life.

I would love to believe that this is for the benefit of all and that it is simply the manipulation of beings who wish to help us ascend to a higher level of consciousness helping us along. But I simply cannot fathom such beings accomplishing this in any manner which might generate fear or emotional turmoil for us. That would not be consistent, in my opinion, with the actions of benevolent beings.

It is an uplifting concept, however. It made me smile to imagine it.

Well, all we can do is continue to search for answers and hope that it somehow ends up for good. Something on par with the Biblical idea of "God" using "satan" for higher purposes. But for now, we know it's happening, but still don't have a clue of what might be going on.

a reply to: Phage

Why are you like this Phage? I don't know if your image is of you or not but I can tell you are not as young as you like to act.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: TombEscaper

Of course, there is the option of realizing that memory is a funny sort of thing.

It certainly is! And besides being "funny," it must be a fairly important aspect of the collective psyche, with unknown forces using unthinkable technology to test it as they are.

a reply to: LoneCloudHopper2
Acting young? No. I am not young nor do attempt to act so.
But the thread is not about me, is it?

a reply to: TombEscaper
Unthinkable?
You seem to have thought of it.

a reply to: Phage

You're making it about you, Phage. You're like a little brat who runs into a group of kids who are having fun discussing something interesting and starts calling them names. When they try to ignore his attitude, to keep talking as they were, he then grabs a handful of raw hamburg and rubs it into someone's face, and then laughs at them.

This is the way you are behaving, Phage. I hope you're proud of yourself.

originally posted by: Indigent
Well I never saw snow white, but mirror mirror is super common expression on my language and its a direct reference to snow white, i searched for the movie and it does not say mirror mirror on the wall it says magic mirror, in my own language it says something different... but if you go to the source:

"Spieglein, Spieglein an der Wand, Wer ist die Schönste im ganzen Land?"

which translate from the original as

"Mirror Mirror on the wall,
Who's the fairest of them all ? "

Too many versions of the same thing, folklore, everyone know things as facts but never really care to check their sources.

Mirror mirror is the only think i can think on my own language that is like Mandela effect, I always assumed it came from the movie and not the books, but I assumed this without even seeing the movie in the first place, meh perhaps the timeline is changing, perhaps we assume too much of what we really know for a fact

ETA: On my language it says slave of the mirror

Actually, that is not the translation at all. I own a copy of the original translation of the Grimms Fairy Tale story published in the mid 1800's. Directly translated, it says:
Mirror, mirror in my hand, who is the fairest in the land?". But I decided to look it up anyway. Guess what I found?

The wiki page on Snow White does confirm that it was adapted from the story written by the Brothers Grimm, but when I clicked the link for "magic mirror" in the second paragraph, the original words in the book excerpt have been altered to read:

"Magic Mirror in my hand, who is the fairest in the land?"

You are correct, the actual original line started with "Mirror, mirror", but that is not what it says now, in both the movie and the book. And this is the original 1812 version we're talking about here. The line you cited from the same. And it has been altered just like the movie has. Look for yourself, here's the link.

en.m.wikipedia.org...

And there is the very interesting mention that there are multiple versions of the story...ostensibly so that one will not question the blatant alteration of the original text.

Incidentally, I saw the original Snow White movie in the theater when it was first released. The Queen most certainly did say "Mirror, mirror", exactly as the book did. Now, she does not.

ETA: here's a screen grab for everyone's convenience.