Saudi Arabia Warns of Economic Fallout if Congress Passes 9/11 Bill

originally posted by: Siddharta

originally posted by: onequestion
Bomb them.

Not the people just the Royal house.

Don't you try this all the times and hit more innocent civilians than thugs?
I would suggest you don't invite them to the next game of golf or close all McDonald's in Saudi Arabia in revenge.

Well in Saudia Arabia the innocent civilians are also thugs.

originally posted by: TechniXcality
a reply to: Profusion

i just thought Micheal moore was a fat idiot banking on Americans discomfort

I just thought he was a guy who gets the truth out even it if puts him in danger.

Either of us could be right or wrong.

originally posted by: luthier

Well in Saudia Arabia the innocent civilians are also thugs.

That's the way of thinking that makes the whole world believe all Americans are thugs.

The real problem that we have is that too many people want to kill too many people. Maybe we don't have this problem anymore when enough people killed enough people. But for some enough is never enough.

Let me just say....[SNIP!]...jam a plane and disappear...if you believe its over think again. And now....

1. You must believe that a 757 crashed into the Pentagon and
disappeared without a trace, a violation of the laws of physics,
specifically, the conservation of matter and energy.
2. You must believe that soft aluminum can penetrate hard steel
despite the fact that if that were so Wenger would make the blades of
its Swiss Army knives of Aluminum. They don’t!
3. You must believe that for some weird and un-recorded reason
airlines decided to press into service flights that had not/were not
scheduled to fly (mothballed) for some six months.
4. You must believe that Arab hijackers were either ‘raptured’ or
jumped out of Flt 77; there are absolutely no Arab names on the
official autopsy report, no hard or admissible evidence that they
ever existed.
5. You must believe the aluminum body of a 757 vaporized as no scrap
traceable to an airliner of any sort was ever found at the Pentagon.
6. You must believe that Hani Hanjour got on board without a ticket
and without creating any kind of suspicion prior to his boarding.
Perhaps he made himself invisible!
7. You must believe that Hani Hanjour, like David Copperfield, walked
through a closed door! NTSB data released via an FOIA proves that the
cabin door was never opened during the flight. How did Hani get in?
For that matter –how did he get on board? There is, in fact, no
evidence whatsoever that he did! Nor is his name or the names of any
other ‘terrorist/Arab’ to be found on the only official list of
passengers –the OFFICIAL autopsy report.
8. You must believe that Flt 77 managed to manifest itself in two
places at the same instant: NTSB puts Flt 77 at some 200 ft above the
Pentagon at the time of impact.
9. You must believe that because no fuselage traceable to a 757 was
ever found at the Pentagon, it must have ‘vaporized’ in the heat.
10. You must believe that the source of that heat was greater than
that on the surface of the sun itself –some 10000 degrees F. Al will
not vaporize at temperatures less than 11000 degrees F!

And while believing that the fuselage vaporized, you must also believe
that victims were DNA identified. But –how is that possible? DNA
literally melts at varying temps between about 400 to 500 degrees F.

So –which is it? Were they DNA ID’d? Or did the Aluminum fuselage
vaporize?

a reply to: yProfusion

Saudi Arabia should be worried. The shift towards renewable energy and the condemnation of their outrageous laws could eventually break the camels back-However they have one ally that is willing to bend the knee. Your move Putin.

originally posted by: Siddharta

originally posted by: luthier

Well in Saudia Arabia the innocent civilians are also thugs.

That's the way of thinking that makes the whole world believe all Americans are thugs.

The real problem that we have is that too many people want to kill too many people. Maybe we don't have this problem anymore when enough people killed enough people. But for some enough is never enough.

Classic regressive left response.

Pretty sure these common thugs like stoning an raping women as much as the government. Saudia Arabia is home to some very radical ideas.

If you were talking about Jordan or Syria before the civil war sure the people are fairly socially moderate.

It's OK though to call people how they act. Some cultures just suck. That doesn't mean I am ignorant of the culture.

originally posted by: Siddharta

originally posted by: luthier

Well in Saudia Arabia the innocent civilians are also thugs.

That's the way of thinking that makes the whole world believe all Americans are thugs.

The real problem that we have is that too many people want to kill too many people. Maybe we don't have this problem anymore when enough people killed enough people. But for some enough is never enough.

No the real issue is what luthier said is the truth, and the US is supposed to be like oh gee noooo, they are good people.

Saudi still to this day publicly executes people, like wtf is this the 1500's?. I know I know, their land their ways, but don't try to shun Americans when we say you are all thugs, it's the truth.

originally posted by: JaMeDoIt
Let me just say....these rag heads are pretty smart farters...jam a plane and disappear...if you believe its over think again. And now....

1. You must believe that a 757 crashed into the Pentagon and
disappeared without a trace, a violation of the laws of physics,
specifically, the conservation of matter and energy.
2. You must believe that soft aluminum can penetrate hard steel
despite the fact that if that were so Wenger would make the blades of
its Swiss Army knives of Aluminum. They don’t!
3. You must believe that for some weird and un-recorded reason
airlines decided to press into service flights that had not/were not
scheduled to fly (mothballed) for some six months.
4. You must believe that Arab hijackers were either ‘raptured’ or
jumped out of Flt 77; there are absolutely no Arab names on the
official autopsy report, no hard or admissible evidence that they
ever existed.
5. You must believe the aluminum body of a 757 vaporized as no scrap
traceable to an airliner of any sort was ever found at the Pentagon.
6. You must believe that Hani Hanjour got on board without a ticket
and without creating any kind of suspicion prior to his boarding.
Perhaps he made himself invisible!
7. You must believe that Hani Hanjour, like David Copperfield, walked
through a closed door! NTSB data released via an FOIA proves that the
cabin door was never opened during the flight. How did Hani get in?
For that matter –how did he get on board? There is, in fact, no
evidence whatsoever that he did! Nor is his name or the names of any
other ‘terrorist/Arab’ to be found on the only official list of
passengers –the OFFICIAL autopsy report.
8. You must believe that Flt 77 managed to manifest itself in two
places at the same instant: NTSB puts Flt 77 at some 200 ft above the
Pentagon at the time of impact.
9. You must believe that because no fuselage traceable to a 757 was
ever found at the Pentagon, it must have ‘vaporized’ in the heat.
10. You must believe that the source of that heat was greater than
that on the surface of the sun itself –some 10000 degrees F. Al will
not vaporize at temperatures less than 11000 degrees F!

And while believing that the fuselage vaporized, you must also believe
that victims were DNA identified. But –how is that possible? DNA
literally melts at varying temps between about 400 to 500 degrees F.

So –which is it? Were they DNA ID’d? Or did the Aluminum fuselage
vaporize?

Nah I think Saudi Arabia sucks because they have a society that sucks.

And I applaud anything that seperates us from them politically.

originally posted by: pikestaff

originally posted by: StallionDuck
Question:

How would Saudi benefit from 9/11?

Terrorist cells would have their own twisted purpose but why would a country get involved? What was their MO? Surely they would have to have some kind of motivating factor.

Very easily, when the airline's stocks plummeted after 9 11, those in the know were ready to buy and buy and buy, a month later, stocks back to normal, so sell a few stocks per week, it has been estimated that the Bin ladens made $20 million, Allah only knows what the saudi's made.

The bin ladins made money off of airline stock? Anyone in their right minds that have an idea of how stocks work could have made tons of money off of that. You didn't need to crash into the trade centers for that though. There has to be another motivating factor. Also, Hatred, as one responder put it, just isn't enough.

You could have downed 4-5 planes anywhere on the same day and people would have stopped flying just as they did after 9/11. It has to be something else, if Saudi rulers were involved. Something more sinister. Hatred alone wouldn't do it. The US would have to have done some really crummy stuff to Saud. Think about how many billions those guys made off of the US. It doesn't make sense.

Seriously though. I'm not responding to argue that they're not responsible. I honestly want to know the connection. I just don't see one, mostly because I've never dug into it. I see people saying Saudi did it but no one says why they would do such a thing. I believe Al Qaida would have hands in it because of their own reasons behind it but not making any other connections otherwise.

Sure a LOT of weird stuff took place before and after, even on our own soil by our own people, so to those guys I can point fingers.

If anyone has any info on why Saud would do this, I'm interested.

originally posted by: StallionDuck

Question:

How would Saudi benefit from 9/11?

If anyone has any info on why Saud would do this, I'm interested.


1st answer - Money

2nd answer - Willingness to do it.

originally posted by: JaMeDoIt
Let me just say....[SNIP!]...jam a plane and disappear...if you believe its over think again. And now....

1. You must believe that a 757 crashed into the Pentagon and
disappeared without a trace, a violation of the laws of physics,
specifically, the conservation of matter and energy.
2. You must believe that soft aluminum can penetrate hard steel
despite the fact that if that were so Wenger would make the blades of
its Swiss Army knives of Aluminum. They don’t!
3. You must believe that for some weird and un-recorded reason
airlines decided to press into service flights that had not/were not
scheduled to fly (mothballed) for some six months.
4. You must believe that Arab hijackers were either ‘raptured’ or
jumped out of Flt 77; there are absolutely no Arab names on the
official autopsy report, no hard or admissible evidence that they
ever existed.
5. You must believe the aluminum body of a 757 vaporized as no scrap
traceable to an airliner of any sort was ever found at the Pentagon.
6. You must believe that Hani Hanjour got on board without a ticket
and without creating any kind of suspicion prior to his boarding.
Perhaps he made himself invisible!
7. You must believe that Hani Hanjour, like David Copperfield, walked
through a closed door! NTSB data released via an FOIA proves that the
cabin door was never opened during the flight. How did Hani get in?
For that matter –how did he get on board? There is, in fact, no
evidence whatsoever that he did! Nor is his name or the names of any
other ‘terrorist/Arab’ to be found on the only official list of
passengers –the OFFICIAL autopsy report.
8. You must believe that Flt 77 managed to manifest itself in two
places at the same instant: NTSB puts Flt 77 at some 200 ft above the
Pentagon at the time of impact.
9. You must believe that because no fuselage traceable to a 757 was
ever found at the Pentagon, it must have ‘vaporized’ in the heat.
10. You must believe that the source of that heat was greater than
that on the surface of the sun itself –some 10000 degrees F. Al will
not vaporize at temperatures less than 11000 degrees F!

And while believing that the fuselage vaporized, you must also believe
that victims were DNA identified. But –how is that possible? DNA
literally melts at varying temps between about 400 to 500 degrees F.

So –which is it? Were they DNA ID’d? Or did the Aluminum fuselage
vaporize?

HAve you seen a test involving a 747 and a wall the size of said 747? yes it IS possible to be reduced to small debris. Speed can literally disintegrate a aircraft o r object moving fast. ALso Bon e marrow can hold dna. or bone fragments for that matter. And by "vaporize" they don tmean as in literally becoming vapor here. there ar e varying degrees of vaporization.

If this situation played out and the Saudis did sell up as they have threatened, could this pave the way for a world economic collapse?

If you look at the advantages for this happening you can see the total erosion of freedoms around the world.

In a destabilised world tptb will have to implement more control which will cause all out civil wars around the world.

I just find it strange this is even getting attention given how protected this subject is. Maybe we will see this actually occur and be the straw that breaks the camels back?

a reply to: InMyShell

The way you negate the saudis trying to devalue th e dollar is this. Expose their direct links to th e attacks on 9-11. Having them declared a terrorist state and freezing their assetts.

a reply to: Profusion

Saudi Arabia will probably be successful just because it's politically expedient. No one wants to go down the rabbit hole of what we have to answer for if SA gets the blame and we have to admit we seriously f'ed up in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Not only because we actually need SA's oil and negotiation power in OPEC, but because there is A LOT to answer for if we admit we got it wrong.

Double post....

originally posted by: StallionDuck
Question:

How would Saudi benefit from 9/11?

Terrorist cells would have their own twisted purpose but why would a country get involved? What was their MO? Surely they would have to have some kind of motivating factor.

Economic destabilization. If they want to weaken us (especially with us now being a major oil exporter) hurting our economy is a good way to do it.

a reply to: Grimpachi

We should tell 'em to f-off anyhow.

There's many a folk who should thank their lucky stars that I'll never be President. The House of Saud would suddenly find itself out in the cold...

...and Israel would find it's welcome uncertain, at best.

Which is, of course, why I'll never be President.

Well now, if they didn't do anything wrong, why make threats like that? Sounds like somebody's getting worried.

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: StallionDuck

Question:

How would Saudi benefit from 9/11?

If anyone has any info on why Saud would do this, I'm interested.


1st answer - Money

2nd answer - Willingness to do it.

Yeah, somehow I don't think it works that way in the real world. It's not that simple. Show me the money.... That would be them benefiting and there is no link to mad amounts of money. They already have untold billions. It would require much more than they already have to make it worth their wild.

Show me something serious and real. If it was just about money and willingness, more people would be robbing banks.

So the Saudis are going to sell off their US assets? Who will buy them?

Will the Saudis have to sell at a loss? Will their assets be seized as compensation?

Does this "attack" on the US economy give the next president an excuse to "defend" America from the "nation responsible for 911 and Daesh"?

The Saudis are not the great strategists they seem to imagine themselves.

The systematic destruction of middle eastern countries leaves only them and Iran with any military capability.

Would the Iranians help defend the Saudis against "regime change"?