Abortion doctors would lose medical licenses under new Oklahoma bill

a reply to: windword

the one that is decreasing the population and causing the US to import cheap labor so they can lower wages even more??
the one that is freeing women up to compete for those good paying jobs?
the one that is enabling women to live independently?

a reply to: dawnstar



just a reminder how unwanted children have been treated in the past when they become too burdensome....

a reply to: Annee

"If you don't agree with slavery, don't own one."
"If you don't agree with murder, don't kill anyone."

That argument is ineffective. I believe an unborn baby has the same rights we all do.

Welcome to Oklahoma most of the people here are decent but we have elected some of the most bible thumping politicians ever.. I'll never forget Mary Fallins family values platform the irony in itself is great but hopefully she does have some common sense and doesn't sign it and worries more about the states budget

originally posted by: ArnoldNonymous
a reply to: Annee

"If you don't agree with slavery, don't own one."
"If you don't agree with murder, don't kill anyone."

That argument is ineffective. I believe an unborn baby has the same rights we all do.

One has nothing to do with the other.

Put your goalposts away.

originally posted by: Rocker2013

Hoe about all those ignorant, preaching, bible bashing freaks pass laws to provide PROPER SEX EDUCATION to their kids?

How about you keep that perverted, desensitizing, social engineering BS out of my kid's classroom?

How about they pass laws FOR FREE BIRTH CONTROL FOR ALL?

How about you pay for your own damn birth control?

How about they pass laws for PROPER BASIC SEXUAL HEALTH CLINICS?

How about you open one yourself?

But no, that won't happen, because the same people who want to end abortions are the same people who still stick to the bs notion that young women "praising Jesus!" is all the sex education they need, that "praying" is enough to prevent unwanted pregnancy in mothers barely able to look after themselves, that rape victims should just "deal with it".

Sorry, but this kind of religiously driven utter ignorance makes me damn mad.

Don't apologize, I'm a big fan of free expression (if treated fairly). Plus its not like I was ever going to respect you anyways.


What makes me damn mad is the only people that mention Jesus or the Bible in these threads are you little barking chihuahuas.

I don't need a book or a preacher to tell me that killing an unborn child is despicable. In fact, I bet there isn't a woman here that would look a 5 year old in the face and tell them they are about to walk into a clinic and have a doctor kill the baby they're carrying, That's because its wrong and you all know it.

originally posted by: Bone75
I bet there isn't a woman here that would look a 5 year old in the face and tell them they are about to walk into a clinic and have a doctor kill the baby they're carrying, . .

I wouldn't tell a 5 year old I was having a tooth extracted.

Ever heard of age of comprehension.

I wouldn't tell you either, because you lack comprehension.

a reply to: Bone75

Teaching safe sex is perverted?

That is the bs stigma we need to get rid of. Boys and girls are going to have sex, instead of acting like it doesn't happen let's teach them what happens when you do have sex and the parents can talk to you about if you should or should not be doing it.

a reply to: windword

I can understand abortion if the pregnancy is truly life threatening-but with all the birth control methods available these days it beggars belief how so many women still have unwanted pregnancies.

a reply to: Bone75

Whats wrong with free birth control for all???

And whats wrong with sex education???

I find abortion to be the most vile despicable act imaginable,so i am in favor of any damn thing that could prevent the need for it.If you really hate abortion as much as you claim to;why the hell would you be against measures that could prevent the need for it??Makes No sense.

a reply to: Raxoxane

If you really hate abortion as much as you claim to;why the hell would you be against measures that could prevent the need for it??Makes No sense.

Don't try and make sense of it, they don't want to talk about those kind of steps. They just want to dictate what other people do based on their personal beliefs.

Its not like these doctors will never be able to practice again.
They just move to another state and open a office while they sue the state of Oklahoma in federal court.

Many other states will never back the state of OK and many doctors have medical licenses in more then one state.

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: burgerbuddy

originally posted by: TerryDon79
a reply to: burgerbuddy

So a 13 year old has sex on the pill and uses a condom. Condom breaks. 13 year old gets pregnant as the pill is not 100%.

So that 13 year old should now have to give birth to a child and look after it?

How many 13 year olds do you know that are mature enough to take care of themselves, let alone a baby?

Lol, yeah, she does. 13? Really?

Seems like a baby would be the least of her problems.

And that, folks, is why the anti abortion crowd is a joke.

Punishing a child for something that wasn't her fault, but the fault of something that was supposed to prevent her getting pregnant in the first place.

I guess if a 13 year old was raped they should keep the child too?

?? Takes two to tango..

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: burgerbuddy

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: burgerbuddy

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: burgerbuddy

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: burgerbuddy

It comes back to personal responsibility, doesn't it?

Yes, woman choosing to have abortion because she's not ready to take care of a kid.

Most responsible thing a woman can do.

You know I think that's most seriously messed up, right?

Why? It's completely honest.

Name one unselfish reason to bring a child into this world.

Killing a baby is selfish.

When is the cut off date for you?

I think NOT getting knocked up, in the first place, would take care of all reasons for and against abortions.

A fetus is not a baby.

ASAP would be my recommendation. It is not my business to tell someone else their business.

We are humans - - not machines.

"Want to feel the fetus kick?" said no pregnant woman ever.

ASAP is the next best thing.

Yes and as humans, we should know better.

Know better then what?

"20 Million Dying of Starvation in Sahel Africa"

There are LIVING CHILDREN that need to be cared for.

So get on a plane and do something about it. Oh, you can't? Well I guess as long as you can type the above enough you've met your compassion quota for the day huh?

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: burgerbuddy

originally posted by: TerryDon79
a reply to: burgerbuddy

So a 13 year old has sex on the pill and uses a condom. Condom breaks. 13 year old gets pregnant as the pill is not 100%.

So that 13 year old should now have to give birth to a child and look after it?

How many 13 year olds do you know that are mature enough to take care of themselves, let alone a baby?

Lol, yeah, she does. 13? Really?

Seems like a baby would be the least of her problems.

And that, folks, is why the anti abortion crowd is a joke.

Punishing a child for something that wasn't her fault, but the fault of something that was supposed to prevent her getting pregnant in the first place.

I guess if a 13 year old was raped they should keep the child too?

?? Takes two to tango..

So youre not going to address the question either?

Meh I'm done.

If only certain 'clusters of cells' had be removed before they entered this thread.

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: burgerbuddy

originally posted by: TerryDon79
a reply to: burgerbuddy

So a 13 year old has sex on the pill and uses a condom. Condom breaks. 13 year old gets pregnant as the pill is not 100%.

So that 13 year old should now have to give birth to a child and look after it?

How many 13 year olds do you know that are mature enough to take care of themselves, let alone a baby?

Lol, yeah, she does. 13? Really?

Seems like a baby would be the least of her problems.

And that, folks, is why the anti abortion crowd is a joke.

Punishing a child for something that wasn't her fault, but the fault of something that was supposed to prevent her getting pregnant in the first place.

I guess if a 13 year old was raped they should keep the child too?

?? Takes two to tango..

So youre not going to address the question either?

It's a fallacious question so, no.

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: burgerbuddy

originally posted by: TerryDon79
a reply to: burgerbuddy

So a 13 year old has sex on the pill and uses a condom. Condom breaks. 13 year old gets pregnant as the pill is not 100%.

So that 13 year old should now have to give birth to a child and look after it?

How many 13 year olds do you know that are mature enough to take care of themselves, let alone a baby?

Lol, yeah, she does. 13? Really?

Seems like a baby would be the least of her problems.

And that, folks, is why the anti abortion crowd is a joke.

Punishing a child for something that wasn't her fault, but the fault of something that was supposed to prevent her getting pregnant in the first place.

I guess if a 13 year old was raped they should keep the child too?

?? Takes two to tango..

So youre not going to address the question either?

It's a fallacious question so, no.

It's not. It's a very valid argument as it does happen.

But just do as the rest of the anti abortion crowd does and side step it. Guess that makes the problems disappear, right?

a reply to: Bone75

School administrators say otherwise. In an email to parents the day the school board filed the lawsuit, Two Rivers Director Jessica Wodatch wrote that many parents have told staff how their children are upset and scared by the daily protesters. “It is heartbreaking that a small group of individuals are harming this environment by scaring students and yelling at children as they walk into school,” she wrote. “You’ve entrusted us with your children, and we hope that our action today will help restore our safe learning community.”

The lawsuit claims the protesters have threatened the school for failing to oppose the clinic’s construction. It includes an email sent to school administrators by Jonathan Darnel, a protester from Ohio.

“If you are failing to challenge Planned Parenthood, I feel a moral obligation to alert the community (including the parents of your students) myself,” he writes. “I’m sure you don’t want to see me, my anti-abortion friends and our graphics images any more than we want to be in your neighborhood.”

Darnel isn’t alone when it comes to his out-of-state interest in the Two Rivers’ new neighbor. None of the regular protesters being sued alongside Handy live in D.C., let alone in the Capitol Hill neighborhood.

Nonetheless, protesters say their presence is a way to educate the students about the issue. Georgette Forney, co-founder of the Silent No More anti-abortion campaign, said it wasn’t easy to explain abortion to her child, and she’s sure many parents feel the same way.

thinkprogress.org...

the email was kind of coercive in nature although I am not going to spend the time hunting it down. basically it seems to suggest that unless the school, the parents, AND THE KIDS, stood with them against planned parenthood, the harassment would continue.
so let's see, it's oh no, don't teach anyone's kids about safe sex, that's such a horrible idea, but then they are chasing kids down the sidewalk as they walk home from school, shouting at three year olds about how they are killing babies at the construction site next door, and trying to coerce the school into turning those kids in their army against planned parenthood...

the planned parenthood isn't even built yet, these people are targeting the school, the parents, the staff, and kids, some of which are preschoolers.
not only hypocritical but sickening!!!

a reply to: TerryDon79


oh, but don't ya know, that little nine year old girl in brazil was tangoing with daddy!! she just wanted so badly to have a cute set of twins before her age hit those double digits!!! how dare anyone decide that her life was more important than her dream and help to terminate that blessed pregnancy. the catholic church thought it was so horrible that they did that they excommunicated the doctors and nurses for doing it... and of course like the sexual predators in the church, well dear daddy didn't do anything close to being that bad by implanting his seed into the girl to begin with! the church didn't see fit to punish daddy one bit, the gov't did at least, but the church saw fit to only punish the ones who probably saved the girl's life!

no, I don't want to fund sex education!
no, I don't want to fund planned parenthood.
no, I don't want to provide insurance that provides birth control!

but funding large chains of hospitals that run on outdated religiously motivated care and aiding in those chains to aquire more and more hospitals.... oh ya, please, I have no problem funding these hospitals that are endangering women's lives!!!

after all ya know, life is so sacred, at least till it's born, and then well, if that life happens to be female then all that sacredness vanishes once she reaches puberty and becomes pregnant!