Police Officer talks about his experience at Trump's rally in Tucson: AWESOME!

originally posted by: spiritualzombie

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Actually, I used to kinda admire the guy.

Now, I think he's dangerous. But I'm not afraid of him, and I certainly don't hate him. Hate is very personal, and I don't know him (obviously).

Also,

Trump has incited violence at his rallies and violence has happened.

I agree with all of this. I do not hate Trump. I used to like a lot of what he said. But he went of the deep end on too many things. Even generals were saying, "uhhh, we can't do that. that's a war crime." and his response? "If I tell them to do it, believe me, they'll do it." Whaaaaaaaat?

He changes directions so much, but goes way off the deep end into violence and narcissism.

He sounds dangerous.

And he's the first candidate in history where instead of his supporters holding him to his word they say "Don't worry, he won't REALLY do that." Whaaaaaaat?

He's too dangerous. And the racists hatefuls flock to him. Red flags all over the place!!!

As long as we keep the current crop in place, we're safe.. no dangerous people there.

I mean if you ignore the buildings flattened in New York City, thousands dead, millions of dead people all over the world, the conditions set for WWIII, rising poverty and unrest, riots all over the country, terrorists killing people in the western world in mass shootings, American weapons in the hands of ISIS, Iran testing ballistic missiles, North Korea threatening a strike on New York, refugees flooding into Europe in their millions, Russia threatening to nuke North Korea and racial division akin to the 60's... if you ignore all those then I think we can say that the current approach over the last 20 years is making the world very safe indeed.

I think building a wall and stopping illegal immigration and terrorists entering the country is far too big a risk to take.

originally posted by: UKTruth

I dislike lies and political agendas that remove individual liberty even more.

I'd be very wary of supporting Mr. Trump then, in any shape, form or fashion.

Also ... apparently, I was mistaken about the numbers. Other sources are stating there were about 8500 TOTAL people there, with about 6000 being Trump supporters. Thanks for the correction!

originally posted by: tadaman
Trump is not asking people to incite violence.

Except this stuff...

If you see someone getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them. Seriously. Just knock the hell... I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees. I promise.

I love the old days. You know what they used to do to guys like that when they were in a place like this? They'd be carried out on a stretcher.

In the good old days, they'd rip him out of that seat so fast, but today everybody's politically correct. Our country's going to hell with being politically correct.

We had four guys, they jumped on him, they were swinging and swinging... We don't want to be too politically correct anymore, right folks?

Get him out. Try not to hurt him. If you do, I'll defend you in court, don't worry about it.

a reply to: spiritualzombie

Yet he has done nothing and his supporters have not by and large.

The only people inciting violence are Hillary and George Soros who send agitators with the express purpose of fomenting violence that can be capitalized on the media with 24/7 coverage of isolated incidents of less than a handful of people in all events. This in turn vilifies Trump and makes Sanders look bad, thus allowing Hillary the win.

Its dangerous since Hillary and George Soros could provoke a riot one day, since they are hiring criminals and extremists to act as agent provocateurs.

Words are nothing compared to actual use of force, Something only the opposition is guilty of in mass and ideology of intent

originally posted by: tadaman

Words are nothing compared to actual use of force, Something only the opposition is guilty of in mass and ideology of intent

So, first you say he hasn't asked anyone to incite violence. I prove otherwise, you follow up with "words are nothing".

You lose.

originally posted by: spiritualzombie

originally posted by: tadaman

Words are nothing compared to actual use of force, Something only the opposition is guilty of in mass and ideology of intent

So, first you say he hasn't asked anyone to incite violence. I prove otherwise, you follow up with "words are nothing".

You lose.

Any one who tells hundreds to thousands of people to shut up and listen deserves the Darwin Award and whatever biological consequences follow from that.

The lack of reality in your words suggests your words are just words.

a reply to: spiritualzombie

Its not a competition. Not my prerogative.

I did not deny he said those things. I only said you guys are failing to apply context.

I also said actions speak louder than words.

So far he nor his supporters have been violent by and large.

Star for you and star for everyone on this page! You need them to "WIN"

LOL

Too bad most people will just quietly vote for him
no matter how much you say "I DONT LIKE HIM BURRR"

I just watched Judge Napolitano talk about the protesters and he gave a very clear view.

If the protesters interrupt Trumps speech they can be thrown out and are breaking the rules of legitimate protest.
They can however hold their signs or dress how they want in protest and they have the right to stay.

This only relates to being inside the venue Trump has hired for his speech to his supporters

Pretty clear to me. Obviously if these people have to be forcefully removed because they won't leave, that is ok, though it cant be excessive and the police have the job of 'walking the fine line' as he put it.

Obviously no legal scenario where a person can punch someone in the face.

Finally he made it clear that Trump is no way legally accountable for any acts of violence that have occurred.

originally posted by: tadaman
So far he nor his supporters have been violent by and large.

By and large.... what exactly is by and large. Is it because your statement doesn't hold water without it?

a reply to: spiritualzombie

It is English.

My statement is written in basic English.

MOST, 99.9% of Trump supporters are not violent.

Your argument hinges on twisting words.

THAT is why you take notice and take issue. You cant twist my words. I only speak in truth.

You need to blow up the actions of less than a handful of people to paint a narrative not supported by the plethora of facts and the cornucopia of evidence suggesting a whole host of proof that is contrary to your far flung far fetched argument firmly cemented in absurdity.

In fact I would say there are an endless ways to say the truth backed by so many logical and well founded arguments because the truth is ample and well fomented in its simplicity and honesty.

Only lies need repeat the same lie so many times and so loudly that it begins to sound like truth. Only lies need twist and hide in half truths so as to set the tone they need to survive in.

Kind of like the MSM doing 24/7 coverage of these less than a handful of people acting up out of THOUSANDS peacefully gathered so as to say that MOST are violent by and large. Something that is just not true as proven here ad nausium.


It all ignores the simple truth that George Soros and Hillary sent the protesters to incite violence.


By and large, mostly. matter of factly speaking,

a reply to: UKTruth

That's fine. Enjoy Trump.

But next time all the little right wing babies scream Obama secret muslim socialist Hitler and point at healthcare as the big evil, forgive the sane people for rolling our eyes, especially when you follow up with an enthusiastic vote for torture, murder, and banning all muslims.

a reply to: tadaman


I've actually been using his quotes. Sticking to his position on issues like foreign policy and immigration.

a reply to: spiritualzombie

Here, i have been reading your convo and i will make some sense about this to you in english.

Trump doesn't want violence and neither do his supporters. But maybe if some violence did take place, not due to their actions of course, then they would look into it and figure out it wasn't their fault and that they are innocent.

a reply to: spiritualzombie

and you have not taken those words into context. yes. We have been through this.

His ACTIONS and those of his supporters do not support the narrative you wish to set. Sorry.

George Soros and Hillary paid and sent the protesters to incite violence, respectively.

originally posted by: spiritualzombie
a reply to: UKTruth

That's fine. Enjoy Trump.

But next time all the little right wing babies scream Obama secret muslim socialist Hitler and point at healthcare as the big evil, forgive the sane people for rolling our eyes, especially when you follow up with an enthusiastic vote for torture, murder, and banning all muslims.

Obama is OK with the murder and torture, especially the torture of folks who had healthcare they liked. Torture in the name of equality.

I thought the Policeman in the OP was truthful and genuinely disturbed by the mindless childishness of the intruders.

Have they considered a offering proof that their point of view is better?

a reply to: Semicollegiate

I don't doubt the cop's account of his experience at the rally. I believe he saw everything he described. It's horrible.

It's also horrible and incredibly blind that Trump supporters pretend that Trump has said nothing to incite this backlash.

It's all Soros and Hillary and none of the dreck that's come from Trump's own mouth. It's typical one sided BS.

originally posted by: spiritualzombie
a reply to: Semicollegiate

I don't doubt the cop's account of his experience at the rally. I believe he saw everything he described. It's horrible.

It's also horrible and incredibly blind that Trump supporters pretend that Trump has said nothing to incite this backlash.

It's all Soros and Hillary and none of the dreck that's come from Trump's own mouth. It's typical one sided BS.

If anti-Trumpers can't control themselves, how can you expect anyone else to?

The counter to Trump is supposed to be the truth. Looks like you ain't got no truth.

TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

Wow we've still got pc anti everything people coming here arguing, interesting...

originally posted by: Gryphon66


Wow, thats a blast from the past ...

If the logic of the accusations I was addressing is that any actions taken which may impede or inhibit speech on the part of Trump or his followers is indeed an occasion of "supression of the freedom of speech" ... then logically, actions taken here which may impede or inhibit speech on the part of Trump dissenters here is effectively attempting to "silence free speech at ATS."

Notice also my final assertion in that section which stated that the tautology inherent in those claims was the issue.

you said and i quote

"Those of you here who are Trump supporters who personally attack every dissenting post that doesn't properly respect your hero ... what are you doing?

Are you acting to silence/frustrate/thwart the speech of others you don't agree with while you complain that is what is being done to your hero?

Do you understand the irony of your actions?"

My point was responding to a post and disagreeing with it like the posters you are mentioning were doing is vastly different than trying to # down a speaker, or trying to keep people from hearing a speaker, it is merely disagreeing with other people. This is called debate. This is not impeding or inhibiting anyone's speech. My saying, "no you are wrong I disagree with you" Is different than trying to stop you from getting to hear someone speak or calling them a racists or spitting on them or any of the other things the officer in the OP mentions. The fact that you try to equate these two positions shows your bias, and also shows the mental stae of many Trump haters.

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