Noticed it yet? Israel has not being targeted by ISIS or Other Terrorists

a reply to: theultimatebelgianjoke

Why did ISIS advanced under US-coalition raids and got defeated after Russian ones ?

ISIS has been contracting in Iraq while it expanded in Syria. After years of allowing it to grow, Assad has only made progress against it in the past week. Meanwhile, it is gaining strength in what used to be Libya. Is Russia planning on fighting it in North Africa?

originally posted by: DJW001
The problem is that Palestinian terror has made the Israeli population fearful, and willing to sacrifice their ideals in the hope of securing safety.

originally posted by: theultimatebelgianjoke
Could this have to do with the fact that, the Palestinians never got their autonomy recognized ?
It's kind of double-standards to consider legitimate to defend from an attack that has been caused by the anger generated by illegitimate occupation.

originally posted by: DJW001
Most Jews living outside of Israel do not support the Likud government or the religious maniacs who want to rebuild the Temple.

orginally posted by: theultimatebelgianjoke
It might be time to wonder why the diasporic Jews are attacked as well.
Could it have something to do with the anger caused by Israel's actions ?

originally posted by: DJW001
On the other hand, the religious right in the United States does. After all, there has to be a Kingdom of Israel for Jesus to rule over when he comes back, right?

originally posted by: theultimatebelgianjoke
Yeah ... bash people because the one you pretend to defend have been once sacrificed on the Altar of 'ethnic proselytism' ideology ... What for an ideal is Israel running after ATM ?

originally posted by: theultimatebelgianjoke
Do you really think a magical being will come down from the sky once the Knesset passes the Jewish state bill ?

originally posted by: DJW001
At the risk of bringing this off topic again, please explain why you think that opposing a Jewish homeland where Jews can take refuge from persecution, ie, being Anti-Zionist, is not Anti-Semitic. What fine distinction do you put on it?

originally posted by: theultimatebelgianjoke
You're missing the fact that Israel only existed as of the end of WWII.
You're missing the reason why Israel has been created.
You're missing the wars Israel has already wagged against his neighbours.
You're missing to consider the real values of the concept of 'ethnic proselytism' when it turns to have geopolitical implications.

originally posted by: DJW001
Also, how can you rationalize blaming Jews for their persecution?

originally posted by: theultimatebelgianjoke
Well then it might be time to wonder why, wherever they went, the Jews manage to attract animosity against themselves.
Aren't people supposed to be responsible of the consequence of their own behaviour ?

originally posted by: DJW001
Isn't that like blaming Africans for being enslaved by King Leopold?

originally posted by: theultimatebelgianjoke
Would you dare to consider that it's up to Israel at the moment to enforce what you consider to be illegitimate Israelis settlements ... Kind of conflicting situation isn't it ?

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: theultimatebelgianjoke

Why did ISIS advanced under US-coalition raids and got defeated after Russian ones ?

ISIS has been contracting in Iraq while it expanded in Syria. After years of allowing it to grow, Assad has only made progress against it in the past week. Meanwhile, it is gaining strength in what used to be Libya. Is Russia planning on fighting it in North Africa?

No envy to wonder WTF the US have been doing for 5 years ?

a reply to: theultimatebelgianjoke

As usual,it's all the Jews' fault. If you must insist on dragging this thread off topic, please explain why you are categorically opposed to the Jews having a homeland where they can be free from persecution.

a reply to: theultimatebelgianjoke

No envy to wonder WTF the US have been doing for 5 years ?

They have been herding cats in a hostile land. You're not curious why Assad did nothing against ISIS for four years and buys oil from them?

originally posted by: DJW001
As usual,it's all the Jews' fault. If you must insist on dragging this thread off topic, please explain why you are categorically opposed to the Jews having a homeland where they can be free from persecution.

originally posted by: theultimatebelgianjoke
In summary :
Two state solution, borders of 1967, no proclamation of the 'Jewish state' which I view as a way to enforce judaic-theocracy in Israel.

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: theultimatebelgianjoke

No envy to wonder WTF the US have been doing for 5 years ?

They have been herding cats in a hostile land. You're not curious why Assad did nothing against ISIS for four years and buys oil from them?

That statement has been previously debunked in this thread :

Russian President Putin orders withdrawal of Russian forces from Syria

a reply to: theultimatebelgianjoke

Two state solution, borders of 1967, no proclamation of the 'Jewish state' which I view as a way to enforce judaic-theocracy in Israel.

What's wrong with a Jewish state, provided it is a secular republic, as it always has been?

originally posted by: theultimatebelgianjoke

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: theultimatebelgianjoke

No envy to wonder WTF the US have been doing for 5 years ?

They have been herding cats in a hostile land. You're not curious why Assad did nothing against ISIS for four years and buys oil from them?

That statement has been previously debunked in this thread :

Russian President Putin orders withdrawal of Russian forces from Syria

You can't debunk the truth, no matter what the state controlled Russian media says.

a reply to: DJW001

originally posted by: DJW001
You can't debunk the truth, no matter what the state controlled Russian media says.

originally posted by: theultimatebelgianjoke
That statement has been previously debunked in this thread :
Russian President Putin orders withdrawal of Russian forces from Syria

a reply to: theultimatebelgianjoke

As usual, there is no point in trying to have a rational conversation with you. Believe whatever you want, but I don't think those civilians who were killed in Brussels were responsible for their own deaths any more than the Jews have been responsible for their own persecution.

a reply to: DJW001

originally posted by: theultimatebelgianjoke
No envy to wonder WTF the US have been doing for 5 years ?

CIA-armed militias are shooting at Pentagon-armed ones in Syria





SAS deployed in Libya since start of year, says leaked memo

a reply to: theultimatebelgianjoke

CIA-armed militias are shooting at Pentagon-armed ones in Syria

Well it's pretty simple really as to why it happens...

The attacks come amid continued heavy fighting in Syria and illustrate the difficulty facing U.S. efforts to coordinate among dozens of armed groups that are trying to overthrow the government of President Bashar Assad, fight the Islamic State militant group and battle one another all at the same time.

"It is an enormous challenge," said Rep. Adam Schiff of California, the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, who described the clashes between U.S.-supported groups as "a fairly new phenomenon."

"It is part of the three-dimensional chess that is the Syrian battlefield," he said.

www.chicagotribune.com...

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

So - as illustrated before through Clinton's email - the main US objective has always been to go after Assad.
In order to weaken Iran, so that Israel can maintain its (unofficial) nuclear supremacy.

The Russian intervention changed the game.



Syria - How The Palmyra Victory Changes the Narrative

The liberation of Palmyra is a decisive turning point in the war on Syria. While there were earlier military successes by the Syrian Arab Army and its allies, the publicity value of securing the valued Roman ruins of Palmyra is much higher than any earlier victory. It will change some of the false narratives of the conflict.

The Syrian government is no longer "the Assad regime" and the Syrian Arab Army no longer the "Assad forces". Ban Ki Moon, the head of the United Nations, congratulated the Syrian government to its success:
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The myth that the Syrian and Russian government are in cahoots with the Islamic State, told by various propagandist as well as the British and U.S. government, has now proven to be false.

a reply to: theultimatebelgianjoke

In order to weaken Iran, so that Israel can maintain its (unofficial) nuclear supremacy.

Would the Israelis prefer Jihadists and Saudi/Turk Islamists controlling Syria and their borders? which they could easily just keep on bombing and destroying the Walls?

Not sure who came up with the notion that Israel would benefit if only Islamists took over Syria as they are slowly taking over Libya now.

But the conditions would be nowhere near stable.

a reply to: TaleDawn

Absolutely, and in that context, the memo of King Abdullah from Jordan is very interesting as well :

...

However, the Jordanians had become frustrated over perceived US inaction over the Middle East in recent months. Five years of fighting in Syria have dramatically impacted on Jordan, which has absorbed more than 630,000 Syrian refugees, and the king has repeatedly called for decisive action to end the conflict.

He told those present: “The problem is bigger than Isil [Islamic State], this is a third world war, this is Christians, Jews working with Muslims against outlaws.”

The memo indicates that Abdullah also told US lawmakers:

- The Turkish president, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, “believes in a radical Islamic solution to the problems in the region” and the “fact that terrorists are going to Europe is part of Turkish policy, and Turkey keeps getting a slap on the hand, but they get off the hook”.

- Intelligence agencies want to keep terrorist websites “open so they can use them to track extremists” and Google had told the Jordanian monarch “they have 500 people working on this”.

- Israel “looks the other way” at the al-Qaida affiliate Jabhat al-Nusra on its border with Syria because “they regard them as an opposition to Hezbollah”.

The king raised particular concerns over al-Shabaab, the Islamist militant group in Somalia that has links with both Isis and al-Qaida.

“Jordan is looking at al-Shabaab because no one was really looking at the issue, and we cannot separate this issue, and the need to look at all the hotspots in the map,” he said, adding: “We have a rapid deployment force that will stand with the British and Kenya and is ready to go over the border [into Somalia].”

Abdullah said “we started with al-Shabaab, as they feed into Libya”, which has descended into chaos since the overthrow of Muammar Gaddafi by NATO forces.

a reply to: theultimatebelgianjoke

That is the question i ask journalists and myself.

The Western Anti-ISIS coalition was bombing Syria for two years in Syria and yet what were the achievements of the Western Anti-ISIS coalition on the ground?

If America cared about Syria's historical past they could have assisted Syrian Arab Army forces whom were getting attacked by ISIS in palmyra last year.


So my main question what were our armed forces targeting in Syria really then? decoy targets? abounded places? to this day i have gotten no answer, nor reply.

a reply to: theultimatebelgianjoke

So - as illustrated before through Clinton's email - the main US objective has always been to go after Assad.

No, the Clinton email does not prove that. It only proves that diplomats were speculating on different outcomes, and which outcomes were more desirable. All that was four years ago, before the toll of the conflict was apparent and before ISIS began to make its presence known.

In order to weaken Iran, so that Israel can maintain its (unofficial) nuclear supremacy.

A complete non sequitur. Iran's nuclear weapons research is in no way contingent on events in Syria. Israel would rather be surrounded by stable states it can negotiate with than unpredictable terrorists.

As for its unofficial nuclear superiority, what makes you think Israel is the only country in that region in that club?