Trump does not belive in climate change

originally posted by: vjr1113

originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: vjr1113

There is not a MAJORITY. That is the point. There is a group of, which have LIED about being a majority for years in the hopes of greater funding and grants-


They cried wolf and sold doom porn. That is not very respectful of the scientific process of discovery and revelation.

They still cry wolf about this. SO you know what?

Prove it with 100% verifiable proof that 100% of scientists cant deny. Then get back to us.

"Multiple studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals1 show that 97 percent or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree: Climate-warming trends over the past century are very likely due to human activities. In addition, most of the leading scientific organizations worldwide have issued public statements endorsing this position. The following is a partial list of these organizations, along with links to their published statements and a selection of related resources."
NASA

its not that hard to understand how co2 and n2o can increase a green house effect. the internet is full of information, you have no excuse not to understand global warming. unless you dont want to or dont care about truth, i dont know your motives. maybe you know more about science than nasa and the majority of scientists.

Finally someone intelligent on this thread. I was about to give up...

a reply to: Sremmos80

Seriously people have no logic any more. I cannot believe all these people-what are they like 12-years old?
You have to be pretty dumb to say that everything we are doing to the planet has no effect on it. You also have to have zero understanding of math, as the Earth's climate is an elaborate physics equation. Change one zero to a one and your end result will be very different. Leave science up to the scientists. we need a new site only for intelligent people. This isn't Facebook where you bitch and complain all day about your views. This is a science site. Or was at least at one time. Those days are gone it looks like. That is why I rarely ever post here anymore.

So let me see if I get this straight. I'm supposed to NOT believe scientists and Universities and Scientific organizations and associations, because they're all lying to me?

But I'm supposed to believe Right wing propaganda websites and news pundits?

I'm confused. Tell me who again which scientists and scientific organizations are denying both "man made global warming" and "Global warming irregardless of cause" .

One or two guys ain't gonna cut it. It would need to be some real scientific organizations. I always laugh when you guys tell me NASA is lying to me about climate change and by proxy, the 200 scientific organizations they have linked from their website and all the major universities in the US and the world really. So who should I get my information from?

The usual answer is research it yourself and you'll see there is no concensus, but when I google it and DON"T use the propaganda websites, I find that there really is a concensus and most scientists agree?

Some of you will then post graphs and charts pretending that you're smarter than actual climate scientists. Forgive me if I believe them, actual scientists, over you guys who are just hacks like me on ATS>

Go!

No proof huh? It's all "speculation" right? Do you need any other proof?

a reply to: samlf3rd

Can you kindly tell us a bit about the video? I clicked to watch, but it's nearly 3 hours long....
also - many members are unable to view videos.

Summarize it for us please?
PS: I'm a tree-hugger and a greenie.....

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: samlf3rd

Can you kindly tell us a bit about the video? I clicked to watch, but it's nearly 3 hours long....
also - many members are unable to view videos.

Summarize it for us please?
PS: I'm a tree-hugger and a greenie.....

Both videos I posted contain a ton of graphs, charts, and explanations of exactly how the world is changing due to extreme rises in the PPM & PPB of CO2, Methane, and Nitrous Oxide in the atmosphere. The recent temp rises have made permafrost melts rise which releases methane, and in turn raises the temps of the sea, land, and air. In the past 20 years the graphs take a vertical leap upward. We have actually crossed several points of no-return. It won't stop now even if you quit using fossil fuels. We will continue to raise temps globally, as these gases stay in the atmosphere for tens/hundreds of years.

a reply to: samlf3rd

Awesome...

I will watch it asap.....

Thanks for your summary.
(Also - I have been on this thread from the beginning.....)

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Watch the other video I posted on page 6-it is shorter and sums it all up about the Methane problem. This video does too, but I like the first one.

a reply to: samlf3rd

Yeah, I saw that one, too - and intend to watch it....

clicked through the thread instead, and found the second one you posted.

Thanks for the material......

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: CosmicSmack

Where do you get that understanding from?

It is true that the earth goes thru cycles of warming and cooling, that isn't the issue. It is the rate at which it is happening right now.

Indeed, one of the slowest cycle changes that can possibly be imagined.

Not an IOTA of ocean rising STILL after 25 years of measuring and waiting.

And just what IS the rate to you.

Things are pretty much the dam same they have been in all my years, how about yours ?

originally posted by: vjr1113
nasa disagrees with him. so believe the guy who builds casinos or the people who went to the moon.

Ya because NASA wouldn't be biased... and also in no way would they make up excuses not to go for 50 years.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
Same old same old already in here.

All about a scam to get money, the theoretical billions that will go to all the scientist who are all in on this!

While ignoring the actual trillions being made by the current system of fossil fuels. But hey, lets ignore that money and why they would have a horse in denying it and just focus on the made up billions that will be made if we take the blinders off our eyes.
climate.nasa.gov...

Ya, keep telling yourself the scientists are free to use a system which they did not design, and calculations they do not control, or decide how they can use, and when.....are really a big threat to the trillions being made, and that both sides of the argument are not controlled by said trillions.

What's more, the forests being burnt down argument is getting old, how about you travel to where all of this is supposedly taking place, you will see the forests are growing in and are far larger than they were 20 years ago.

Is your air noticeably worse than it has been ? The foliage here is growing so fast we cant cut it down fast enough, but your scientists who live inside a set system who think they have enough details and info to make some pretty strange statements are telling the full truth ?

When is it, that you will realize they are not even CLOSE to programming enough variables into the models BECAUSE of said trillions.

It is amazing to me how you dumb and simple you think these people really are.

a reply to: ParasuvO

So just came in with more talking points and nothing backing any claim up. K

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: CosmicSmack

So you also think the moon landing was faked...

One of the easiest fakes I have ever seen, they dare not pull it off now with all the tech available to the public, and wow, they haven't!

I wager that not one human will travel to the moon or anywhere else in the next 50 years, and beyond.

Year by year we go by, with the fools all telling themselves it is just a matter of time.

Funny as tech speeds up space exploration crawls to a stop, perfectly logical.

The religion of " we landed on the moon" is a good one , that is for sure.

It seems dangerous to me to make climate change a left/right issue. I voted Trump and hope I get to again, I wont vote for Cruz or Kasich, I may go full suicide and vote Hillary if Bernie cant squeak through. Im sure Trump has to deny climate change and some other stuff because he is running republican or they would slam him on that too.

a reply to: Sremmos80

Should sound familiar, all talking points, and no real evidence to back up claims, just like Nasa evolution as we are told and climate change people.

You should notice the numbers of people that believe even one of these, if not all 3 is shrinking by the day because of lack of evidence and accountability in all of these tales.

Those that actually research things for themselves are highly likely to question that these theories and stories are 100% truth,

originally posted by: vjr1113

originally posted by: Sremmos80
Same old same old already in here.

All about a scam to get money, the theoretical billions that will go to all the scientist who are all in on this!

While ignoring the actual trillions being made by the current system of fossil fuels. But hey, lets ignore that money and why they would have a horse in denying it and just focus on the made up billions that will be made if we take the blinders off our eyes.
climate.nasa.gov...

a bit off topic but this post resonates.

its very clear we dont need fossil fuels as much, or in some cases at all, the only reason oil is still relevant is because of the car, military, and oil industry making billions and billions. oil is about as dated as betamax and its costing us our environment and funding Arabia and to some extent the biggest enemies of civilization.

Calling them fossil fuels is as funny as it gets.

What makes you think all of those things are the product of fossils ?

I think modern "science" is as controlled and told how to think as all the religions combined, they have ZERO proof and should not lie so easily and tell the public "fossil fuels" when most of them already scoff at the notion.

a reply to: ParasuvO

I was asking you to back up your claims, like the one above. Not sure you know what fossil fuels means. Maybe you missed it in your own research...

Show me the forest are stronger than ever and your other claims.

Also I don't think evolution or climate change is 100% the truth. They are just the best explanation based on the available evidence.

Well there you go! How could anybody consider voting for someone who is crazy enough to think we aren't damaging the planet, and would consequently take no actions to correct it or help it?

Case closed, then. Trump is out.

a reply to: angeldoll

What's your solution for saving Earth?