California Agrees To Raise Minimum Wage To $15

a reply to: DBCowboy

obviously everything needs to be done within reason.

You can have to much vitamin c you know, but you can have to little too.

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: DBCowboy

obviously everything needs to be done within reason.

You can have to much vitamin c you know, but you can have to little too.

So what's the optimum, the best minimum wage to have?

a reply to: DBCowboy

Make more money by demanding a raise.

Go to Mexico if you want 1$ an hour or China if you want 1$ a day workin at the factory that paid 20$ an hour in the US because we maintain higher cultural core values.

Go there people I'm not making you stay here but we have to decide on weather or not we want to be surrounded by poverty or not and what our core values are.

My core values are anyone that works 8 hours a day 5 days a week isn't in poverty.

Simple.

a reply to: onequestion

Painful truth, but labor is supply and demand like everything else. If the job is so easy that you can train someone to be competent at it in a few minutes or hours, tops, then the supply is enormous. The only way someone distinguishes themselves at such a task is to always be on time, always work diligently, but even that is only going to take you so far when so very many other people (virtually everyone else on the planet) can step into your spot on a moment's notice.

The scarcer the supply, the higher the demand, and the more the job will command.

If you don't like the idea that you are only fit for a crap job, you get educated so that you have skills that make you marketable in range of jobs that have a tighter supply.

And, of course, there is no guarantee that any of us won't find ourselves out having to work at a crap job to cobble ends together tomorrow, but if you have the skills, you can keep working your way up off the bottom rather than whining about how crappy your life is and how you deserve to be paid what you think you want instead of actually doing something to earn it.

a reply to: DBCowboy

One that keeps the lights on and the rain off your head is a start

a reply to: onequestion

A lot of businesses are going to Texas. It's like Mexico, lower hourly wages, no unions, so greedy businesses take advantage of it. There was a time where businesses demanded loyalty from their workers, but these same businesses never valued their workers. Maximizing their profits is all they really care about.

a reply to: DBCowboy

I don't know why don't you take a shot at it instead of just pointing out problems.

If you were my employee I would fire you for not coming up with a solution and only pointing out problems.

a reply to: onequestion

I thought we were vying for the Scandinavian model, which has no minimum wage.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

I don't know enough about the Scandinavian model can you provide a link?

a reply to: onequestion

Except you are the one pointing out the problem. We are asking you why you think $15 is the answer.

Having lived through a minimum wage hike as a minimum wage worker, I can tell you that even if you get what you think you want, $15 will soon not be enough just like the old minimum wage. Everything will reset itself.

So how do you keep $15 from becoming the new chump change?

a reply to: onequestion

this is just a ploy to drop land prices, people get scared of 15 min wage sell there home market gets flooded with cheap land and guess who is gonna buy it.

originally posted by: WeRpeons
a reply to: onequestion

A lot of businesses are going to Texas. It's like Mexico, lower hourly wages, no unions, so greedy businesses take advantage of it. There was a time where businesses demanded loyalty from their workers, but these same businesses never valued their workers. Maximizing their profits is all they really care about.

I know which is why we need a bottom, a floor, a foundation.

a reply to: DOCHOLIDAZE1

Berkshire Hathaway.

a reply to: onequestion

I'm simply pointing out how raising the minimum wage isn't the solution.

And why in the hell should I care what other people make or do? It's none of my business.

I don't care what other people make or what other people do.

a reply to: ketsuko

Inflation will never stop due to how our currency works.

So we have been and are experiencing inflation everyday.

Are you saying that wages should never change?

There's a direct correlation with cost of livin and increased profit margins for those at the top.

Stop trying to convince me its poor people's fault and cut the #.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: DBCowboy

obviously everything needs to be done within reason.

You can have to much vitamin c you know, but you can have to little too.

So what's the optimum, the best minimum wage to have?

That right there is the dilemma that some of us can see! Focusing on the minimum wage is pointless! It distracts MANY from the REAL issue and that is our country spends more on foreign made goods than other countries pay for the products we manufacture here!

They have us over a barrel and they are using the minimum wage to divide us just as they have used race/religion/sexuality!

As a people we should realize who we should really hate and go after, but there are still too many willing to play into the willful idiot scenario that perpetuates the corruption that creates the division that will prevent us from ever standing together and rising up against THEM!

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: onequestion

I'm simply pointing out how raising the minimum wage isn't the solution.

And why in the hell should I care what other people make or do? It's none of my business.

I don't care what other people make or what other people do.

I do when a $15 minimum would be more than I make per hour now. I know I'm worth more than a burger flipper, but I also know that my current employer likely wouldn't pay me much more than I am currently getting too. I'm basically lucky I have the job I have at the moment.

I would sort of like to keep it.

a reply to: seeker1963

That is a problem and why the minimum wage is topic of conversation and has already been covered in the thread.

Is anyone paying attention or are you guys just going to your auto tune knee jerk reactions.

If you raise the minimum wage:

1) You have to raise other employees wages. you will wind up raising the salaries of all the employees who are making MORE than minimum wage. What do you tell the guy who worked his way up to $15/hr that the dope who was making $8/hr is now getting $15/hr. Do you really think the $15/hr guy is going to be happy that someone with less experience is making the same as he is? No, he will demand higher wages so his salary is going to go to $20/hr and these price increases will reverberate through the supply chain. After inflation rears it's head, $15/hr is still going to be MINIMUM wage and we will still be having this conversation.

2) Technology becomes more cost effective. Instead of having cheap labor, businesses will migrate those low skilled positions to be replaced by self service kiosks and other tech.

3) Some workers may see their salaries increase, but you best believe that other workers will lose their jobs. Instead of having say 10 cashiers making $8/hr McDonalds is going to have two cashiers making $15/hr.

Our economy has some structural issues that are bad for the lower class, but raising minimum wage is not a solution.

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: onequestion

I'm simply pointing out how raising the minimum wage isn't the solution.

And why in the hell should I care what other people make or do? It's none of my business.

I don't care what other people make or what other people do.

I do when a $15 minimum would be more than I make per hour now. I know I'm worth more than a burger flipper, but I also know that my current employer likely wouldn't pay me much more than I am currently getting too. I'm basically lucky I have the job I have at the moment.

I would sort of like to keep it.

The burger flipper will be happy, until he has to pay for insurance, housing, higher food prices.

You aren't in the demographic that is trying to get 30k/year for flipping burgers. So you would lose out.

Hell, if I could double my salary and not do twice the work, I'd do it, but it would break my employer.