The price of Trumps wall

a reply to: burgerbuddy

Trump should hire the guys who built the pyramids.

*henry put that 20 ton brick here.no problem...watch you foot

a reply to: Thecakeisalie

7 trillion spent on US jobs, and invested in our nations professionals and general laborers?

Sounds like ALLOT of jobs. Arent people saying they cant find work?

And thats just building it. The border could prove a saving grace for the whole country.

Hell even Mexico can apply for work visas and get some of that dough.

a reply to: tadaman

Or Trump could run this electric fence 2000 miles...

Warning do not pee on fence...ouch

a reply to: Quantum12

Only an eeeeeediot! Would whiz on an electric fence......

a reply to: Quantum12

2000 miles of electric wire would all wind up in a recycling scrap yard the first time they cut the power.

Rubber boots and bolt cutters or they might throw a tow hook on it and drive striping all the way off till they get to the scrap yard. lol

a reply to: Grimpachi

LOL. Trump thought of that. He's running 200,000 volts per square inch...

*damn that hurt

a reply to: Quantum12

In that case, I think Mexico would just tie into the grid and steal electric for their entire country.

Instead of a trillion dollar wall it would be a trillion dollar electric bill.

a reply to: Grimpachi

That made me laugh and I am still laughing. Thank you!

Have every American give $5.00 for the wall. If my estimates are correct, that would be roughly around $1.750.000.000 dollars. I took the amount of Americans and timed it by five. One billion, seven hundred and fifty million. There is around three hundred and fifty million Americans.

I still think the gorillas would be cool.

And what will stop some guys with sledge hammers from simply knocking a hole through it big enough to pass through?

originally posted by: M5xaz
Right.
So now that the cost argument has been settled, move to another excuse.

Border walls work very very well, in Egypt or Israel for example.

But for liberals, it is never about facts

About that Israeli wall:

Its just 33 miles and 25 ft high, the rest is a 6ft high fence. Trump wants a 1000 mile 35ft high concrete wall.

About the costs for that wall when comparing the Israeli wall:

Assuming the cost of the fence was equivalent to the U.S. fence ($3 million a mile), that suggests about $1 billion of the cost was for the fence; the other $1.4 billion was for 33 miles of the wall (which was built in mostly metropolitan areas). Believe it or not, that translates to $42 billion for 1,000 miles of a 25-foot wall. (Recall that Trump wants a 35-to-40-foot wall.)

So 42 billion if it would be build 10 ft lower than Trump wants, if it was only build in easy to build and accessible areas and thats all without maintenance costs....

About maintenance of the fence you currently have in place:

The Corps of Engineers estimated that the 25-year life cycle cost of the fence would range from $16.4 million to $70 million per mile; the total cost of the fencing so far has been $7 billion, according to the Congressional Research Service.)

Now imagine how that would translate to a 35 ft high concrete wall.

www.washingtonpost.com...

originally posted by: M5xaz

But for liberals, it is never about facts

Right and Trumps estimates his wall costs 12 billion.

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originally posted by: tothetenthpower
a reply to: M5xaz

Because financially, $10.5B is cheaper than paying benefits to an endless flow of illegals

But it would cost..probably 10 times that.

People forget he also wants to hire thousands of government employees to man the border, then you have the equipment required and the maintenance involved with keeping something that big, properly working.

Everybody whose done any kind of real math on this projects, knows the 10 billion dollar argument isn't real. It's just a talking point.

~Tenth

I see
Drop defending the border ?
Defending the border is more expensive than providing tens to hundreds of billions in benefits to illegals ?

W.r.t. the cost of the fence, view the link I gave you.

I know, `Math is hard`.....

The point was that the Wall won't work, so the illegals will still come and we will still be paying for them and the wall.

Right.
So now that the cost argument has been settled, move to another excuse.

Border walls work very very well, in Egypt or Israel for example.

But for liberals, it is never about facts

I'm not a liberal, but I'll play. So you use the it worked in another country argument, but when others point out Socialism working in other countries it's not a valid argument? I guess if it fits your agenda then it works, if not then it won't work. I think facts is the last thing you are looking for.

No
Weak attempt at strawman - socialism has never worked anywhere

Again, stick to facts

Don't be mad at me for calling out the bull#. I'm just here for facts and not this bias crap I see from trump supporters. I'm either voting for Bernie or Trump, but Trumps wall idea is just plain stupid and even his supporters know it. You guys are just to stubborn to admit it. So go ahead and keep telling yourselves this wall idea is gonna work so well, but I don't wanna be part of that group.

originally posted by: tothetenthpower

originally posted by: whyamIhere
C'mon man he can't mean a physical wall.

Trump has said we don't need a wall the entire way.

When has he said that?

And if he did, I bet you there are 10 other videos of him saying he would build it the whole way.

That's kinda the problem right?

See it's funny, cause Conservatives make fun of Bernie Sanders for having Pie in the Sky policies like free education.

Well GOP, meet your 'pie in the sky issue'. A 2000 mile long border wall that Mexico will pay for.

It's so absurd to even contemplate, I don't even understand how some people can look at this financially and think it's a good idea.

~Tenth

Tenth...

When he was standing on the Border he backed off the entire distance.

Cause, when you are standing at the Border.

You realize it is a ridiculous proposition.

He said a little over a 1000 miles of fence.

Never going to happen...

a reply to: whyamIhere

whyaminhear, my wall will be complete in two weeks...my friends owe me...

*donald you might look better if you just remove that mop...

sorry duplicate post

You wish a border wall was impossible.

It's an engineering and funding question. Compare it with the fact that of the 30 or so aircraft carriers deployed on the planet, the USA runs half of them. The cost of a wall will be about what a couple of carriers are, and cheaper to maintain.

The truth is, our current open-borders policy has huge costs; and those costs are paid inordinately by the working class. Trump is the only candidate who speaks to their plight. Progressives and Libertarians both gave up on the working class over the last two decades. That's the real problem that Trump's wall solves.

The contempt for the "trump supporters" is merely the progressives and elites giving voice to their disdain for the lower classes.

Other than his bank account, Trump completely exemplifies the working class. From his bad hair to his taste in women, to his taste for gold-and-and crimson decor, to his New Yoik accent (which sounds more like a Joisey accent?!?!O|). Trump is like Fred Flintstone won the lottery, a colorized Ralph Cramden.

You are thinking "God help us all if Trump wins!" But the truth is, God help us if he loses.

All of those Archie Bunkers (from the north) and "my name is Earl" types (from the south)... all of them figgering out that their candidate will lose the convention regardless of the delegate count... all of them deciding in November that they are never going to have a say in who runs the country, in how it's run...

The wall isn't a technical problem, it's a red flag. a warning sign.


Until now, there has never been a class-based revolution in North America.

a reply to: redempsh

Other than his bank account, Trump completely exemplifies the working class. From his bad hair to his taste in women, to his taste for gold-and-and crimson decor, to his New Yoik accent (which sounds more like a Joisey accent?!?!O|). Trump is like Fred Flintstone won the lottery, a colorized Ralph Cramden.

Holy hell! The guy grew up with a silver spoon and you wan to say he exemplifies the working class?? He got a a million dollar loan from his father! How many working class folks do you know that can say that? He has no idea what it is like to be working class, if you think he does are just infatuated with him and can't see the truth.
Bad hair and liking pretty women doesn't make you working class, all kinds of billionaires have bad hair and trophy wife's.

a reply to: redempsh

I really like how you compared the wall to the US fleet of Aircraft Carriers. A perfect compare point vs price of a wall.

Who needs the details? If there is a will soon you'll have a beautiful and physical wall and you'll be the country exporting simply the best walls in the world. Just don't listen to the concrete lobby too much.
I'm sure there is a potencial for a huge development in wall-technologies as soon as he gets elected. Concrete and iron are expensive. Walls should be made of durable plastic polymers made of waste or a mixture of waste and concrete, waste/clay/cement. Building a wall could even become automated in the future. ) You just need to see the bright side of life.
How can he have the numbers when he's so busy with the elections? It's time to present ideas. You need an army of officials to get some numbers and only then you can start reducing costs.
The world obviously needs affordable walls of good quality. From Ukraine to ME. Nations clearly need separation. Cities will be next.