McDonald's Says its Wage Hikes Are Improving Service

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
a reply to: onequestion

A decent wage makes people value their job and not want to lose it.

Until they unionize, and think they can slack off or just 'do their job' and that's it.
But honestly, I've worked in food industry for over a decade, fast food to set meal fine dining. And in that industry money speaks, you come up with the cash they work harder. Just look at Starbucks, all they do is make drinks with machines that do all the work for you, they make decent wages and have benefits. Why can they do it but not giant fast food places?

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: onequestion

Just imagine how awesome service will be if they raise minimum wage to 30 dollars an hour!

Dang skippy. I am all for that. Give me a 100% raise.....
Thats what is wrong with today's society. It is no longer work ethics and the drive to be promoted....just give it to me now with no merits so to speak...a gimme society. No wonder foreign nationals always put us down for being lazy and materialistic.

And which foreign nationals would those be? Third world migrants?

Because if they are from any first world nation they get much better benefits a great deal more time off and better pay than most of America's workforce.

They get over a month of paid leave a year on average in Japan.

Most American workers don't even get a week.

originally posted by: Bedlam

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: Bedlam

Sorry but go to a store and see how many of these jobs are being done by kids.

Your logic is seriously flawed and not grounded in reality.

Your perspective is tied to a pre NAFTA world and that world is gone.

My tax dollars go towards providing those people with better educations than that.

If you don't avail yourself of it, then # you. It was handed to you on a silver platter. You spit on it. Ok. Time to face the results of your choices in life.

I refuse to support the lazy. As I said, if you are an adult with that job, then it's the choice you made.

NAFTA be damned, I was always able to find better than minimum wage jobs. If you have any drive or talent whatever, then those jobs are there. Even driving a forklift pays better than burger flipping.

eta: I was a junior in a backwoods high school when I hit better than minimum wage. I drove a forklift and did specialty welding for a couple of years before my military stint. It's got nothing to do with NAFTA. If you have any gumption at all, you will do better as an adult. If you're still working the register at the McD's, you might as well put on the concrete shoes and go river wading. There are a lot of jobs waiting for the people that have any motivation at all.

Lol, Um guy, you are full of #!

Fork truck drivers get between minimum wage and $10 basically everywhere.

a reply to: Sargeras

I was making better than $10 in the 80s.

Then again, I wasn't going for entry level jobs and had my union card.

originally posted by: Sargeras

originally posted by: Bedlam

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: Bedlam

Sorry but go to a store and see how many of these jobs are being done by kids.

Your logic is seriously flawed and not grounded in reality.

Your perspective is tied to a pre NAFTA world and that world is gone.

My tax dollars go towards providing those people with better educations than that.

If you don't avail yourself of it, then # you. It was handed to you on a silver platter. You spit on it. Ok. Time to face the results of your choices in life.

I refuse to support the lazy. As I said, if you are an adult with that job, then it's the choice you made.

NAFTA be damned, I was always able to find better than minimum wage jobs. If you have any drive or talent whatever, then those jobs are there. Even driving a forklift pays better than burger flipping.

eta: I was a junior in a backwoods high school when I hit better than minimum wage. I drove a forklift and did specialty welding for a couple of years before my military stint. It's got nothing to do with NAFTA. If you have any gumption at all, you will do better as an adult. If you're still working the register at the McD's, you might as well put on the concrete shoes and go river wading. There are a lot of jobs waiting for the people that have any motivation at all.

Lol, Um guy, you are full of #!

Fork truck drivers get between minimum wage and $10 basically everywhere.

I dont usually agree with bedlam , but I am now. I made $10/hr in the late 70s operating a fork and a pole lift (the technical term is hysters sp? as that was the largest producers of lifts). To put my way through vocational school.

I just want to say that skilled labor is taking a nosedive pay wise and I see it first hand. I work in the electronics field repairing consumer electronics like cell phones (which I'm doing now for a huge corporation that has contracts with At&t, T mobile, and verizon),laptops, desktop computers etc and have watched the pay go from being a middle class job, to a low wage job all while profits soar in the industry.

There are 3 levels when it come to repairing electronics with 1 being cosmetic only, 2 being cosmetic while also doing soldering of various broken components, and 3 doing all that and also tracing electrical currents and things of that nature using schematics which requires a degree .

Most people I know couldn't take an IPhone 6plus and open it up, take off the broken charger port while also replacing and resoldering other broken components and then replacing all cosmetics with new parts while also needing to do at least 3 an hour perfectly for the grand total of:

$9.00 an hour.

The level 3 guy with the degree in electronics? He's making $15.00 an hour.

I've been in this field working on cell phones since Verizon was primeco phone and what I've witnessed is the jobs go from being worked by high paid Americans making 15 to 20 doing level 2 work, to increasingly more Asians from Vietnam, Laos, South Korea, and China. I pretty much work with mostly foreigners including some that do not fully speak English.

Im sorry but I do not believe for a second people are becoming more lazy, it's that greed is absolutely out of control and is driving down wages.

The proof: For each IPhone 6plus that we fully refurbish and send At&t we get $500. Yet the person doing the job has to do 3 and hour and is payed $9.00 for what is skilled labor. We have 3 shifts with about 250-300 each doing this 24/7.

Think about that for a second.

This is in Texas if anyone is wondering.

When people are paid peanuts, you can expect the lowest quality work.
How come some say high pay offers is needed to attract the top talent to run companies but they don't apply the same reasoning at the low end?

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: onequestion

Just imagine how awesome service will be if they raise minimum wage to 30 dollars an hour!

The cry for 30 dollars an hour is fiction but this is the reality:

Minimum Wage Protesters: We have a limit and it is 15 bucks an hour
Corporate Profits for Shareholders and CEO Pay : We have no limits on profits or compensation

It was not the minimum wage worker nor the consumer that are destroying this country
It is the ones that have no limit on shareholder and corporate profits and have puppet politicians to create trade pacts with communist countries and sold us out to third world slave labor.

What is the limit on shareholder profits when your country no longer matters?

Your turn

originally posted by: Bedlam
a reply to: Sargeras

I was making better than $10 in the 80s.

Then again, I wasn't going for entry level jobs and had my union card.

And the wages for it haven't risen since the 80s.


Union...nuff said!!

a reply to: onequestion
$15 minimum wage may not be good for everyone

www.latimes.com...

originally posted by: Bedlam

originally posted by: TSefu

I want people to be making a living wage if they work.

Some jobs aren't meant to provide a "living wage". Burger flipping would be among those.

Then we need to dismantle the Service Only Economy Model brought to us by Globalists and get back to being independent and responsible via making our own stuff.

originally posted by: Bedlam




Even as a kid, I could find better jobs than that.

As a kid, I could walk into most any Business and fill out an application there, talk to the owner and be hired on the spot.

That was the days before NAFTA, GATT and the TPP "Free" Trade Pacts
That was the days before you had to fill out an application online.
That was the days before you had to go through an HR drone.
You will never see the owner these days in the land of huge impersonal corporate conglomerates

Big Business is not good for the country
Small Business is though and was more personal and community oriented

Big Business along with their puppet politicians are killing small business

a reply to: jacobe001

I miss those days. I hate internet applications.

It could just be stricter policies by the company.

originally posted by: Bedlam

originally posted by: onequestion
...due to globalization and technology.

Then it's time to learn something new. Lots of unemployed buggy whip trimmers.

Ahh you are one of those.

There were 20 million + horses in the USA at the turn of the 19th century
They were used for farming, threshing, transportation, recreation, war and so on.

In the 1950's, there were less than a million horses in the USA

Why did we not find some other use for the horse and why are there so few today?

Now you may be thinking horses vs humans is a big difference.

I don't see the difference today when labor is looked at as a commodity rather than a human being.
I would be rich if I had a dime for every time I heard someone say, if you do not work, you do not eat.

The horse ran out of work and did not eat, that is where many humans are now

I see the useless eater meme come out more from Americans among us than the elite themselves

originally posted by: TerryDon79
a reply to: James1982

Thing is, no one is saying a human life is worth more or less. It's purely about the monetary value of the job that we're talking about.

You mean like the vultures on Wall Street that shuffle other peoples money? If you shuffle other peoples money in the billions, you are entitled to a healthy cut of it.

Billionaire Hedge Fund Managers do not get wealthy from flat fees like everyone else is subjected to, but from a percentage of other peoples money.

How can anyone defend that

You do it with hard work. You do not even need a college degree if you work hard. Extra hours. Extra Training. Whatever you can take.

I started working at 14 under the table as a busboy for 2.14 plus tips. In the late 80s', as a teen, I was making 400 dollars a week. Working six days and still maintaining grades. I worked in the restaurant industry till I was a sous chef making still peanuts but I had moved up. It was hard work. But you go from 7 bucks to 8 bucks to 10 bucks to a salaried position. You move up. I then went into technology. I started around 2000 making about 11.00 an hour doing tech support to pay for my training in Microsoft/Unix platforms. 15 years later I bill 200 dollars an hour for consulting.

Work hard and strive for more. A 30 year old man should not be wiping counters are McDonalds unless it is a second or third job. THAT is part of the issue in America. That extra money would not go back into the small business community. It would be spent on XBox One games, 300 dollar shoes and new cell phones. Most of those also would still be on assistance so it did not help anyone.

It is a fight to pay more to those who many times work the least. A hard worker will make more by showing how hard they work.

The government wants to raise the wage to collect more taxes...plain and simple....

originally posted by: jacobe001

originally posted by: Bedlam




Even as a kid, I could find better jobs than that.

Big Business along with their puppet politicians are killing small business

Maybe, but the reality is it's big business that maintains a stable & reliable middle class population.

Most small businesses only pay minimum wage, offer few or no benefits, cut corners and usually have low quality working conditions, as well as unstable employment.

Where as big business usually always offer above award wages, take OH&S working conditions very seriously and offer stable & reliable employment... This is especially true when it comes to the manufacturing & construction industry.

Why should the entire working class suffer, simply because a few people want to be called 'boss', without being able to offer their employee's a livable wage or quality working conditions?

a reply to: jacobe001

This incessant desire to control what other people make is what disgusts me about socialism.

If you want more money, earn it.

But don't try justifying theft by bleating socialist/class division idiocy.

a reply to: Phage

And a forced increase in wages will make it less so?

Oh come now...we're talking about a living wage. Tell me how the increased health costs in the US has improved efficiency in the great Capitalist Wet Dream? All I see is a dying economy with a great disparity between those forced onto low paying jobs because they were led to believe the lie that there will always be a need for College educated workers (and the corresponding student loans). The jobs have long gone and everyday mechanization and outsourcing contract work overseas continues unabated. Coupled with the influx of "over the border" slave labour into the USA and you have the Employers arrogance stating "take it or we'll find someone else"

Australia seems to be thriving in a capitalist model with a social security safety net. Maybe we're not in the habit of changing laws willy nilly at the beck an call of our corporate lobbyists. Or maybe our trade unions still seem to have some effectiveness.