Trump: Transgender people can use whatever bathroom they want

a reply to: WeAre0ne

Are you aware of the difference between transvestites and transgender people? "Men dressed in drag" would not be allowed in anyway.

originally posted by: WeAre0ne

originally posted by: Annee
Predators have never been legal.

And, guess what, they still aren't.

You don't get it do you. Right now, its neither legal nor illegal for a predator of one sex to enter a bathroom of the opposite sex. If we pass laws to make it legal for these transvestites, well guess what, predators will be legally allowed to enter these bathrooms too...

Is that what you want?

You don't get it. Transgenders have been using the restrooms all along. Transgenders are not predators.

Predators have been doing what they do all along. And will continue to do what they do.

I was born and raised in Los Angeles. All my life I've been hearing about the "Big One".

There's more real possibility of the "Big One" then there is of a man dressing like a woman to rape her in the restroom. Especially now that people are watching for it.

Living with paranoia stops you from living.

Isn't there something a little more important out there than who is gonna go where?

Use the handicap bathroom at a public place.

If someone is crossdressing and out and about, it's probably somewhere where they are comfortable and there is no real problems for them.

If the transgenders are out and about, it's because they can pull it off and there should be no problem anywhere.

Fully transformed? Post SRS, no problem at all.

All this BS will not stop rapists and pervs, anyway.

I almost started a new thread about this but what I'm going to share here is in direct response the things Trump said about transgender people using the bathroom.

I think this is absolutely evil and hateful and about as low of a scum sucking, bottom of the barrel thing you can do. Mr. Cruz, you are a first class a-hole #1) for appropriating transgender people as your political pawn and #2) for being such a total d!ckhole hateful bigot, homo/trans phobic son of a beech and #3) pandering to your ultra-fanatic Christian Jihadists with something that has already proven to be lies. This man does not deserve in any way shape or form to be the president of this my country.

The first statements in this video ask:

• Should a grown man
  
• Pretending to be a woman
  
• Be allowed to use the woman's restroom
  

I don't give a damn how you feel about transgender people but this "political ad" is reprehensible. If this was about black people using the white people's restroom, wouldn't it be seen as racist and horrific? What's the difference? It just promotes hate, bigotry and prejudice and I just want to vomit. Or cry? No group needs to be unjustly demonized like this.

As a society aren't we sick and tired of people to tying to polarize and divide us? Look at the way the entire world is now looking at North Carolina as the hate and discrimination capitol of the country and at the backlash by corporations, performers and good peoples all across America. Do we want that from sea to shining sea? Are we going to target gay people next? Irish people? Muslims or Mexicans? Oh wait.

Is this type of person, that uses transgender people or any minority group as tools to rally the scared, hateful and uninformed for their own political gain really the type of person we want running this country? This ad is the act of a pathetic sniveling dirt bag. Keep your damn Christian Sharia laws and your warped fundamentalist morality our of my government.

Please don't ask me what I really feel.

Ted Cruz, A Troll, Releases Anti-Trans Ad Supporting Discriminatory Bathroom Laws



BTW, the North Carolina legislature resumes tomorrow (Monday) and I've received notice from several groups calling for protest. It should be interesting.

a reply to: burgerbuddy

The problem with requiring SRS is the economic restriction and risk. It can cost anywhere from 15000-25000 USD, and comes with a whole host of risk. Lose of sensation, inability to orgasm, closure leading to more surgery and more money and risk, infection, and makes the person dependent on hormone replacement therapy. A good number of people who would go all the way, end up not because of those risk. The cost is also prohibitive to a large chunk of the population, homelessness rates and poverty rates are much higher.

I personally do not want the surgery until it is completely functional and comes with minimal risk.
That being said, IF the line has to be drawn somewhere then simply undergoing therapy and prescribed treatment for X amount of time, I would say 1 year from the time one starts hormone replacement therapy. That already has a medical requirement of 3 months therapy prior to physician prescribing. The extra time of a year would probably fulfill itself for anyone undergoing hormone replacement therapy, as it takes quite some time from changes to occur and be noticeable. I was on hormones for at least a year before sir became m'am when people would ask for help when they would come into the store I worked in. During that time period I didn't even dare try to go into women's restroom.

So lets say hypothetically, there is some crazy guy who goes through all that, just short of any kind of surgery. They would already have numerous issues, such a breast development, loss of muscle mass and strength (I loss 30 lbs of muscle within 4 months of starts estradiol and anti androgen), potentially infertility. Even better, their sex drive will, on average, be pretty diminished relative to before (potentially destroying all desire they had before). Also, hypothetically they could end up actually developing gender identity issues, the only case I know of is a woman who took a ton of testosterone for body building started developing facial hair and a deep voice was diagnosed with gender identity issues.

While this requirement would still block the few who choose not to take hormones (there are some and we can find ways around this like extended therapy or something else) it would prevent a large majority from having cost forced upon them just so they can go in public without constantly thinking "I wonder if I'm going to be attacked for going to either restroom"

Sorry about the long response, it was just to the SRS side of it, and I want this point of view seen in general. Otherwise, I agree with you completely, crossdressers do it by choice so they have no argument(honestly I don't think they are complaining anyways) and they know the risk anyways. Also this isn't going to stop someone, who is intentionally committing a crime from committing said crime, and arguing "I'm in the right restroom I'm transgender" doesn't change the fact you committed a crime.

I love the point you made about there being more important things. I get so frustrated over, politicians, people we employ, using this topic and others like it to distract from the terrible job they are doing. It's sick that they are taking advantage of people's ignorance and emotions about a topic in order to forward their own agenda, which in the past, across the spectrum, has been against the good of society. (not to mention increasing problems for the scapegoats in the form of violence and discrimination) I don't know what your views are, but I can say (with a 95% CI) that what we have now is, in the famous words of Danny DeVito "Trash"

So, a presidential candidate states that he will follow the law and you have a problem with it?


Who are you supporting now?

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: WeAre0ne

originally posted by: Annee
Predators have never been legal.

And, guess what, they still aren't.

You don't get it do you. Right now, its neither legal nor illegal for a predator of one sex to enter a bathroom of the opposite sex. If we pass laws to make it legal for these transvestites, well guess what, predators will be legally allowed to enter these bathrooms too...

Is that what you want?

You don't get it. Transgenders have been using the restrooms all along. Transgenders are not predators.

Predators have been doing what they do all along. And will continue to do what they do.

I was born and raised in Los Angeles. All my life I've been hearing about the "Big One".

There's more real possibility of the "Big One" then there is of a man dressing like a woman to rape her in the restroom. Especially now that people are watching for it.

Living with paranoia stops you from living.

if you supplant lawful ownership of firearms with rape, we are in complete agreement with both subjects.

originally posted by: notmyrealname
So, a presidential candidate states that he will follow the law and you have a problem with it?

Who are you supporting now?

Won't be law long. With the 4th Circuit of Appeals decision on the Gavin Grimm case, things don't look good for North Carolina's $4.5B in federal education funding.

I'm not supporting any candidate.

BREAKING: Federal Appeals Court Sides With Transgender Teen, Upholds Protections in Historic Ruling

The 4th Circuit Court of Appeals has just ruled that federal civil rights laws include transgender people in cases involving education discrimination. The 2-1 ruling is in a Title IX case involving a Virginia transgender boy suing for the right to use the boys' restrooms at his school. It affirms the Obama Administration's interpretation of Title IX, that discrimination against transgender people is sex discrimination, and reverses an earlier dismissal of the student's claim

Incidentally, there are already 17 states and 255 city ordinances that permit transgender people to use whatever bathroom matches who they are as people.

--edit--
I'm down with the gun ownership thing. I have several and am a former range member.

originally posted by: notmyrealname

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: WeAre0ne

originally posted by: Annee
Predators have never been legal.

And, guess what, they still aren't.

You don't get it do you. Right now, its neither legal nor illegal for a predator of one sex to enter a bathroom of the opposite sex. If we pass laws to make it legal for these transvestites, well guess what, predators will be legally allowed to enter these bathrooms too...

Is that what you want?

You don't get it. Transgenders have been using the restrooms all along. Transgenders are not predators.

Predators have been doing what they do all along. And will continue to do what they do.

I was born and raised in Los Angeles. All my life I've been hearing about the "Big One".

There's more real possibility of the "Big One" then there is of a man dressing like a woman to rape her in the restroom. Especially now that people are watching for it.

Living with paranoia stops you from living.

if you supplant lawful ownership of firearms with rape, we are in complete agreement with both subjects.

I am a gun owner.

I am sick of gun rights being interjected into every subject/thread where they don't belong.

This is not about gun rights. This has nothing to do with gun rights.

a reply to: Power_Semi

lofl, you cannot just change the definition of bigot

I can't understand how on this site, of all web sites, it's not acknowledged that all of this bathroom nonsense is clearly just a standard distraction to keep people at each others throats.

And I'm also truly amazed at how many cowards are active on this site these days.

originally posted by: wheresthebody
I can't understand how on this site, of all web sites, it's not acknowledged that all of this bathroom nonsense is clearly just a standard distraction to keep people at each others throats.

And I'm also truly amazed at how many cowards are active on this site these days.

This is real life for some people.

Not everything is a conspiracy.

originally posted by: WeAre0ne

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: WeAre0ne

I'm curious. Honest question. What will a predator do in there? Crawl under stalls? Stand on toilet to look down in the next stall? Use mirrors? Waiting in there for a long time? All without being noticed?

Most likely they would do what they have been doing for years now (documented cases). Use video cameras to film victims over or under stalls while they undress. Break in the doors of stalls and sexually take advantage of the person while their pants are down. Or even worse, lock the door (if lockable) and trap the victim in, and rape or kill the victim. Again, these are all documented things that have actually happened FYI.

It's usually noticeable when a man walks into a woman's bathroom, it raises alarms, most of the time before the crime takes place. But if you pass a law to let the mentally ill dress as opposite sex and enter the bathroom, well, then we shouldn't worry when we see a man dressed in drag entering a woman's bathroom. Good times ahead for predators.

I see your "solution" as a bigger problem.

As things currently are, spotting a person sneaking into the wrong restroom is pretty easy. What you endorse is forcing trans men back into the ladies room, so that seeing a buff guy with a beard is no longer a shock. Pervs won't need to dress up, they'll just walk right in claiming they're trans men, and unless the government requires we all carry our birth certificates, you'd have no way to prove they're not using those facilities in accordance with the law.

I'm not really sure why you're obsessed with who uses what restroom, but I will say that in all my years on this earth, I've never had an issue with a transgender woman in the ladies room. I don't have a transgender restroom problem, I have a problem with people that are trying to regulate access to facilities that should be PUBLICLY available to all that need it.

originally posted by: ReprobateRaccoon
I have a problem with people that are trying to regulate access to facilities that should be PUBLICLY available to all that need it.

Yes, we really need to move beyond public restrooms being "private sanctuaries". They're not.

We need to see them for what they are and what they're meant for.

Human waste is a health issue. Access to restrooms is vital to all of society. It's not an Exclusive Club.

a reply to: Annee

I was just illustrating the same old tired mantra being used to justify the stifling of personal rights. The fact that people should be allowed the right to self determine in all ways unless it intends to harm another is what I was trying to say.

originally posted by: Annee
Yes, we really need to move beyond public restrooms being "private sanctuaries". They're not.

Have you lost your mind? You want to remove privacy from bathrooms? You are crazy.

I can't even respond to the rest of the crazy in this topic. This world has gone mad.

You want fake women in the women's room, and fake men in the men's room? Go for it. Have at it. You want people to be able to use whatever restroom they see fit? Go for it. Have at it.

History will just repeat itself, and you will all find out why bathrooms were separated to begin with... again... then years from now it will be changed back... who knows, maybe in the future you will have to put your finger inside some scanner and get a DNA test to prove you are male or female before entering the damn bathroom. Heck who need privacy... right?

originally posted by: WeAre0ne
You want fake women in the women's room, and fake men in the men's room? Go for it. Have at it. You want people to be able to use whatever restroom they see fit? Go for it. Have at it.

History will just repeat itself, and you will all find out why bathrooms were separated to begin with... again... then years from now it will be changed back...

Doubt it.

I expect there will be more unisex restrooms.

a reply to: Annee

Right up until women start protesting because they don't feel comfortable with men creeping on them while they try to use the restroom.

That is the main reason this public park I live near went from unisex to split bathrooms. Now people want it to be changed back? .. have fun with that.

May 13, 2016

It looks like President Obama agrees with Donald Trump. That's not a good sign!

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