Saudi Arabia Warns of Economic Fallout if Congress Passes 9/11 Bill

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: StallionDuck
Question:

How would Saudi benefit from 9/11?

Terrorist cells would have their own twisted purpose but why would a country get involved? What was their MO? Surely they would have to have some kind of motivating factor.

Economic destabilization. If they want to weaken us (especially with us now being a major oil exporter) hurting our economy is a good way to do it.

They could have done that easily without planes. They're doing it now with oil. If 9/11 was a plot to destabilize the country, they failed miserably.

Still... No one is showing me any ties, facts or absolutely anything that I can go off of. Zip It's like asking for proof of NIbiru.

originally posted by: luthier

Classic regressive left response.

Classic senseless response. I am not a defender of Saud. You even attack those who sit in jail for trying to change Saudi society.
You also don't realize that your politicians, who sit in the pool with Saudi princes, won't change their bad behaviour if Saudi Arabia is bombed away. You still have those guys on your back and they still rule you.

originally posted by: Vector99

No the real issue is what luthier said is the truth, and the US is supposed to be like oh gee noooo, they are good people.

Yes, the real problem are the US gee noooo people.
But you don't get rid of them by killing innocent Saudis.

originally posted by: StallionDuck


They could have done that easily without planes. They're doing it now with oil. If 9/11 was a plot to destabilize the country, they failed miserably.

Still... No one is showing me any ties, facts or absolutely anything that I can go off of. Zip It's like asking for proof of NIbiru

Who stands to gain the most from the US military being engaged in the middle east for the next 30 years?
Answer that question and you have your culprits behind 9/11.

originally posted by: Siddharta

originally posted by: luthier

Classic regressive left response.

Classic senseless response. I am not a defender of Saud. You even attack those who sit in jail for trying to change Saudi society.
You also don't realize that your politicians, who sit in the pool with Saudi princes, won't change their bad behaviour if Saudi Arabia is bombed away. You still have those guys on your back and they still rule you.

I didn't say bomb them away. I said hit the self destruct button on planes we sold them.

Their society is terrible and it goes well beyound the government and theocratic rule.

And yeah I think we should not be involved with them at all.

So I can't have disdain for the US politics and Saudia Arabia? Good to know.

At least the majority of the people in the US know its wrong to rape women who aren't out in public without male escorts.

The only innocent people as far as I am concerned are those in jail for rising up against the societies morals and the immigrant workers. The rest can go to.....well they already live there so..

Who are these innocent Saudis? I mean there could be a couple dozen I guess. The innocent ones you speak of are in jail. They won't be getting prosecuted by the US.

Regressive left are those who believe in multiculturalism at any cost. Even if it means accepting a culture that marries children, subjugates women, and kills Atheists and apostates.

originally posted by: StallionDuck
Question:

How would Saudi benefit from 9/11?

Terrorist cells would have their own twisted purpose but why would a country get involved? What was their MO? Surely they would have to have some kind of motivating factor.

The same thing that motivates Al Queda, Boko Harem, ISIS, Muslim Brotherhood and all muslim terrorists.

The ultimate mandated goal of Islam - a worldwide caliphate and the elimination of all kufr/infidels/apostates.

a reply to: luthier

You should think about your position in life again. Maybe you could be a nice guy and helpful to others.
Right now you seem to defend your position as - a very bad person, I may not call by it's name because of the rules of this board. Keep trying to find the truth!

originally posted by: JAY1980

originally posted by: StallionDuck


They could have done that easily without planes. They're doing it now with oil. If 9/11 was a plot to destabilize the country, they failed miserably.

Still... No one is showing me any ties, facts or absolutely anything that I can go off of. Zip It's like asking for proof of NIbiru

Who stands to gain the most from the US military being engaged in the middle east for the next 30 years?
Answer that question and you have your culprits behind 9/11.

Yeah still no substance there. We're paying for our military to be there. How does that help us?

Has to be something with real substance. I've been reading more and more into this since I've started questioning this issue and I've found a lot of information. I know why I didn't know anything about the ties here but it surprises me that no one else does either. I've still a ways to go in digging into this story. If I have some time during work tomorrow, I'll post what I can of my findings.

It has nothing to do with the military being in Iraq for any amount of time... It has everything to do with Bin Ladin and his ties to the royal family and his being really upset of the 'false muslims' in power over Saud who was giving bunking room to the US armed forces at the time. It's a really deep story and lots of royal blood died for it in what seems like a clean up attempt after the fact. Sure, our government probably knew about it but covered it up to stop some close allies in the royal family from getting dirt on their clean robes. Saud seemed to have cleaned up the internal mess themselves by eliminating the persons inside the royal blood line who had anything to do with it. Bin Ladin's thing was war against the infidel and if Saud didn't fund it, he would take his rockstar status and use it to create a civil war in Saudi Arabia. Sooo... Some of the royals funded his attack. It's a good story. Totally Tom Clancy worthy!

That's pretty much it in a nutshell.

originally posted by: Deny Arrogance

originally posted by: StallionDuck
Question:

How would Saudi benefit from 9/11?

Terrorist cells would have their own twisted purpose but why would a country get involved? What was their MO? Surely they would have to have some kind of motivating factor.

The same thing that motivates Al Queda, Boko Harem, ISIS, Muslim Brotherhood and all muslim terrorists.

The ultimate mandated goal of Islam - a worldwide caliphate and the elimination of all kufr/infidels/apostates.

Nah.... Saudi Royals are more sophisticated. They're too westernized. Read my recent response above.

You can't just assume that all people in the middle east are like the terror groups we're dealing with. Those guys even have their own reasons that has NOTHING to do with Saudi Arabia.

I think you guys are just assuming that all terrorist are the same and for no good reason than to goto Allah. That's just ignorant. There is an MO for EVERYTHING. People don't just do $#!^ just to do it. C'mon man. Didn't life teach you anything?

originally posted by: draoicht
So the Saudis are going to sell off their US assets? Who will buy them?

Will the Saudis have to sell at a loss? Will their assets be seized as compensation?

Does this "attack" on the US economy give the next president an excuse to "defend" America from the "nation responsible for 911 and Daesh"?

The Saudis are not the great strategists they seem to imagine themselves.

The systematic destruction of middle eastern countries leaves only them and Iran with any military capability.

Would the Iranians help defend the Saudis against "regime change"?

On Boy....such good questions , well said and asked ! I've come to believe that not only the Saudis are not great strategists, neither are the Bushes and Clinton's...I don't even know what to say about Obama at this point....it's an absolute slap in the face to the rest of the World when the "Kingdom" won't lift a finger to help the legitimate victims of wars they benefit from......and although I'm a strong Bernie supporter....I think legitimate concerns about people entering our Country legally is important to National Security.

Trump isn't the first person to advise caution with immigration...even Jimmy Carter halted all immigration from Iran during that whole mess....

On the one hand, this is just the Saudi's being sold out.

On the other hand, i live in West Texas. DRILL BABY DRILL!!!!

a reply to: StallionDuck

You should educate yourself before labelling others as ignorant.

All of the groups I listed have clearly stated their main goal is the caliphate.

You might want to start your apocalyptic islam education with this article from the Atlantic.

What ISIS Really Wants

www.theatlantic.com...

Islamic State is no mere collection of psychopaths. It is a religious group with carefully considered beliefs, among them that it is a key agent of the coming apocalypse. Here’s what that means for its strategy—and for how to stop it.

originally posted by: Siddharta
a reply to: luthier

You should think about your position in life again. Maybe you could be a nice guy and helpful to others.
Right now you seem to defend your position as - a very bad person, I may not call by it's name because of the rules of this board. Keep trying to find the truth!

Oh I have. Maybe you should get from behind your computer and travel some to get a clue before you start making judgements about people yourself.

I spent 6 months in India when I was 19. Went to Bihar while I was there though you probably need to open an atlas to figure out why I even mentioned this.

When I was in college for my philosophy degree I was a division 1 NCAA wrestler and was an alternate on the US judo team. I went to Russia, Turkey, and Abu Dhabi for judo and BJJ.
The last 15 years I have been a coach for kids and adults judo and wrestling. I teach wrestling afterscool, purposely at one of the crappiest schools in South Carolina for free. Where I also teach antibullying tacticts. Thats just for charity. I am a sound engineer and guitar maker for a living.

So try again bud. Maybe read up in your avatar or try Jainism if that's not working for you.

Saudi Arabia is a filthy nasty place as far as people go. Seeing as I saw first hand what women have to do when they compete even in Abu Dhabi I can tell you your idealism is what gets women raped in Europe. Some people just suck. Saudi Arabia is full of those people.

Saudi Royal Ties to 9/11 Hijackers Via Florida Saudi Family?

This is what a lot of this is all about. A young Saudi Family in Florida where said to possibly be a “… nerve center for the entire operation.” of 911...Apparently this family with connections to the Saudi Royal Family suddenly fled a house in Florida 2 weeks before 911 in haste.

“Phone records showed communication, dating back more than a year, that connected those in the house with the alleged plot leader, Mohammed Atta and his accomplices, including eleven of the other hijackers.

Other records, kept by guards at the gated community, documented numerous visits to the house by a vehicle known to have been used by Atta, and indicated the physical presence in the car of Atta’s purported accomplice Ziad Jarrah. It appeared as if the Ghazzawi house was some kind of nerve center for the entire operation.

Apparently they fled in a panic just before the high-jackers were entering the US

“there was mail on the table, dirty diapers in one of the bathrooms … all the toiletries still in place … all their clothes hanging in the closet … opulent furniture, equal or greater in value than the house … the pool running, with toys in it….The beds were made … fruit on the counter … the refrigerator full of food.

Secrecy Reveals Little Official Curiosity—or Coverup?

These stunning revelations—said to be based on the work of the swarm of FBI agents who descended on the gated community in the fall of 2001—would surely have generated headlines worldwide if they had become known after 9/11. But the FBI, for reasons unknown, failed to provide the information to Congressional 9/11 investigators or to the presidential 9/11 commission, and thus it has remained a secret for the past decade.

In response to the Herald article, the FBI has issued a statement saying that the occupants of the house had been tracked down and interrogated, and were found to have no connections to the hijackers. It is not clear when these interrogations are supposed to have taken place, or whether they were conducted by the FBI or by Saudi intelligence. But given the FBI’s poor track record for candor in the matter, the statement is being viewed with some skepticism.

This story is not new but seems to be what much of this is all about.

At the time of 911 we all remember the care the Bush regime took to sheltering important Saudis out of the country to avid them being questioned.

This family had fled 2 weeks before that....

Don't forget that. . .

Saudi Arabia has nuclear weapons.

originally posted by: SophiaEveLee

Don't forget that. . .

Saudi Arabia has nuclear weapons.

You may be right. Do they have a delivery system?

Will the "Chosen Race" wait for them to develop one?

The Saudis are confused about the difference between Money and Power.

I think that Washington and Tel Aviv have spent years patiently destroying the middle east and the Saudis are too arrogant to see the trap.

Russia and China don't love their Wahabi extremists either.

originally posted by: Grimpachi
This is just another reason the US should invest in renewables.


If we didn't need their oil or oil companies we could tell them to F## off.

Normal people would think this way, but then you have to wonder why obama stonewalls any attempt to drill off our shores, Keystone pipeline, kill the coal industry, fracking, ect.

originally posted by: Siddharta

originally posted by: Vector99

No the real issue is what luthier said is the truth, and the US is supposed to be like oh gee noooo, they are good people.

Yes, the real problem are the US gee noooo people.
But you don't get rid of them by killing innocent Saudis.

I get what you are saying i really do, it is just hard to call someone innocent when their entire upbringing and education revolves around violence and terrorism. That literally is SA education. We should have been bombing them from the start, but no, that's where boogie-men are created in the literal sense.

Now with reality in mind, it really is hard to call an average saudi male a bystander. The ones that disagree with the terroristic nature of the country itself usually leave. SA is not North Korea where that isn't possible. Saudi's know damn well what there government stands for and they obviously don't disagree otherwise they would leave on their own free will.

It's a rabbit hole.

Is Saudi involved? Maybe.

You have to then ask the question ...

Who asked or got Saudi Arabia involved? Who gave Saudi Arabia the idea to be a participant in 9/11?

The story doesn't end at Saudi Arabia, there were/are probably people behind Saudi Arabia's involvement. Saudi Arabia is just the next person up on the chain.