Muslim shopkeeper headstomped and stabbed to death in Glasgow after wishing for a happy easter

a reply to: chuck258

We don't even know if the crime was directly related to the shopkeeper's Easter messages, let alone who committed them. I think it's a bit premature to begin speculation, don't you?

Nevertheless, it is disgusting that such a crime has been committed. I hope the perpetrators are promptly apprehended.

For those of you who don't know what a 'ned' is, here's an example, obviously in a mocking kind of way

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I am sure they will apprehend the scum responsible the news report says the police were in attendance within Minutes and a witness caught sight of the attack.. In the attached Daily Record link there is a small touching photo gallery, this guy was well liked by everyone. A sad loss..

www.dailyrecord.co.uk...

Was this message conveyed in English?

a reply to: 5StarOracle

What difference would it make if it was or wasn't?

The point is the guy was murdered in cold blood by scumbags who deserve to be put down.

a reply to: Freeborn

If the message was not in English and he was attacked over the message than I think that's an indicator...

I have changed the title. Excuse my geographical error, there's only two passing mentions it's in Scotland (although in the back of my mind I KNOW Glasgow is in Scotland, it is no excuse). I think I said England simply because it's the Daily Mail, and most stories I read from there relate mostly to England

a reply to: 5StarOracle

Ok, I grant you that....but it hasn't been established yet that he was killed because of the message or who killed him.

The point is no matter what, the killers are still oxygen thieving, murdering, low life scumbags regardless of motive.
Evil is evil.

originally posted by: chuck258
I have changed the title. Excuse my geographical error, there's only two passing mentions it's in Scotland (although in the back of my mind I KNOW Glasglow is in Scotland, it is no excuse). I think I said England simply because it's the Daily Mail, and most stories I read from there relate mostly to England

Fair enough, now why do you think 'zealous Muslims' killed the poor guy, not just racist scum white males?
I'd say that is more likely, but I am of course only speculating as we all are, but I would be more surprised if it turns out the killers were Muslim.

a reply to: 5StarOracle

Well whether or not the message was understood being relevant could go both ways. One one hand the OP suggests it's islamists upset.. I suppose at the goodwill. On the other hand why not some muslim haters who "thought" it was some kind of slight against easter because they couldn't understand?..JM2C

a reply to: grainofsand

Given the demographics of Glasgow I'd say its more likely to be some White scum rather than some Muslim scum who murdered this poor guy.

Of course I could well be wrong.

a reply to: chuck258

I live in Shawlands, not far from Minard Road where this happened. It is a fairly decent area and popular, with lots of shops, pubs and eateries. Incidents like this come as no surprise though as there are people from all walks of life despite property and rents being expensive.

Edit to add...

I do agree with Freeborn regards it being 'white scum', there are plenty of neds and junkies floating around here and it can be a little dodgy.

a reply to: Freeborn

Agreed.
But if asked with a gun to my head, and the wrong answer would result in my brain decorating the wall, I'd say racist scum white males as my answer.

Ok, back on topic however: Many here are trying to use my simple geographical mix up as proof my hypothesis has no merit, you can cling to that if you want to, but it doesn't help your view point at all.

I even put in my OP that the perps haven't been caught. But honestly, given the content of his message in relation to the time of his death, is it really a stretch to imagine that he pissed off some radical Muslims who didn't like that he was showing love to 'his beloved Christian nation' and 'follow the footsteps of Beloved Holy Jesus Christ'. To a radical Muslim, both of those phrases are blasphemous. The timing of the attack is very suspicious. Also, considering that his head was stomped on after he was stabbed, shows a measure of anger that goes beyond a simple robbery. Muggers don't want to hang around at a crime scene. But for someone who believes blasphemy has just occured against his prophet and god (how dare he tell people to follow the footsteps of Jesus Christ and Not our Beloved Prophet Mohammed?!), a cursory head stomp suits an angry, hate filled motive more than a simple robbery or mugging.

If it came down to a bet, how many of you would be willing to wager a hundred bucks that it was NOT some radicalized Muslims?

originally posted by: chuck258
Ok, back on topic however: Many here are trying to use my simple geographical mix up as proof my hypothesis has no merit, you can cling to that if you want to, but it doesn't help your view point at all. Congrats, you successfully

I even put in my OP that the perps haven't been caught. But honestly, given the content of his message in relation to the time of his death, is it really a stretch to imagine that he pissed off some radical Muslims who didn't like that he was showing love to 'his beloved Christian nation' and 'follow the footsteps of Beloved Holy Jesus Christ'. To a radical Muslim, both of those phrases are blasphemous. The timing of the attack is very suspicious. Also, considering that his head was stomped on after he was stabbed, shows a measure of anger that goes beyond a simple robbery. Muggers don't want to hang around at a crime scene. But for someone who believes blasphemy has just occured against his prophet and god (how dare he tell people to follow the footsteps of Jesus Christ and Not our Beloved Prophet Mohammed?!), a cursory head stomp suits an angry, hate filled motive more than a simple robbery or mugging.

If it came down to a bet, how many of you would be willing to wager a hundred bucks that it was NOT some radicalized Muslims?

I think the issue is that you have formulated your hypothesis based on what you want to have happened.

Even though Scottish members have said that given the area it is more likely not as you suggest you seem to want to cling to your idea of radical Muslims because it suits you world view.

The only thing anyone can do is to wait and see who is arrested and leave it at that.

Anything else is just scare mongereing and wild speculation.

originally posted by: grainofsand

originally posted by: FamCore
a reply to: chuck258

I honestly think it's more likely some hateful sickos who wanted to kill a Muslim because of their ignorance and mental illness issues.

Why are more and more folk on ATS starting to use 'mental health issues' in response to crimes committed through hatred.
Is this becoming the new 21st century excuse now?!
I know some right horrible bastards, no mental health problems, just nasty horrible scum who were raised by nasty horrible scum.

...I suppose it is warmer and cozier to excuse them under the 'mental health' banner, but I think it does people with genuine mental health conditions a disservice.

It's easier to classify it as a Mental Health issue, as we can then chuck £££'s at the problem which will never go away.

This heinous crime was probably carried out by an ignorant Britain First type, drug addict or just some scummy twats (there are plenty all over the world).

a reply to: Freeborn

Obviously this shopkeeper was a truly religious individual and he was a member of Islam...
He was troubled by the state of the world and the separation between Muslims and Christians...
He spoke out with well wishes to those not of his faith with good wishes for Christians in hopes of some form of union based upon the love of Christ which is taught in both...
It's rather obvious whoever did this did not share his sentiments infact was enraged by them I'm rather certain this message was indeed a factor...

originally posted by: chuck258
Also, considering that his head was stomped on after he was stabbed, shows a measure of anger that goes beyond a simple robbery.

How about just pure rage? Why do you think it was a robbery?
Have you not lived in crappy places such as many in the UK?

I've been kicked unconscious twice in my life, head stamps, the lot. Neither time was I robbed, I just angered the wrong scum men in the wrong place at the wrong time.
There are simply people out there who enjoy violence, I've known many in life, and still do.

a reply to: chuck258

If it came down to a bet, how many of you would be willing to wager a hundred bucks that it was NOT some radicalized Muslims?

Me.

I understand your reasoning and you may be right.

But knowing Glasgow as I do and the nature of the killing I'd put a damn sight more than a ton on it being some White scumbags.

Oh, and I'm a betting man and like to weigh the odds up before placing any bet....but that's a no brainer when it comes to a gamble.

a reply to: chuck258

Head stomping is a popular pastime for the Glasgow neds.