The Mandela Effect Can No Longer Be Denied: Berenstein Was The Tip of The Iceberg

originally posted by: LoneCloudHopper2
a reply to: In4ormant

My time is somewhat limited these days. Surprise surprise, go figure, I didn't wish to read 66 pages of an argument which which we have already debunked. If you are capable of understanding what you read then you are capable of explaining it here, if it brings anything new to the table.

Who's twisting words?

a reply to: alienDNA

I see your made your mind up in the start and that's that, no room for discussion. Thanks for letting me know this much at least.

You do care though. You wouldn't be posting so much, involved with a subject that you didn't believe in, and people you apparently don't care for, if you didn't.

For what it's worth, it's not a meme. Maybe it's the possibility that we are telling the truth that scares you, and this causes you to care so much, to disprove it. I can tell you what I told naysayers on a previous Mandela Effect thread: this is not going away and will only get bigger because it has affected many, many people.

There are things in this world that creep me out, that creep anyone out. There are things I just don't want to hear about. But I do and I will and I have to accept that, for my own sake.

a reply to: In4ormant

I said that the argument that faulty memories explains the Mandela Effect away has been debunked. I never said anything against people having false memories.

a reply to: tweetie


CERN is as viable a possible accomplice in these affairs as anything else, though I doubt there is just one cause or element to pinpoint.

I have seen some of Photohelix's videos; anyone putting in the effort to take an honest approach to analyzing the phenomenon is worthy of admiration. There is a lot of interesting information in that video, though this long one would probably take multiple views to really absorb most of it. Some of the things I find interesting in it are the mentions of the black magician from Antioch who converted to Christianity, as well as the bits at the end about religion.

I have come to see a definite link between the Mandela Effect and the destruction of organized religion; insomuch as organized religion, including Christianity, must be destroyed in order to clear the way for humanity to ascend to a higher existence. This does not mean the Truth that Christianity is centered around must be destroyed; it means that Christianity itself - the religious institution - is what prohibits people from finding that Truth.

For anyone ingrained in Christian tradition, what follows here will take some fortitude to get through, but ride it out to see how the Mandela Effect relates to the necessary destruction of Christianity.

Biblically, there is no indication in the Gospels that Christ Himself ever used or promoted the term Christian. But in fact, the Bible tells us that term was first used at Antioch, after Christ was gone from the world and Paul (Saul) came into the fold:

25 Barnabas went out to Tarsus to look for Saul. 26 When he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. For a whole year they were gathered together with the assembly, and taught many people. The disciples were first called Christians in Antioch. (Acts 11)

What we will have to eventually come to accept is that Christianity is not of Christ, and does not truly represent Christ; it is a religious institution. What makes it a religious institution is its hierarchical structure of popes, bishops, reverends, priests, fathers, pastors, prophets, etc. All of these "ascended masters," so to speak, tell their flocks what is right and wrong, what the Bible really means, etc.

But there is one glaring problem with this.

Christianity is divided into thousands upon thousands of disagreeing denominations all preaching and teaching different "truths" in spite of the fact that they are all looking at the same book (the Bible). Every denomination that has ever been formed throughout the history of Christianity was formed by way of some scriptural disagreement. So, the fact that there are so many thousands of disagreeing denominations throughout it shows us that Christianity itself doesn't have a clue as to what the Bible really is, or what it is saying. (Christianity is BLIND.)

What the institution of Christianity has done is raised up Christ as a religious icon to be "worshipped" as something outside of one's own self. However, Christ Himself taught that Truth must ultimately be found within.

20 Being asked by the Pharisees when God’s Kingdom would come, he answered them, “God’s Kingdom doesn’t come with observation; 21 neither will they say, ‘Look, here!’ or, ‘Look, there!’ for behold, God’s Kingdom is within you.” (Luke 17)

So, we have the institution of Christianity telling people en masse, "You are laymen. Come into our buildings and sit in our pews, and let our 'experts' interpret and define truth for you. You cannot trust yourself to know the truth."

Hmmm.

Don't trust the Truth within; focus on things outside of yourself for your ultimate verification of truth.

Does this sound familiar?

"What does the EVIDENCE say? How can you claim to know what you know and ignore the EVIDENCE? Why won't you just admit you were wrong and accept this EVIDENCE, and that EVIDENCE, and this over here, and that over there? You can touch it and see it. It is tangible. Believe that, not what you think you know inside."

Interestingly and ironically, many of these "skeptics" are making accusations about ME'ers trying to start a religion or "cult" (I will get to annihilating their frivolous accusations in a following post) merely because of insisting on retaining the truth within. But in fact, they are the ones imposing more religious-like notions upon others by prohibiting them from holding to the truth within themselves, just as the Christian organization does.

8 But don’t you be called ‘Rabbi,’ for one is your teacher, the Christ, and all of you are brothers. 9 Call no man on the earth your father, for one is your Father, he who is in heaven. 10 Neither be called masters, for one is your master, the Christ. (Matthew 23)

6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father, except through me. (John 14)

Christ is the Truth. Where is Christ, the Truth?

Within!

So, what these staunch "skeptics" (at best) seem to be doing is compelling people to sever themselves from their inner-knowingness in favor of "tangible" things, or "proof."

This does go a bit deeper and involves the prototypical likeness of "Jesus" that has been ingrained into the collective consciousness of humans for centuries. That loving-looking chap in the white robe, with the beard and flowing locks. This again is an external image of something that is intangible and within. This is very important because there are some (Alex Collier comes to mind) who have a great deal of concern about "TPTB" using advanced technology to stage the "second coming." If people are clinging to the (idolatrous) external image of what they think "Jesus" is, as opposed to the true Christ within, their own inner-discernment, they are making themselves very vulnerable to such a deception, and likely to follow this "Jesus" into who knows where or what.

So, while there are probably sinister elements involved in this "Mandela Effect," it is likely also being used as a "sifting mechanism" to separate those who will stand with Truth in the face of any "evidence" that seems to indicate otherwise, from those who are content to simply say "well, I was sure I remembered it the other way, but this evidence tells me otherwise, so I'll just go with the evidence."

There is much more that can be said about all of this, but hopefully this was sufficient to shed some different light on what is going on with this phenomenon.

a reply to: LoneCloudHopper2

You didnt even read my reply.

a reply to: LoneCloudHopper2

It hasnt been debunked, becuase that is still what is happening. That is the only thing that explains it that has evidence to back it up.

a reply to: TombEscaper

Although I am still convinced this whole deal IS bad memories, spot on with your evaluation of Christianity

a reply to: tetra50

Heh, 'Mandala' Effect indeed!

I admit to being amused at the "My dream is more valid than your dream" arguments.

IF some of our material 'realities' (maybe we need a better term for our seemingly shared portion?) are changing, then my musings about consciousness tech might not cut it... unless the tech has moved past the core deep memory problem that seemingly kept some from being properly bamboozled.

If tech based, then it's a tech that might as well be magical, as retroactively changing atoms OR long term, deep memory over a broad swath of a population does indeed go into the realm of 'god-lite' power, time travel and general What the Fig-ness!?

Oh well... we're either in big trouble or waking up, ME validity or NOT, as usual, so nothing has really changed.

But I want my dilemna spelling back and at least whatever might be doing this has a sense of humor.

edit to add: and I'm surprised I haven't seen any references to Ursula K. LeGuin's "Lathe of Heaven" ... heh. I dunno, we tend to find answers with the things we think we know, of course, but I'm still wondering if the secret spacemen dream reapers are behind it in some struggle with the earthly power brokers... but not entirely seriously, as mistakes in memory are still far more probable ...despite being firmly in the bewildered camp on a couple things.

A moderator gave me permission to repost my posts here from a thread that was deleted yesterday.

Man claims his body and his previously done x-rays changed (Mandela Effect?)

The YouTuber in the first video below claims that he had x-rays done which had a certain body shape previously. He looked at them one day and the x-rays changed to the body shape which he goes on to describe. If I didn't know for a fact that the new body shape he describes in the video below is new to me as well, I would call him crazy as I'm sure many in this thread will.

This example goes way beyond "bad memory." As a matter of fact, anyone claiming that their body has changed shape at the bone structure level probably should be considered crazy. This is why I won't be telling anyone in my personal life about my ME beliefs. I'll just ask where they remember South America being. If they say it's always been to the southeast of North America, I won't mention it to them again. No one could miss that huge change. No one could miss the shape of the body changing either.

parallel universe Mandela effect real we have moved universes


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Many ME believers are reporting they have a new body shape.

Mandela Effect Human Anatomy has changed? Proof we were moved here?


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Mandela Effect - Human Body got an update, or?


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Mandela Effect - Heart & Stomach Anatomy part 1


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Mandela Effect - Heart & Stomach Anatomy part 2


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Human Anatomy Changes (Mandela Effect)


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Hello everyone, I am very interested to see how people respond to what another person and I have been looking into regarding a ME. This has taken the ME to another level for us. People have mentioned this before but it really never got anywhere. If you don't have memories of the human anatomy being different please don't discourage others from sharing there memories. This is all going to be controversial. We have been looking at the human body in depth for a couple days. It just doesn't look rite. The other person made a movie about our findings here: www.youtube.com... . Or Search YT for "Mandela effect the human anatomy has changed". It should come up. If you don't want to read this post watch the movie. It pretty much sums this all up. This is going to be long. I need to list all the differences we found.
Mandela Effect Human Anatomy and Bone Structure

I've been looking at the Halloween skeleton for my entire life. The rib cage didn't go all the way up to the collarbone. The obturator foramen didn't exist in my previous awareness. Those are two changes that are extremely obvious when comparing the old and the new Halloween skeleton. I don't see how anyone could miss these things.



You can assume a bad memory or you can assume ignorance or you can assume anything. None of that has any meaning whatsoever.

The man in the first video I linked to in the original post is claiming that his previously done x-rays changed to a new body shape that changed at the bone structure level.

The "bad memory" theory isn't going to work with that (unless his problem is so serious that he couldn't even make the videos that he has). Ignorance of his previously done x-rays isn't going to work because if his problem were that serious he couldn't even make the videos that he has.

So, I believe you've got to assume insanity or dementia or something like that. I'll be waiting for your new assumption(s).

a reply to: TombEscaper

Yes, memory slips are always a possibility, and nobody is claiming not to have them.

If memory slips and other misperceptions are a possibility, what need is there for a more complex theory?

Many of these objectors have just flat-out refused to acknowledge this, however. In reality, they don't, can't, or won't "get" the fact that there simply are many differing levels of certainty about different things.

Actually, you are the one who compares remembering how authors of children's books spell their name with the intimate familiarity of your immediate family.

They equate "I'm sure I know Depend has always been Depends" with "I can never be wrong about any single thing."

No, but an infallible memory and omniscient perception are necessary conditions for any explanation that assumes that memory error or mis-perception cannot be held responsible.

Their rationale is nonsensical and tunnel-visioned, and the staleness of it now stinks to high heaven. It is more than obvious that they continue to bang that gong for the sole reason of thread drifting and pointless squabbling.

Again, you cannot explain what is wrong with the commonsense, rational explanation, so you sling mud. This post will be reported to the Mods. If you think invoking an experience which you yourself admit everyone has had cannot explain the "phenomenon," please explain why.

And speaking of DependS, a corporate name change would naturally be the first thing to come to mind when seeing the s dropped, but the fact is, everything from the "Depends past" has changed. If you go to YouTube to find a commercial from any era, it has always been Depend. If someone has a package stored away that they remember purchasing as Depends, that same package will now say Depend.

As has been explained countless times, the product name has always been "Depend." "Depend" sounds reliable, "Depends" sounds conditional. One diaper is a Depend. More than one are Depends, hence, one thinks of purchasing a box of Depends.

It's a case where someone or something has found a way to manipulate physical, tangible reality from a higher plane which transcends physical, tangible reality.

Either that, or people were not paying a lot of attention.

Thankfully, however, there have been small amounts of "residue" that have somehow carried over from the "other" form of existence in which we remember these things.

Other than people accidentally thinking Rod Serling's name was Rod Sterling and the typo getting past the proofreader...?

Maybe they are mistakes that have slipped through the cracks. Maybe whatever is doing this is not being as thorough as necessary in order to really eliminate all evidence of the other reality.

Or maybe the mistakes are just that: mistakes. How is it possible for the entire universe, which, incidentally, contains you and the contents of your mind to change, while not also changing you and the contents of your mind?

Here is a very recent YouTube video that demonstrates this. I strongly encourage anyone to watch this, and contemplate for themselves the likelihood of a reputable, generations-spanning company failing to be consistent with their own brand name on their own label. If the Mandela Effect is a "Glitch in the Matrix," then these types of anomalies are surely "glitches within the Glitch."

So... you don't think there is any possibility whatsoever that the generations spanning company is being consistent and it is your perception and memory that is flawed? Again, omniscience and infallible memory are the necessary conditions for your belief to be true.

As for the name "Mandela Effect," I'm not big on that, because I think what is happening here is really beyond words or labels,

No it's not. "Mis-perceptions and faulty memories" describes it pretty accurately. The only mystery is why some charlatans are trying to talk it up.

but that is what most people are coming to know it as due to some anomalies surrounding Nelson Mandela's death.

There are no mysteries surrounding Nelson Mandela's death. He served as President of South Africa for years, as well as being a sort of good will ambassador with his lovely wife.

And, well, we have to call it something.

"Hoax" suggests itself. Remember 2012? The "Trumpets of Doom?" the "Mystery Missile?" By this time next year, there will be a new mystery fad.

I have found it interesting, though, that "Mandela" is very similar to "mandala." This "effect" has metaphysical, or cosmic, orchestrations written all over it.

No it does not. Why do you think something that can be explained by mis-perceptions and faulty memory, which you admit are possibilities, is in any way metaphysical or cosmic?

Sigh.
Reading the comments on those videos makes me wanna puke.
Straight up. If your bodies are changing, it would be sooo easy to prove it. How come noone cant?!
Seriously?

btw, the first guy you posted, is the same person who says he lost three of his kids in this dimension.
And this is the people you listen to.

a reply to: TombEscaper

Look within. Are you omniscient? Infallible? If you are, you are a god. If you are not, you are a human being. To err is human. If you are a human being, not a god, ask yourself: which is more likely: Everything in the entire universe has been changed but my fallible human memory, or I've made a mistake?

originally posted by: alienDNA
Sigh.
Reading the comments on those videos makes me wanna puke.
Straight up. If your bodies are changing, it would be sooo easy to prove it. How come noone cant?!
Seriously?

Because everything and everybody in the universe has changed except the memory of some random guy on YouTube, obviously.

This IS twilight zone, indeed. Im surrounded by complete and utter madness. What the # is going on.
Im leaning more and more on psychological warfare, and some sort of psychoactive drug is in play here.
This is BEYOND trolling and insanity.
This is serious.

a reply to: Profusion

That halloween skeleton looks like he is wearing a tie now due to the giant sternum. ....

If people dont see the changes though, they will never u derstand how wrong it looks.

And where is the rest of the worlds reports on this. Still seem to be only ENG speaking countries.
Sweden has yet to report anything, as far as domestic forums anyway.

Time to go full-on attackmode on this now, this aint right, on any level.
Whatever it is, its affecting ALOT of people, and its getting to the point where there is no way to shrug it off.

Whatever is causing people to believe their bodies has changed - we gotta get to the bottom of it.

I refuse to believe so many people just suddenly got a mass-psychosis. Theres more to it. There has to be.

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"The Mandela Effect - när ditt felaktiga minne är bevis för multipla universum"

translation:
"ME - When your fallible memory is proof for multiple universes"


This is swedens largest forum. This is all the interest, that the Mandala Effect has brought.
6 posts since april. Again, its a huge forum, where ALOT of conspiracy stuff is discussed, very actively.
And yet, 6 posts.
5 of which are "haha, what?" and the sixth just a troll comment basically.
I could translate them for you or just google translate..

Could we get some reports from other places in the world too, that would be great.

originally posted by: alienDNA

Time to go full-on attackmode on this now,

Oh? And I thought ATS was for discussion.

a reply to: LoneCloudHopper2

did I say otherwise?
attackmode as in attacking the subject from all angles, getting to the bottom of it

originally posted by: hidingthistime
a reply to: Profusion

That halloween skeleton looks like he is wearing a tie now due to the giant sternum. ....

If people dont see the changes though, they will never u derstand how wrong it looks.

Your "wearing a tie" comment made me laugh because the "tie" is so out of place. It looks ridiculous to me.

I've never studied the multiverse theory but I'm going to now.

It is important to keep in mind that the multiverse view is not actually a theory, it is rather a consequence of our current understanding of theoretical physics. This distinction is crucial. We have not waved our hands and said: "Let there be a multiverse". Instead the idea that the Universe is perhaps one of infinitely many is derived from current theories like quantum mechanics and string theory.
Scientists think they know how to test the parallel universes theory - for real

I have two theories about why there is a so-called "reality residue" (some artifacts left over from our previous reality) for us.

Theory #1 When we merged with this reality, it wasn't a complete merge and bits and pieces of our previous reality were transferred with us.

Theory #2 The advanced intelligence that holds the realities together (possibly "God") is sending us messages through the "reality residue" that we see so plainly.

"Life was like a box chocolates" Possible message: You're not in the Kansas you knew anymore.

"Depend(s)" Possible message: The people who were left behind were too dependent on the system.

"Froot Loops" Possible message: What was once natural like fruit is now unnatural like "froot" (whatever that is).

"Interview with the Vampire" Possible message: There is "the" (one) vampire and you should be aware of he/she/it.

"If you build it, he will come" Possible message: We can create our reality in a similar way to what's portrayed in "Field of Dreams."

"Sex and the City" Possible message: If "city" is metaphorical for this reality, are we having a sexual-type experience with everyone here?

"You're gonna need a bigger boat" Possible message: You're gonna need a bigger boat!

Seriously, "You're gonna need a bigger boat" could mean that we'll need a bigger and better understanding of the world to understand what's going on.

Separating the Mandela Effect From Memory

The following video introduces a concept called "reality residue." Whoever made the video searched for references to things being the way I remember them (for the most part, there are a few things I have no opinion on). They found references in old newspapers that would conclusively prove the Mendela Effect if the clippings are genuine. I wonder what the 'debunkers' would say if you could show them physical newspaper clippings that proved the Mendela Effect is real?

They would probably just keep making up theories out of nowhere. Have you noticed that's the common method of the 'debunkers' on this topic? They make up theories and claim them to be facts without a shred evidence. Then, they declare themselves to be the winner of the debate while they've done nothing but waste time. It's very childish and ridiculous but it's their typical method of operation on almost every topic so we shouldn't be surprised.

Mandela Effect Reality Residue Pt.1


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The following video offers great evidence for the Mendela Effect outside of memory. How in the world were spellings that are alternative currently the more popular searches in Google just a few years ago?

How will the 'debunkers' deal with this one? They have to make up "reasons" (i.e. assumptions) for each and every case. After you keep adding enough assumptions, the probability that you're right drops to nearly zero. That's the direction they're heading in.

Mandela Effect 003 - When did it start? - MultiEarth


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Guys, obviously the combinations of memories are due to Olivia Dunham and Peter Bishop succeeding in combining both of the nearby alternate universes. Together as one our universes were able to heal much faster from the damage that Walter caused then if they had been kept separate with a bridge leading to each one.