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originally posted by: Teikiatsu
originally posted by: luthier
originally posted by: Teikiatsu
originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Teikiatsu
I am not. I have three kids, was a kid, and coach judo and wrestling. I have coached in two states. None of the kids use the showers.
Happy for you. I have a kid who uses a shower at camp. I have a locker room where I change for work. The fitness club I (rarely) go to has a locker room. Some people like hygiene. I don't particularly care to see normal naked guys when I'm in there, what makes you think I'd want to see a naked woman who has undergone plastic surgery and hormone therapy?
Penises in the men's area, Vaginas in the women's area. That's pretty straightforward and equal.
I don't want to see obese people naked but they exist and deserve dignity too. I choose not to stare at them.
The world doesn't care about your bigotry and superstitions.
Biology is not bigotry ... and when exactly did I mention religion in any of my arguments? Is your theophobia showing?
originally posted by: Teikiatsu
originally posted by: Annee
Ah yes, the Good Old Days when the undesirable were hid in closets.
How about someone with prosthetic limbs. I'm sure that must offend someone.
Especially if they have a penis and go in the women's room, amiright?
originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: Teikiatsu
You need to realize the irony of your post. Everyone wants to be comfortable, which is the whole point! Would the women be comfortable with transmen in their bathrooms? Take a look at pictures above.
originally posted by: Teikiatsu
originally posted by: Annee
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Yes, those little girls.
Teikiatsu - - wants those little girls to use the men's facilities.
Careful annee, mind the temper. Ad hominem attacks like this mean you don't really have an argument and just want to insult me.
originally posted by: luthier
originally posted by: Teikiatsu
originally posted by: luthier
originally posted by: Teikiatsu
originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Teikiatsu
I am not. I have three kids, was a kid, and coach judo and wrestling. I have coached in two states. None of the kids use the showers.
Happy for you. I have a kid who uses a shower at camp. I have a locker room where I change for work. The fitness club I (rarely) go to has a locker room. Some people like hygiene. I don't particularly care to see normal naked guys when I'm in there, what makes you think I'd want to see a naked woman who has undergone plastic surgery and hormone therapy?
Penises in the men's area, Vaginas in the women's area. That's pretty straightforward and equal.
I don't want to see obese people naked but they exist and deserve dignity too. I choose not to stare at them.
The world doesn't care about your bigotry and superstitions.
Biology is not bigotry ... and when exactly did I mention religion in any of my arguments? Is your theophobia showing?
The superstions are that misses doubtfire is coming in your bathroom or shower with a stiffie.
Bigotry is having no understanding of what gender is from even a neurological aspect and assuming it's the same as sex. Then imposing your lack of understanding on the minority in order to feel safe within your superstions
originally posted by: Annee
originally posted by: Teikiatsu
originally posted by: Annee
Ah yes, the Good Old Days when the undesirable were hid in closets.
How about someone with prosthetic limbs. I'm sure that must offend someone.
Especially if they have a penis and go in the women's room, amiright?
How would you know?
You are actually claiming a person who is transgender is going to be sharing it.
You honestly believe that?
You don't think they've had enough to deal with?
originally posted by: Teikiatsu
I have been very clear to say 'physically expressed gender', 'penis' and 'vagina.' I really don't care what the people in question think their gender is. That's not part of my argument. What's important is the genitalia that are visible.
originally posted by: Annee
originally posted by: Teikiatsu
originally posted by: Annee
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Yes, those little girls.
Teikiatsu - - wants those little girls to use the men's facilities.
Careful annee, mind the temper. Ad hominem attacks like this mean you don't really have an argument and just want to insult me.
What are you talking about.
Are you denying you want those little girls to use the men's facility?
originally posted by: Teikiatsu
originally posted by: Annee
originally posted by: Teikiatsu
originally posted by: Annee
Ah yes, the Good Old Days when the undesirable were hid in closets.
How about someone with prosthetic limbs. I'm sure that must offend someone.
Especially if they have a penis and go in the women's room, amiright?
How would you know?
You are actually claiming a person who is transgender is going to be sharing it.
You honestly believe that?
You don't think they've had enough to deal with?
I think I really don't care what they have dealt with.
originally posted by: Annee
originally posted by: Teikiatsu
I have been very clear to say 'physically expressed gender', 'penis' and 'vagina.' I really don't care what the people in question think their gender is. That's not part of my argument. What's important is the genitalia that are visible.
That's where the ignorance comes in.
Gender is just the packaging. Transgender brains tell them who they are - - not their bodies.
You are the one who has a hang up on body parts.
originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Teikiatsu
Nope I could care less what you thump.
I am a philosopher by degree. Words have meaning to me.
Superstions are when you are afraid of things that you don't understand.
Like this for you.
Your assumption is I am not a theist.
I haven't said anything about religion.
Have you read neurological studies on transgender children or adults?
originally posted by: Annee
originally posted by: Teikiatsu
originally posted by: Annee
originally posted by: Teikiatsu
originally posted by: Annee
Ah yes, the Good Old Days when the undesirable were hid in closets.
How about someone with prosthetic limbs. I'm sure that must offend someone.
Especially if they have a penis and go in the women's room, amiright?
How would you know?
You are actually claiming a person who is transgender is going to be sharing it.
You honestly believe that?
You don't think they've had enough to deal with?
I think I really don't care what they have dealt with.
Obviously.