Muslim shopkeeper headstomped and stabbed to death in Glasgow after wishing for a happy easter

originally posted by: chuck258
Considering the sheer violence behind the stabbing and head stomping while he was down, more or less, a "random" attack can be ruled out. I can see a random attack getting him stabbed, or maybe stomped on, but not both at the same time.

It happens quite often in the UK.
We don't generally carry guns so our fights and violent assaults involve fists, boots, knives, axes/hatchets, bats. We are much more in tune with violence in the UK than a man who generally just pulls a trigger to defend himself.

It is ingrained in many demographics in the UK, we hurt each other, badly. I've been a recipient and provider of savage violence in my life, I've been cut with a blade, and kicked unconscious twice, and that violence in the context and environment it happened was normal, not shocking.

To base a conclusion on the reasons for the violence because you consider it excessive is the argument of someone who has never experienced violence in the UK.

a reply to: grainofsand

You are completely wrong. The user you referred to was simply stating that the extreme, and it was extreme, violence used in this crime may be indicative of a motive. Not all fights in England involve getting your head kicked in, knifed or batted. Liverpool here, should know!

originally posted by: Jonjonj
a reply to: grainofsand

You are completely wrong.

Maybe quote the bit you specifically think was wrong?

The user you referred to was simply stating that the extreme, and it was extreme, violence used in this crime may be indicative of a motive. Not all fights in England involve getting your head kicked in, knifed or batted. Liverpool here, should know!

Who said 'all' fights? Not me, so why invent added value to my words?

Fair play OP. You called it.
I admit to being wrong, thinking it was just neds. Well, Scottish neds, anyway, but it seems it was islamic neds.

Either way, the key needs throwing away.

a reply to: grainofsand

You were trying to suggest that violence is the norm, and extreme violence is also the norm, to refute a possible suggested motive by the poster. I am refuting your post, because it is bollocks.

originally posted by: grainofsand

originally posted by: chuck258
Considering the sheer violence behind the stabbing and head stomping while he was down, more or less, a "random" attack can be ruled out. I can see a random attack getting him stabbed, or maybe stomped on, but not both at the same time.

It happens quite often in the UK.
We don't generally carry guns so our fights and violent assaults involve fists, boots, knives, axes/hatchets, bats. We are much more in tune with violence in the UK than a man who generally just pulls a trigger to defend himself.

It is ingrained in many demographics in the UK, we hurt each other, badly. I've been a recipient and provider of savage violence in my life, I've been cut with a blade, and kicked unconscious twice, and that violence in the context and environment it happened was normal, not shocking.

To base a conclusion on the reasons for the violence because you consider it excessive is the argument of someone who has never experienced violence in the UK.

I will give you that I perhaps am not familiar with the sheer violence that you are saying exists in the UK. I wonder then why all to often we hear that the US is more violent, if experiences like yours are a common thing. If that's the case then, when it comes to incidents in the US, I wonder why so many Europeans (particularly English people) try to claim the US is this extremely violent place just because we have guns. Interesting. But that's going off topic.

In this case however (unfortunately), my intuition was right.

a reply to: chuck258

In the UK in general we tend to sort out our differences with fists and the criminal element tend to do the same, but also knives are used, and also guns in some extreme cases. It is bollocks and idiotic to believe that we are somehow morally better by how we deal with issues, it is simply different. We do definitely prefer not to have guns in society in general, as we believe, quite rightly in my opinion, that more guns simply means more people killed with guns.

originally posted by: Jonjonj
a reply to: grainofsand

You were trying to suggest that violence is the norm, and extreme violence is also the norm, to refute a possible suggested motive by the poster. I am refuting your post, because it is bollocks.

I said kicking's unconscious are not uncommon and parts of the UK are extremely violent. That is not bollocks and you know it.
Perhaps we know a different UK, and opinions is all, you still live by Queensbury rules in Liverpool then? Lol I know plenty of scousers who do not.

originally posted by: Jonjonj
It is bollocks and idiotic to believe that we are somehow morally better by how we deal with issues

Who suggested that in this thread?
I must have missed it, fancy helping a man out and quoting it?

My dad was a good man who has now died he would have been 88 though and I take offence at you suggesting he did a stint in prison because he didnt have a bad bone in his body!

He did National Service! The only time he nearly had to use a gun was in Egypt in the desert. He had been feeding a stray dog which wasnt allowed and when the guy above him found out he told my dad to shoot it. My dad couldnt do it so one of his friends did it for him. He told me that on his death bed with terminal cancer he said the image of the dog had never left him. My dad wasnt a fighting man but was frkm the era of compulsory national service.a reply to: Soloprotocol

a reply to: grainofsand

Kicking unconcious is not the same as stomping, And I know for a fact that you would never, ever say that stomping is ok. It takes a special kind of hate to stomp on somebody, am I right?

Scouser here and for sure I would never stomp on somebody, does that make me less scouse?

originally posted by: grainofsand

originally posted by: Jonjonj
It is bollocks and idiotic to believe that we are somehow morally better by how we deal with issues

Who suggested that in this thread?
I must have missed it, fancy helping a man out and quoting it?

I was responding to a particular post there.

originally posted by: Jonjonj
a reply to: grainofsand

Kicking unconcious is not the same as stomping, And I know for a fact that you would never, ever say that stomping is ok. It takes a special kind of hate to stomp on somebody, am I right?

I've been stomped to unconsciousness, I don't see the distinction, it is ultra violence kicking heads when a man is down, or stomping. You are also correct, I've never stomped or kicked a man to unconsciousness, but I have used my fists for the same result.

Scouser here and for sure I would never stomp on somebody, does that make me less scouse?

Nope, I was just addressing your introduction of Liverpool residency in your comments with examples of scum scousers I know who would.

a reply to: grainofsand

I think your experience of scousers is rather limited to the news. But be that as it may, the facts are simple. Being stomped (stamped on the head) is the action of a person who has hatred in his heart or mind.

The terrorists have won.

originally posted by: anxiouswens
I dont mean for every 16 year old. I mean for the ones who wont go to college and refuse to find work and keep repeatedly reoffending.

Would I want my son to do National Service Yes I would if he was as above, I would prefer him to see real hardship, take him away from bad influences and learn some sort of trade.

Hopefully, my son will carry on as he is a decent boy with morals and good work ethic but yes if he goes down a slippery slope I would prefer this than the alternative of becoming a thug in and out of prison or heroin addict I can honestly say I would

I dont mean fighting by the way but cooking, building, community work in the forces.

Question I wonder what tge parents of the teenagers who stabbed thr woman in Kent would prefer for their sons? A life behind bars for murder or my suggestion to stop it ever coming to that.a reply to: nonspecific

So what you want is for us to take certain types of people(not yours though, he's a good kid loves his mum he does)

And make it legal for the state to be able to take them against their will and "train" them to be something that you find acceptable?

Sounds a little harsh to me.

What if your son falls in with the wrong crowd and makes a mistake?

Are you honestly saying that you are happy for him to be shipped off to what is for all intents and purposes a detainment camp to be moulded into some kind of model citizen by the government whilst in the company of thugs, idiots and reprobates?

I think you need to rethink this one before you go calling for such an outdated and barbaric institution to be brought back.

originally posted by: Ohanka
The terrorists have won.

When? I must have missed it, I was on youtube.

originally posted by: anxiouswens
My dad was a good man who has now died he would have been 88 though and I take offence at you suggesting he did a stint in prison because he didnt have a bad bone in his body!

He did National Service! The only time he nearly had to use a gun was in Egypt in the desert. He had been feeding a stray dog which wasnt allowed and when the guy above him found out he told my dad to shoot it. My dad couldnt do it so one of his friends did it for him. He told me that on his death bed with terminal cancer he said the image of the dog had never left him. My dad wasnt a fighting man but was frkm the era of compulsory national service.a reply to: Soloprotocol

It was a joke for christs sake. You said your dad never fired a gun. He obviously fired a gun and knew how to use one or they wouldn't have asked him to put down a dog.

a reply to: nonspecific

Inciting such hatred against people who follow the islamic faith in the West is exactly what they want. The more and more they feel unwelcome, the greater the numbers who will turn to radicalism, and the more radicals the more soldiers they have for their Jihad.

originally posted by: Jonjonj
a reply to: grainofsand

I think your experience of scousers is rather limited to the news. But be that as it may, the facts are simple. Being stomped (stamped on the head) is the action of a person who has hatred in his heart or mind.

Not wanting to get over involved in this but I only know one Scouser and he got drunk one time and bounced my head of a kerb blindside and I had 17 staples in my head.

This I imagine was a statistical anomaly I am sure but it still happened non the less.

I imagine if I met more scousers the statistics would change.