One Gospel, one Kingdom.

a reply to: coomba98

I don't have an email address for joecanada it is merely a username. Yes that is my EP account however.

Joecanada11,
cool, it was merely a curiosity.

Have fun at ATS but play nice.

a reply to: Joecanada11
Oh my your really are confused about how the poor were allowed to glean from edges and corners of fields under the law of Moses. They stole nothing that is why they were only accused of breaking the Sabbath.

Jesus knew that his ministry was to Israel but occasionally he did a good deed to a believing gentile. She unlike many today did not take offence and even played upon it and got what she desired.

2Tim 2:15 tells us to rightly divide. If Martin Luther would have done so he would have had no problem Reconciling the book of Romans and the Book of James.

a reply to: Joecanada11

It is not the book that helps you to overcome you old nature.

1Co 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

You have it confused. You THINK that Yeshua's ministry was only to the descendants of Israel. Israel was a religion splintered in factions and he was only starting with them because that was his people. He had Zealots as Apostles, and many other different kinds of Israelites coming from the Maccabeans to Nazarene to called Essenes and James was of the Zaddikim Torah observant Qumran community.

But under no circumstances should anyone believe that his ministry was only for Israelites because he had Greek followers too and Peter and James clearly accepted Greek followers as well. Indeed, the message of the Messiah was for one and all to hear and this is a fact.

And it is evident as he he said to make disciples of ALL nations baptizing in his name.

So all nations is not only 12 nations and it means a
ALL nations. Yeshua's ministry was for all nations. Your mistaken when you say his ministry was only for Israel and base this off of a much earlier command that was temporary and only given to his immediate disciples.

It's sad that you are so sadly mistaken about the nature of his ministry. You are a small minority of a minority of Pauline Christians who needs to justify your anti-Semitic thoughts. You need to believe that without your pseudo-apostle Yeshua had no intention of forming a church outside of Israel because you know he is a false prophet and have little choice but to choose him or the Messiah and have made yourself believe Yeshua was only here for Israel so you can participate in hijacking his mission for your own ends.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

We can not even be cert if one or two of his Apostles were not of some Greek lineage because we know so little about them. But it matters not either way as he did more than occasional good deed for non Israelites he actually DIED WILLINGLY TO SAVE YOU FROM YOUR SINS YOU INGRATE.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

What more do you want from a guy who literally:

1. Before Abraham was, I am, a God who:

2. Forsook divinity to wear the flesh and be humiliated in a Sadducee and Roman plot to keep order in the Romans relatively new empire.

3. For your no good sins and you want to crap on his ministry by saying it was only for Israelites.

4. Still loves and still forgives you.


What more can Yeshua do for you? Do you want him to destroy Isral now or later?

I find your beliefs(John chester) to be a form of cleverly (not by you) veiled form of anti-Semitism. By making the mission of the Messiah and the intentions of his ministry solely for Israel you aren't required to follow the oh so difficult concept of 2 commandments to Love God and your love your neighbor as yourself and are free from that huge "burden" that is the Law for the true followers of the Christ/Messiah.

All you have to do is have faith and your free to engage in anti-Semitism because "the Jews" killed the Messiah but still free to benefit personally from his death without actually following the teachings of Yeshua the Messiah.

What a nice little scam you have going for yourself.

a reply to: Heresiarch

see you obsessed with extra-Biblical issues.

Trust me the name calling was dutifully uncalled for.

Jesus has saved me forever and I am grateful for his sacrifice and resurrection, for now I have a living hope.

For his primary earthly Ministry was to prepare Israel for the Kingdom his own words and Actions tell us he was there for Israel, But I never said his ministry would not benefit all man kind.

Mt 10:5-7 ¶ These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mt 15:22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.
23 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.
24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Ac 13:46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.

a reply to: Heresiarch

I have no anti semetic thoughts towards Israel. I recognize them as the chosen nation of priests and kings.

The twelve were sent to the nations but didn't go any further than Antioch Ceasarea and the shores of Judah. Then the elders killed Stephen and God stepped in to send forth a new Apostle one called out of due season Saul/Paul.

Paul made followers of Jesus of both Jew and Gentile, these believers were made one man and one body in Christ Jesus via the Holy Ghost. I choose Jesus Christ via the Gospel of the grace of God as taught by Paul unto all men.

Your ideas and names calling now show who you really are.

a reply to: Heresiarch

Would you like to see that those 2 commandments are part of the Gospel of the grace of God and the teaching of Paul?

Rom 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to [his] purpose.
1Cor 8:3 But if any man love God, the same is known of him.
Rom 13:8-10 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

So what was that about us not following the two commandments Jesus taught the 12, it seems you are incorrect and know not the scriptures, Jonbet.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

Paul only specifically mentions that you have to JUST love your neighbor to fulfill the law, but leaving God out of it is not acceptable because Yeshua said that the greatest commandment was to love God, and second to that love your neighbor.

So by teaching it backwards and opposite to what Yeshua said he has gotten you to embrace the rejection of God by putting man as equal in importance to God. Yeshua would never condone.

And by claiming that Paul ALSO taught both by teaching the lesser of the two (commandments) is illogical to say the least.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

Paul has deceived billions of people for thousands of years that loving your neighbor is equal to loving God and that the lesser of two commandments fulfills the GREATEST commandment which is backwards illogical nonsense and blasphemy.

I am sorry you have fallen for the false salvationist pseudo-theology of Saul of Tarsus the false prophet. Some day Yeshua will wake you from the slumber when you are ready to accept the Holy Spirit and believe and be baptized.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

He is even clever enough to talk about loving God so blatantly to make it SEEM like what he is about to say comes from a man who told you to love God. Only he then shows his true intentions when he says that the Law is fulfilled by just loving your neighbor (even if you don't worship or love God directly) which is diabolical and I am not surprised you have fallen for it. I am surprised that you proved my point for me and didn't realize it. That is a little surprising.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Heresiarch

Would you like to see that those 2 commandments are part of the Gospel of the grace of God and the teaching of Paul?

Rom 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to [his] purpose.
1Cor 8:3 But if any man love God, the same is known of him.
Rom 13:8-10 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

So what was that about us not following the two commandments Jesus taught the 12, it seems you are incorrect and know not the scriptures, Jonbet.

"For he that loveth another hath fulfilled the Law"

That is a blatant lie hidden in some cleverly constructed fashion to decieve. You think you are fulfilling the Law by just loving your neighbor(or "another") but your not. Even if you pray, go to church donate money none of that is as important as loving God and any man who say that is probably the same man who:

Swares oaths in God's name that he is not lying. Not that he is telling the truth but that he isn't lying. Both and frequently.

Yeshua said "take no oaths by heaven by earth or by God" and "whoever does so is OF THE EVIL ONE."

I am going to believe that Yeshua was telling the truth about oath takers and apply it to Saul because I trust Yeshua, I can't just dismiss what he says because of religious nuts love his lazy hellbound doctrine.

Saul was/is of the Evil One. You follow Saul.


You used two separate versed to make it look like Paul was teaching that loving God is important to Saul but you didn't highlight ot highlited but glossed over the very devious statement

"He who loveth thy neighbor fulfills the Law."

Which hidden among a bunch of garbage doesn't even get noticed. But it shows how devious of s scumbag Paul is.

a reply to: Heresiarch

Go back and read the post he speaks of us "who Love God" you see we love him without being commanded too. Paul taught us to love each other and our neighbor and he called it a commandment, the commandments were given to Moses on the Mount.

If you cannot see that that the teaching by Paul is similar to that of Christ then you are blind and have not the holy Ghost to teach you. We love God and are known of him, He indwells us and we love one another and our neighbours, thus fulfilling a law not even commanded to a gentile to follow, we do it because we love God.

a reply to: Heresiarch
why don't you quote the instance of Paul swearing an oath.

Never mind let me and you and all can see these are not oaths or swearing, it is a use of them being witnesses that he speaks the truth

Ro 9:1 ¶ I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,
2Co 11:31 The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is blessed for evermore, knoweth that I lie not.
Ga 1:20 Now the things which I write unto you, behold, before God, I lie not.
1Ti 2:7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, [and] lie not; ) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.

Sorry no where in these instances does he say he swears by God or heaven or earth that he is not lying. Seems someone has lied to you perhaps.

You most certainly are Jonbet, Gnosisisfaith, Lastdays and the other 2 dozen user names you have.

It is your post that give you away.

Jer 13:23 Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? [then] may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Heresiarch

Go back and read the post he speaks of us "who Love God" you see we love him without being commanded too. Paul taught us to love each other and our neighbor and he called it a commandment, the commandments were given to Moses on the Mount.

If you cannot see that that the teaching by Paul is similar to that of Christ then you are blind and have not the holy Ghost to teach you. We love God and are known of him, He indwells us and we love one another and our neighbours, thus fulfilling a law not even commanded to a gentile to follow, we do it because we love God.

Go back and read my comment I guess because Saul is of the evil one, has gotten you to believe that loving others is equal to loving God "without being commanded to" or without showing it you mean because Yeshua did command that you must love God FIRST, not that loving on another fulfilled the Law. He taught the opposite.

You need to dump the KJV fetish and get a properly translated Bible because you are probably confused by the silly language they use that hasn't been in public use since BEFORE the first KJ was ever printed and was only used then because it matched up better with translation from the old texts.

It's out of date and you are missing so much and so confused by it. Get a Catholic NRSV because it is way more accurate.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Heresiarch
why don't you quote the instance of Paul swearing an oath.

Never mind let me and you and all can see these are not oaths or swearing, it is a use of them being witnesses that he speaks the truth

Ro 9:1 ¶ I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,
2Co 11:31 The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is blessed for evermore, knoweth that I lie not.
Ga 1:20 Now the things which I write unto you, behold, before God, I lie not.
1Ti 2:7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, [and] lie not; ) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.

Sorry no where in these instances does he say he swears by God or heaven or earth that he is not lying. Seems someone has lied to you perhaps.

You just quoted Paul swearing before the name of God AND Jesus. Why are you not noticing?

They are oaths because he is stating that he is speaking from God and from Jesus. He is using the name of God to legitimize his garbage "teachings"