One Gospel, one Kingdom.

a reply to: Joecanada11

You're just stirring us up!

originally posted by: Maigret
a reply to: newnature1


I suspect you are mixing up the Tribulation with the Day of Wrath. The Tribulation lasts for three and a half years, at the end of which time, God will vent His Wrath on the world and this only takes one day.

The Elect/Saints of God will have mostly been killed off by the Abomination of Desolation / Antichrist during the Tribulation and it is only AFTER the Tribulation (Matthew 24:29) that the angels of Yeshua will gather his followers - with the great sound of a trumpet. Isaiah 27:12 specifically states that it will be the children of Israel who will be raised up one by one at the great trumpet. Going by the description of events, I suspect this is the 7th and last Trumpet of Revelation.

The gospel of the Tribulation heralds the end of the age (telos), but the Day of Wrath is what finalises it (sunteleia); with Armageddon in between.

As to the seven letters you refer to, these are each about the seven churches in Asia - Turkey to be specific, going by the names. Christian theology has these as the seven successive ages of the Christian Church, but I have a more literal understanding.

If Christian theology is correct, that Jesus is Lord and Christians will be raptured to safety, then what is it that they have to overcome? What race do they have to run? What do they have to endure? For what do they need patience? Can you see why this Christian theology doesn't make any sense?

The Tribulation will be global! And include the references to 'running the race', 'enduring', 'patience', etc. The Day of Wrath will be global!

The seven letters about 'overcoming' are addressed to the people of the seven specific churches in Turkey; those in the flesh, which those days of the Tribulation were shortened for, will be hidden in safety by God, and so they will survive the Wrath, continue on to populate the radically-changed earth for the thousand year reign of the Messiah; until Satan is loosened from his chains and let out of the Abyss to attempt to deceive people again.

Thid apocalyptic imagery in Revelation is the least understood part of the Bible, and you are way off.

ELect/Saints are of Yeshua's Father who is the Most High / El Elyon and not Yahweh.

Yahweh WAS the God of Israel, he is not anymore. Not the Jews of the Kabbalah at least, the learned Jews. They know better.

Yahweh is also not Yeshuas Father in heaven.

Yeshuas Father in heaven has no wrath, he is merciful and you are reading it as if these events predicted 2000 years ago are actually going to happen.

The Revelation IN the book of Revelation is that we have all been deceived by Rome (not me) into following the FALSE teachings of: "Those who say they are Apostles, and are not"

That is Paul, whom is rejected in "all of Asia" his words.

Yeshua writes to the Ephesians and CONGRATULATES THEM for rejecting liars who "say they are Apostles"

Only Paul fits this description. Ephesus is ONE OF the 7 churches in Asia. Asia is the crux of the letter, all the letters are messages from Yeshua and NONE confirm Paul's apostleship but SEVERAL instances confirm that he IS NOT an Apostle, not accepted by Yeshua, and NOT a prophet of God. They confirm in fact that he is a LIAR.

But you concentrate too much on what you think it is supposed to mean and you miss THE WHOLE POINT OF THE REVELATION, which has nothing to do with the Apocalypse. It's a hidden message, hidden well, in Apocalyptic prophecy that was so popular at the time that nobody then realized that it contains a Revelation THAT ACTUALLY MEANS SOMETHING.

Not the nothing that is what you spew.

originally posted by: Heresiarch

originally posted by: Maigret
a reply to: newnature1


I suspect you are mixing up the Tribulation with the Day of Wrath. The Tribulation lasts for three and a half years, at the end of which time, God will vent His Wrath on the world and this only takes one day.

The Elect/Saints of God will have mostly been killed off by the Abomination of Desolation / Antichrist during the Tribulation and it is only AFTER the Tribulation (Matthew 24:29) that the angels of Yeshua will gather his followers - with the great sound of a trumpet. Isaiah 27:12 specifically states that it will be the children of Israel who will be raised up one by one at the great trumpet. Going by the description of events, I suspect this is the 7th and last Trumpet of Revelation.

The gospel of the Tribulation heralds the end of the age (telos), but the Day of Wrath is what finalises it (sunteleia); with Armageddon in between.

As to the seven letters you refer to, these are each about the seven churches in Asia - Turkey to be specific, going by the names. Christian theology has these as the seven successive ages of the Christian Church, but I have a more literal understanding.

If Christian theology is correct, that Jesus is Lord and Christians will be raptured to safety, then what is it that they have to overcome? What race do they have to run? What do they have to endure? For what do they need patience? Can you see why this Christian theology doesn't make any sense?

The Tribulation will be global! And include the references to 'running the race', 'enduring', 'patience', etc. The Day of Wrath will be global!

The seven letters about 'overcoming' are addressed to the people of the seven specific churches in Turkey; those in the flesh, which those days of the Tribulation were shortened for, will be hidden in safety by God, and so they will survive the Wrath, continue on to populate the radically-changed earth for the thousand year reign of the Messiah; until Satan is loosened from his chains and let out of the Abyss to attempt to deceive people again.

Thid apocalyptic imagery in Revelation is the least understood part of the Bible, and you are way off.

ELect/Saints are of Yeshua's Father who is the Most High / El Elyon and not Yahweh.

Yahweh WAS the God of Israel, he is not anymore. Not the Jews of the Kabbalah at least, the learned Jews. They know better.

Yahweh is also not Yeshuas Father in heaven.

Yeshuas Father in heaven has no wrath, he is merciful and you are reading it as if these events predicted 2000 years ago are actually going to happen.

The Revelation IN the book of Revelation is that we have all been deceived by Rome (not me) into following the FALSE teachings of: "Those who say they are Apostles, and are not"

That is Paul, whom is rejected in "all of Asia" his words.

Yeshua writes to the Ephesians and CONGRATULATES THEM for rejecting liars who "say they are Apostles"

Only Paul fits this description. Ephesus is ONE OF the 7 churches in Asia. Asia is the crux of the letter, all the letters are messages from Yeshua and NONE confirm Paul's apostleship but SEVERAL instances confirm that he IS NOT an Apostle, not accepted by Yeshua, and NOT a prophet of God. They confirm in fact that he is a LIAR.

But you concentrate too much on what you think it is supposed to mean and you miss THE WHOLE POINT OF THE REVELATION, which has nothing to do with the Apocalypse. It's a hidden message, hidden well, in Apocalyptic prophecy that was so popular at the time that nobody then realized that it contains a Revelation THAT ACTUALLY MEANS SOMETHING.

Not the nothing that is what you spew.

Again stop being offensive. This is not becoming of someone who is truly religious.

originally posted by: coomba98

originally posted by: Heresiarch

originally posted by: Maigret
a reply to: newnature1


I suspect you are mixing up the Tribulation with the Day of Wrath. The Tribulation lasts for three and a half years, at the end of which time, God will vent His Wrath on the world and this only takes one day.

The Elect/Saints of God will have mostly been killed off by the Abomination of Desolation / Antichrist during the Tribulation and it is only AFTER the Tribulation (Matthew 24:29) that the angels of Yeshua will gather his followers - with the great sound of a trumpet. Isaiah 27:12 specifically states that it will be the children of Israel who will be raised up one by one at the great trumpet. Going by the description of events, I suspect this is the 7th and last Trumpet of Revelation.

The gospel of the Tribulation heralds the end of the age (telos), but the Day of Wrath is what finalises it (sunteleia); with Armageddon in between.

As to the seven letters you refer to, these are each about the seven churches in Asia - Turkey to be specific, going by the names. Christian theology has these as the seven successive ages of the Christian Church, but I have a more literal understanding.

If Christian theology is correct, that Jesus is Lord and Christians will be raptured to safety, then what is it that they have to overcome? What race do they have to run? What do they have to endure? For what do they need patience? Can you see why this Christian theology doesn't make any sense?

The Tribulation will be global! And include the references to 'running the race', 'enduring', 'patience', etc. The Day of Wrath will be global!

The seven letters about 'overcoming' are addressed to the people of the seven specific churches in Turkey; those in the flesh, which those days of the Tribulation were shortened for, will be hidden in safety by God, and so they will survive the Wrath, continue on to populate the radically-changed earth for the thousand year reign of the Messiah; until Satan is loosened from his chains and let out of the Abyss to attempt to deceive people again.

Thid apocalyptic imagery in Revelation is the least understood part of the Bible, and you are way off.

ELect/Saints are of Yeshua's Father who is the Most High / El Elyon and not Yahweh.

Yahweh WAS the God of Israel, he is not anymore. Not the Jews of the Kabbalah at least, the learned Jews. They know better.

Yahweh is also not Yeshuas Father in heaven.

Yeshuas Father in heaven has no wrath, he is merciful and you are reading it as if these events predicted 2000 years ago are actually going to happen.

The Revelation IN the book of Revelation is that we have all been deceived by Rome (not me) into following the FALSE teachings of: "Those who say they are Apostles, and are not"

That is Paul, whom is rejected in "all of Asia" his words.

Yeshua writes to the Ephesians and CONGRATULATES THEM for rejecting liars who "say they are Apostles"

Only Paul fits this description. Ephesus is ONE OF the 7 churches in Asia. Asia is the crux of the letter, all the letters are messages from Yeshua and NONE confirm Paul's apostleship but SEVERAL instances confirm that he IS NOT an Apostle, not accepted by Yeshua, and NOT a prophet of God. They confirm in fact that he is a LIAR.

But you concentrate too much on what you think it is supposed to mean and you miss THE WHOLE POINT OF THE REVELATION, which has nothing to do with the Apocalypse. It's a hidden message, hidden well, in Apocalyptic prophecy that was so popular at the time that nobody then realized that it contains a Revelation THAT ACTUALLY MEANS SOMETHING.

Not the nothing that is what you spew.

Again stop being offensive. This is not becoming of someone who is truly religious.

I am not "truly religious" which is a gargage meaningless term that just means you follow a religion.

But that means you chose someone elses philosophy, not God. God is present in the form of the truth, which should not be offensive but if it is then so be it.

I will not stop telling the truth.

a reply to: coomba98

If you find the truth offensive then maybe have a look within is all I can tell you. Other than that you can stop pestering me because I am not going with the story because It is a lie and I hate lies, nobody lies more than Paul did.

originally posted by: Heresiarch

originally posted by: coomba98

originally posted by: Heresiarch

originally posted by: Maigret
a reply to: newnature1


I suspect you are mixing up the Tribulation with the Day of Wrath. The Tribulation lasts for three and a half years, at the end of which time, God will vent His Wrath on the world and this only takes one day.

The Elect/Saints of God will have mostly been killed off by the Abomination of Desolation / Antichrist during the Tribulation and it is only AFTER the Tribulation (Matthew 24:29) that the angels of Yeshua will gather his followers - with the great sound of a trumpet. Isaiah 27:12 specifically states that it will be the children of Israel who will be raised up one by one at the great trumpet. Going by the description of events, I suspect this is the 7th and last Trumpet of Revelation.

The gospel of the Tribulation heralds the end of the age (telos), but the Day of Wrath is what finalises it (sunteleia); with Armageddon in between.

As to the seven letters you refer to, these are each about the seven churches in Asia - Turkey to be specific, going by the names. Christian theology has these as the seven successive ages of the Christian Church, but I have a more literal understanding.

If Christian theology is correct, that Jesus is Lord and Christians will be raptured to safety, then what is it that they have to overcome? What race do they have to run? What do they have to endure? For what do they need patience? Can you see why this Christian theology doesn't make any sense?

The Tribulation will be global! And include the references to 'running the race', 'enduring', 'patience', etc. The Day of Wrath will be global!

The seven letters about 'overcoming' are addressed to the people of the seven specific churches in Turkey; those in the flesh, which those days of the Tribulation were shortened for, will be hidden in safety by God, and so they will survive the Wrath, continue on to populate the radically-changed earth for the thousand year reign of the Messiah; until Satan is loosened from his chains and let out of the Abyss to attempt to deceive people again.

Thid apocalyptic imagery in Revelation is the least understood part of the Bible, and you are way off.

ELect/Saints are of Yeshua's Father who is the Most High / El Elyon and not Yahweh.

Yahweh WAS the God of Israel, he is not anymore. Not the Jews of the Kabbalah at least, the learned Jews. They know better.

Yahweh is also not Yeshuas Father in heaven.

Yeshuas Father in heaven has no wrath, he is merciful and you are reading it as if these events predicted 2000 years ago are actually going to happen.

The Revelation IN the book of Revelation is that we have all been deceived by Rome (not me) into following the FALSE teachings of: "Those who say they are Apostles, and are not"

That is Paul, whom is rejected in "all of Asia" his words.

Yeshua writes to the Ephesians and CONGRATULATES THEM for rejecting liars who "say they are Apostles"

Only Paul fits this description. Ephesus is ONE OF the 7 churches in Asia. Asia is the crux of the letter, all the letters are messages from Yeshua and NONE confirm Paul's apostleship but SEVERAL instances confirm that he IS NOT an Apostle, not accepted by Yeshua, and NOT a prophet of God. They confirm in fact that he is a LIAR.

But you concentrate too much on what you think it is supposed to mean and you miss THE WHOLE POINT OF THE REVELATION, which has nothing to do with the Apocalypse. It's a hidden message, hidden well, in Apocalyptic prophecy that was so popular at the time that nobody then realized that it contains a Revelation THAT ACTUALLY MEANS SOMETHING.

Not the nothing that is what you spew.

Again stop being offensive. This is not becoming of someone who is truly religious.

I am not "truly religious" which is a gargage meaningless term that just means you follow a religion.

But that means you chose someone elses philosophy, not God. God is present in the form of the truth, which should not be offensive but if it is then so be it.

I will not stop telling the truth...

If you find the truth offensive then maybe have a look within is all I can tell you. Other than that you can stop pestering me because I am not going with the story because It is a lie and I hate lies, nobody lies more than Paul did.

Heresiarch ,
Man you are so religious its not funny. One would say fundamental religious given your attitude.
From what you have said in past posts your Gnostic, but not quiet Gnostic as like most if not all Christians its a cherry picking carnival with what you believe is true is not what others believe is true.

And yes I believe in someone elses philosophy, aka science, or what you would call logic.

Now im going to be direct. If you hate lies then you must hate yourself. Otherwise why 'persist' in such persistence of such obvious false beliefs! Not event proper Christians (which is what your are as Gnostics call themselves Christians) believe as you do. Such way out there beliefs even for Gnostics!

But im sure you think that you believe in the one that was from the beginning/origin.

Even logic can come to the conclusion that.... Before the light there was Darkness!

a reply to: Heresiarch


The Israelites will compose of people of all sorts of previous faiths - including those you mention. It is a matter of choice and commitment to either Yeshua or Jesus. The Tribulation will be over his name! This is the sword of division that Yeshua spoke of and it will extend even into between the closest of family members...

Can you imagine how the presence of someone appearing as Jesus Christ at his second coming is going to polarise the world, into religious fervor?

As Yeshua also said, 'Anyone who is not with him is against him', and this applies to the fence-sitters.

The Tribulation will only last 1,260 days! The thousand years of peace is when the Israelites will reign as priests of God and of HIs Son. It is when all evil and sin will have been removed from the world!

a reply to: Heresiarch


Watch!

Yeshua is the son of Yehovah, who is the Most High God - there is no other.

False prophets are identified and thus known, by their prophecies of 'Peace, peace' when there is none to be had.

The Book of Revelation can only be understood by other references throughout both Testaments of the Bible and the Tribulation is mentioned in most of them, including Enoch '1 The words of the blessing of Enoch, wherewith he blessed the elect and righteous, who will be 2 living in the day of tribulation, when all the wicked and godless are to be removed. And he took up his parable and said -Enoch a righteous man, whose eyes were opened by God, saw the vision of the Holy One in the heavens, which the angels showed me, and from them I heard everything, and from them I understood as I saw, but not for this generation, but for a remote one which is 3 for to come'.
Source: wesley.nnu.edu...

Heresiarch.

Out of curiosity, do you follow Immanuel son of El?

Or;

Yeshua son of Yahweh the you call a psychopath?
(And yes i think the same regarding Yahweh.).

a reply to: Heresiarch

the optimum words there is "GOING TO BE" but it is not yet.

There is a promised preserved word of God that any MAN living today can hold in their hand and have all the words of God just as he wanted them and said them in the original. Because God promised to keep them to every generation forever.

But Faith is needed to take God at his words.

Go to the Bible a read it again and you will see why Israel.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Heresiarch

the optimum words there is "GOING TO BE" but it is not yet.

There is a promised preserved word of God that any MAN living today can hold in their hand and have all the words of God just as he wanted them and said them in the original. Because God promised to keep them to every generation forever.

But Faith is needed to take God at his words.

Go to the Bible a read it again and you will see why Israel.

Actually, it's called Armageddon porn and you must be a nut case for being obsessed with the Jews not accepting Yeshua so much you believe that God is going to force them to accept him.

You think God is so concerned about Israel, a minuscule portion of the world population, but the rest of the world is not even his concern and even though they have a different culture and religion that has never had a reason to change is going to be damned even if they were good people while all the lowlifes who follow Saul's false gospel will be saved.

Yeshua would not approve of such elitist bigotry.

a reply to: Heresiarch

3D's at work again.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

You have clearly and I state this with the utmost certainly as someone who HAS:

Not received the Holy Spirit but a false doctrine of a lying false prophet. Israel is just fine with God. You are the one who is going to get it at Armageddon. You and all the rest of those of the evil one. Paul is of the evil one. He swares oaths to God and Yeshua said anyone who does that is of the evil one. You have been deceived by the Dragon of Rome.

I asked the Holy Spirit to release you from deception and he said you are perverting God's Law and have rejected him by rejecting the truth.

I tried.

a reply to: Maigret


Actually, when Israel first started worshipping Yahweh he was just a tribal God and not the Most High God. He is spoken of as a son of El who receives Israel as an inheritance in Deuteronomy 32 I believe it is. That is if you have an honest translation. Not the corrupt KJV or NIV.

a reply to: coomba98

What is your problem dude? You are seriously obsessed or something. I said I don't consider myself religious and think religion is mostly misunderstood mythology with esoteric meaning. You would go so far as to try and force me, in your mind, to be religious because you say so.

What is your agenda?

a reply to: Heresiarch

Oh wait are you the resurrected Jonbet.

Your hateful speech and rhetoric give you away.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

Your the one hating on Israel. I am sticking up for them BECAUSE of YOUR hatred at them for not accepting your false doctrine.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

Stop working for Satan.

a reply to: Heresiarch

Jonbet, I love Israel and Pray for them everyday.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

Israel doesn't want or need you to pray to your false "god" they are just fine. God doesn't have a 2000 year old grudge.

You are of the prince of flies Baalzebul and Legion.