The Mandela Effect Can No Longer Be Denied: Berenstein Was The Tip of The Iceberg

I watched the video and it proves the guy let his memory play tricks on him. Bragg's indicates it's hers. Bragg is the brand name. It's not that difficult.

a reply to: TombEscaper

a reply to: Profusion

Are you serious.........?..... they changed the name to teenage waistland?...??????? Wth?????

I went to the WHO in 1992.... wth?

I have to look this up now, what a weird name if that is so...

a reply to: TombEscaper

This shows me without a doubt that you did not watch the video.

Why watch the video? Seriously, why watch the video? More importantly, how serious can your Gnostic Revelation be if it requires watching videos made by idiots on YouTube?

originally posted by: tigertatzen
a reply to: Profusion

I am not a christian, but I used to be, years ago...and I still would have wanted to hear what you've got to say.

I am very much a believer in what we call the Threefold Law, and always have been. I try really hard in life to always keep a positive attitude, because though we cannot control what happens, we can control our reaction to it, and I believe very strongly that if we put negativity out there, we invite more of the same. It almost always results in a poor choice, which sets us on a completely different path from that moment forward. The quote, "Be the change you wish to see in the world" has always been one of truth to me.

It sounds like we see things essentially the same way concerning creating reality.

Now I have to face what it means when you can wake up one day in a world with entire continents in different places, with new countries, with cities in completely different places, with a different world history, and apparently a different body. Any thoughts on that?

originally posted by: hidingthistime
a reply to: Profusion

Are you serious.........?..... they changed the name to teenage waistland?...??????? Wth?????

I went to the WHO in 1992.... wth?

I have to look this up now, what a weird name if that is so...

I couldn't believe that either. Who or what is doing the "changing"? Who is the "they" you referred to above?

originally posted by: LoneCloudHopper2
Everything else (my life and the lives of those around me) seems unchanged. It's as if certain details were altered, like data edits on a computer. This alters certain facts about the past, yet it does not change it.

Have you had any x-rays done recently? Our bodies are quite different, apparently. Is that not a big deal?

originally posted by: raymundoko
You are absolutely using an appeal to popularity...

In order for me to be using the appeal to popularity fallacy, I would have to be making an absolute statement about what is true.

All I did was state that it makes me feel better because I see others are agreeing with me. Haven't you ever heard the expression, "Is it just me or..."? Why do people use that expression? It's because knowing that their views are not only theirs makes them feel more comfortable.

If it's a fallacy to consider more testimony from different witnesses then every court in the world would be operating under a fallacy. More testimony from more credible witnesses builds a stronger case.

I feel like I'm being condescending explaining these simple things.

a reply to: alienDNA

Im leaning on "MK-ULTRA" v 2.0 or at least some sort of psychological warfare or "experiment".

I thought you were leaning towards us all being a bunch of nutbags?

Consistency is to be admired.

a reply to: Profusion

If it's a fallacy to consider more testimony from different witnesses then every court in the world would be operating under a fallacy. More testimony from more credible witnesses builds a stronger case.

Courts often do operate under fallacies. Witnesses have been known to lie, or remember events inaccurately, hence the trend towards genetic testing, video, etc.

I feel like I'm being condescending explaining these simple things.

How do you think the rest of us feel?

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

I have been leaning towards many things.
But since 2 days ago, Im considering this a psy-op. What it is, I dont know. That it is psychological, I am convinced.
That leaves only a few options.
And you guys are NOT insane, at least not in the "normal" psychiatric way.
I suspect you might have been affected with some sort of psychological warfare, yes.

Regarding consistency - so you mean its not normal to change ones mind, the more one learn?

I started writing in this thread cause I was fascinated with the effect. Since I myself had quite a few of my own.
After a few days though - I opened up to the possibility that its just something completely natural and explainable.
What happened then is all my MEs started to just melt away, and now they dont even seem like MEs anymore, just stuff I remember incorrectly, like so many others.
Its extremely easy to confabulate a E instead of an A - in Berenstain. For example.
All the geography discrepancies are the same. Now, the globe looks fine again.

Anyway - as the time went on from that - I started to try to wake you guys up to this.
But that was futile.
Again a few days passed, and now were here.

You are STILL convinced the reality has changed. So that got me thinking, wtf is going on here. I mean its obvious that the reality hasnt changed.
Not in actual real life it hasnt. Only in a few select thousands of people it seems to have. And yes, in relation to how many we are - a few thousand, lets say 50.000 - its not alot.

Its obviously psychological.

Which in turn lead me to conclude it has to be a psy-op of some sort. Psychoactive drugs maybe.



So again. Consistency? No.
Life is dynamic.
I changed my mind SEVERAL times this thread.. so.... your point again please?

a reply to: DJW001

Courts often do operate under fallacies. Witnesses have been known to lie, or remember events inaccurately,

Which is why more witnesses saying the same thing are considered more reliable.

hence the trend towards genetic testing, video, etc.

This doesn't apply in this case, so let's compare to a case in which there is only direct evidence from witnessses. If they have video or DNA proof, witnesses are not really needed.

a reply to: alienDNA

I suspect you might have been affected with some sort of psychological warfare, yes.

You are saying that my memories were changed by some black op? And this is not crazy?

a reply to: Profusion

But, apparently getting a new body and living in a world with new countries and new geography, I never saw that coming.

I know of the new geography and the new body, but it seems the experiences of new countries having popped up has eluded me, Maybe I have heard what countries people say weren't in their old realities and have just forgotten but could you please update me on what countries are new and didn't exist in the other realities some say they come from?

Thanks

This has been a very interesting exploration so far for me, barring the hostile takeover. LOL! Moving along...

I can't pinpoint when I noticed the change from Home Depot to The Home Depot but it was way before I came across the Mandela Effect. (Mandela, I wonder what you think of an effect being named after you and I hope we don't raise you from the dead by the mass invoking of your name!) It could be at least a few years ago.

I bought appliances online from Home Depot last year and received a lot of correspondence from them. Before that, I often caught audio of their commercials from hearing the TV or when I had the radio on. Home Depot tends to do intense periods of radio, internet and TV ads every so often; perhaps right before and during a season change if I really think about it. I'm still on their mailing list so every time I see The Home Depot name I am reminded it used to be Home Depot and I feel that little bit of disconcert. It's not a benign feeling for me, it's disconcerting. I'm still not used to it.

This differs for me from when I know I'm having a memory lapse and I can give an example of that if anyone is authentically and honestly interested for benign reasons.

The Home Depot name change didn't seem important enough then for me to make a notation of on my calendar as I do with many different types of things (I had no idea at the time of what I was going to come across down the road) but I do know I noticed the change. If you knew me in person you would soon realize exactly how much I notice.

I save my calendars in case I want to look up the date of something that occurred and my memory isn't cooperating. I recall my momentary jolt of surprise and subsequent thoughts that they must have changed their name but I hadn't seen or heard any announcement about it. The new name sounded odd to me then and still does. It was one of those hmm moments for me and I have a lot of those moments in this life.

Now, if I was going to talk to one of the company owners and this person told me Home Depot has always been called/named The Home Depot (visual and audio ads, logo) and never Home Depot then I'd have a lot more to say to this person. LOL!

originally posted by: CollidinParticules
a reply to: alienDNA

I suspect you might have been affected with some sort of psychological warfare, yes.

You are saying that my memories were changed by some black op? And this is not crazy?

isn't that a more plausible theory than jumping into new realities?

Its an idea that I have been entertaining for a while now, like the OP mentions being 'chosen' yes some might be chosen to be used, others might be chosen but unable to be manipulated, there are just as many that have said they have had similar experiences like remembering the name of movie or TV show being different to what its actually called or quotes from movies being different to what they actually are but they don't believe they are from another reality and conclude its simple human error that its so extensive in so many areas of human life that its simply normal to make such mistakes.

This is what is amusing by people that use the term Mandela experience believer, they have made it into another religious cult like belief like many before have with just about anything you can find in the alternate media be it UFOs, Nibiru, Chemtrails, etc etc.

I think people are having their minds played with and its the more susceptible minds that are easier manipulated, yes these people are certainly chosen.

a reply to: CollidinParticules

The problem is that witnesses in this case are completely unreliable! They even claim that the Berenstains are wrong about how their name is spelled!

a reply to: CollidinParticules

Your memories havent changed.
Nothing has changed.
You THINK they have.

Very different.
Since nothing HAS changed- yeah, the ME is most likely a psy-op of some sort.
How is it crazy though? MK-ULTRA Actually HAPPENED.
Not saying this IS like MK-ULTRA - but at this point, it wouldnt surprise me.

Edit:
I also said I SUSPECTED you MIGHT .
Suspected. Might.
If you are gonna accuse me of stuff at least use what I wrote, and not your confabulated version of it.

a reply to: LoneCloudHopper2

To me this is one of the most fascinating pieces to the Mandela Effect. If where a nation is located changes, or a state becomes a nation that before was not, this should result in insurmountable differences between two realities, but it does not seem to! Somehow, the flow (if you will) from the past we remember marches on, with only certain details changed, completely unaffecting the flow of life has we've known it to be!

(My emphasis)

So here's a few thoughts on the underlying mechanics of the ME.

Reality can be edited, as you suggest, with huge apparent differences in the 'scenery', but zero difference (generally) in the narratives.

The narratives apparently keep flowing, like a river will keep flowing, even if someone dumps a big rock in the centre. There's a bend, an arc around the rock (think Obama's speech about putting hands upon the arc of history), but the water itself, the general features of the river, and the general flow of water, remain unchanged. Anything that was floating on the river keeps flowing right along too, it just bends round the rock as the water molecules do.

Perhaps we are all like dust carried on the surface of the river (Time) - as the river is diverted, we just keep on flowing towards the destination. Just because someone threw a few obstacles in, doesn't change the shape of the river or the path it is travelling. This is quite a weak metaphor in several ways (I'm just throwing it out, without much forethought) - but perhaps we can start to consider Time to flow like the proverbial river, ever on towards the destination, even with a few bends around obstacles along the way.

Perhaps we could say that examples of the Mandela Effect are each an artefact, like a bunch of rocks tied together with twine, thrown into the river & separated out from one another along the river's course. The whole of the 'artefact' - several rocks tied together - is large, and stretches along quite a distance. Water flows around each individual part, and eventually traverses the whole of the artefact. At each point along the artefact, water molecules flow around something which is present, which is still connected to the 'past' (upstream), and which is connected to the 'future' (downstream). We look at the artefact from our point on the surface of the river and say that 'history has changed', because there are elements of the strange artefact further along upstream which appear to us different from the moment when we actually passed that part of the river, in our history. It (TIME/REALITY) has changed, but if we turn our heads to look back, all we can see is evidence of the presence of the artefact - we can't look back & see the previous moment in our history when that artefact did not exist. For better or worse, it's there now, and all evidence (our turning to look back) shows it having been back there, upstream, too. The past & present, and future, all tied up with the presence of this artefact, and none of us can cause the river to revert back to how it was before the artefact came to be deposited in the river.

As we journey along the river of Time, we are becoming aware that things can be changed retroactively - but without affecting the flow of Time, or the bulk of the narratives which were extant before the change occurred. The river more or less remains the same. The appearance of artefacts in Time, cannot be proven, and neither can it be disproven. Whether artefacts can be deposited in Time (whether the Mandela Effect is genuine) cannot be proven - it's a lot like the question of whether God exists, or doesn't exist. The only difference here, is that the evidence - in the case of the Mandela Effect - appears laden down upon the side of 'nothing has ever changed, no artefacts have been deposited in Time'. Memories are the ONLY type of evidence that can exist in the case of the Mandela Effect, unless there is some form of residue/ 'bleed through' of the old reality. All such residue will be disputed as erroneus by non-experiencers, for the simple reason that all other evidence - including their own memories - discounts the possibility of Time/Reality having ever been anything different.

Even if artefacts HAVE been deposited into the river of Time, those who haven't remembered the Time which we knew, (before the deposit was made) can never be made to see that anything has changed. All they can see is the evidence of the artefact further upstream in Time (for example, old TV commercials). We will forever be flogging a dead horse, even though philosophically - in this metaphor - the Mandela Effect could be a perfectly valid effect upon the type of Reality we inhabit, and perfectly possible, if the mechanisms were known. If, therefore, there is a force acting upon Time by depositing artefacts which alter our fundamental view of history, there is no way that we can ever convince non-experiencers of this fact, unless we convince them that pure logic permits it, and that our subjective memories appear to validate it. Even then, they would only be agreeing that in principle, the Mandela Effect may be real. They will never have personal evidence (memories) of the previously extant Reality.

I think this idea of artefacts being deposited in Time is quite possibly the closest analogy we can make. Whomever, or whatever, is doing this, has the ability to operate outside of strict linear Time. We are dealing with a force that is able to manipulate at least some manifest aspects of Time.





ETA - I left my computer for a while, and I was really thinking about the idea of Time as a river, of the flow, of the changes in the stream of the water particles & whatnot. I then came back to my computer, and was greeted by the following image:




Just about perfect for a sci-fi rendering of the Timestream...

a reply to: tweetie

I can't pinpoint when I noticed the change from Home Depot to The Home Depot but it was way before I came across the Mandela Effect.

The name hasn't changed, you just never noticed the definite article in the logo before:

www.homedepot.com...

Please stop driving each other crazy.

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: CollidinParticules

The problem is that witnesses in this case are completely unreliable! They even claim that the Berenstains are wrong about how their name is spelled!

I'll be skipping your posts from now on.

"Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth." - Arthur Conan Doyle

Well, multiple realities is not impossible. However, your explanation is impossible. Many of us would be considered to be fine witnesses in a court of law. That trumps your opinion by a few thousand light years.

originally posted by: CollidinParticules
a reply to: alienDNA

I suspect you might have been affected with some sort of psychological warfare, yes.

You are saying that my memories were changed by some black op? And this is not crazy?

The 'debunkers' are the "do as I say not as I do" type. Funny!

originally posted by: InhaleExhale
I know of the new geography and the new body, but it seems the experiences of new countries having popped up has eluded me, Maybe I have heard what countries people say weren't in their old realities and have just forgotten but could you please update me on what countries are new and didn't exist in the other realities some say they come from?

Thanks

Mongolia, the Faroe Islands, and the Principality of Andorra are new countries in my awareness. I found a new city today, "North Las Vegas." Las Vegas is my favorite city in the world, I've been there many times (before its new location). There is no way I could have missed "North Las Vegas." "Inner Mongolia Autonomous Region" in China is entirely new in my experience.

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

We are dealing with a force that is able to manipulate at least some manifest aspects of Time.

Exactly! It's called "the human mind."

a reply to: Profusion

"Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth."

So reality changing for lets call it 50.000 people - is more probable, than something happened to YOU?
Sigh. Another common theme between you ME-ers.
No freaking logic.

a reply to: Profusion

The 'debunkers' are the "do as I say not as I do" type. Funny!

What?