Police Officer talks about his experience at Trump's rally in Tucson: AWESOME!

a reply to: Gryphon66

No he has not.

Even you provided a source that said Trump has distanced himself from the violence officially.

The video shows COUNTLESS people not being violent.

Only less than a fraction of 1% of the people peacefully gathered did a thing.

It shows what we have been saying.

One or 3 people out of many thousands at each event. The vast majority were peacful.

Nice!

Thanks man!

Statistically speaking that shows that we are above average in being peaceful and restrained!!!

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: yuppa

Arguing from the dictionary again? Enjoy that.

You'll have to talk to the protesters about their reasoning for civil disobedience.

I've said previously, perhaps you missed it, that I think blocking traffic for any reason is stupid.

I know and Im definign what a act of civil dissobedience is for you. The protestors themselves dodnt know th eactual meaning then do they?

Good heavens. I provided you with a definition of civil disobedience. You provided me with one. So, we're 1-1 on that score.

You're trying to argue with me that what protesters are doing doesn't fit with your understanding of "civil disobedience" which you now seem to understand involves breaking the law, which you didn't understand as we began the conversation.

You would have to speak with the people performing the civil disobedience to understand their reasons why they are doing it. Declaring that you don't think what they are doing is civil disobedience because it doesn't meet your definition ... is your issue.

NO MY definition is the one in the US law books and THATS the one you are prosecuted under. It has VERY SPECIFIC things that have to be done to be civil disobedianece. And Not all Civil disobedience has to be lawbreaking(since were calling protesting that now right?)

a reply to: tadaman

Trump has incited violence at his rallies and violence has happened.

I've provided a few examples of freely and easily available video evidence of same.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: UKTruth

There were 10500 estimated protesters in Chicago.

Are you claiming (as you seem to be which is where I find the claim ludicrous) that all 10500 are leftist paid terrorists masquerading as protesters.

My position is here: on both sides there is violence. The violence was instigated by Trump's words and action originally, and has now taken on a life of it's own, as such things do. Now, in a sense, the genie is out of the bottle, and this violence is going to have to run it's course.

Most of the people on both sides are not violent. The difference is that Trump is and does clearly advocate for violence.

We can agree to disagree on the last if we must.

No, I think many of them were along for the ride. Those that were interviewed on the night had no clue why they were even there, others quoted comments they thought came from Trump but didn't. Others were parading around in freely handed out Hitler T-shirts claiming 'yeah he's like Hitler, but not as bad as the concentration camps'. I mean come on. These people were a joke.

It's called mass hysteria and is whipped up not by Trump's words but by political movements who organised, recruited agitators to attend and funded the event. They even had Bill Ayers there and I noted some bloke from the Communist revolution paper. It was a rag tag collection of people who all had some variation of angst, but all knew how to shout 'f*** Trump'

I have seen real protests. Passionate, unified and clear. Chicago was not in the same ball park.
There were also not 10.500 protesters. There were about 3,000.

All political theatre - manufactured and impotent.

The villains were the progressive terrorists, the professional agitators whipping up a storm. It's those people I will continue to call out.not just for their sedition, but for the vile attempts to claim moral superiority after the event by claiming a 'loving, peaceful and courageous event'. I would have had more respect for them if they had just said 'we're going to tear the place up'. Too cowardly to do that.

They were all isolated incidents and have no bearing on anything because i don't like the idea that they do.

Trump has not encourage violence. All he was saying was that if some did happen it might not be so wrong if you think about it.

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: yuppa

Arguing from the dictionary again? Enjoy that.

You'll have to talk to the protesters about their reasoning for civil disobedience.

I've said previously, perhaps you missed it, that I think blocking traffic for any reason is stupid.

I know and Im definign what a act of civil dissobedience is for you. The protestors themselves dodnt know th eactual meaning then do they?

Good heavens. I provided you with a definition of civil disobedience. You provided me with one. So, we're 1-1 on that score.

You're trying to argue with me that what protesters are doing doesn't fit with your understanding of "civil disobedience" which you now seem to understand involves breaking the law, which you didn't understand as we began the conversation.

You would have to speak with the people performing the civil disobedience to understand their reasons why they are doing it. Declaring that you don't think what they are doing is civil disobedience because it doesn't meet your definition ... is your issue.

NO MY definition is the one in the US law books and THATS the one you are prosecuted under. It has VERY SPECIFIC things that have to be done to be civil disobedianece. And Not all Civil disobedience has to be lawbreaking(since were calling protesting that now right?)

Why don't you cite the section of the USC that contains your definition?

And yes, breaking the law, either literally or symbolically, is the essence of Civil DISOBEDIENCE.

a reply to: Gryphon66

No, when you disobey something that means you do exactly as that thing says to do.

a reply to: UKTruth

So, there's no chance that out of 10500 people, there were those who were there (or even the majority who were there) because they have listened to Mr. Trump's speeches, witnessed his events, find his proposed policies abhorrent ... none or very few of those 10500 people were there of their own accord, making a political statement as is their American right?

Wow, that's a broad unbelievable statement! I find it ridiculous if that's really what you are saying.

Is that what you are saying?

originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: spiritualzombie

that is a far fetched interpretation of his words well out of context. Its fear based fed by MSM

Out of context? Direct from Trump himself:

Murder of innocent families

"You have to take out their families. When you get these terrorists. You have to take out their families. They care about their lives, don't kid yourself. When they say they don't care about their lives, you have to take out their families."

Amp up torture

"I'd bring back a hell of a lot worse than waterboarding."
"....And if it doesn't work, they deserve it anyway."

Do you really need quotes for the banning of people based entirely on religion? Do you really need quotes for his deportation stance?

And what does he think of the other half of the population that disagrees with him, who he hopes to one day lead?

These people are bringing us down. Remember that. They're bringing us down. ...These people are so bad for our country, you have no idea, folks, you have no idea. They contribute nothing. Nothing.

These are not good people, folks.... These are not good people.... These are not good people. These are not the people that made our country great. But we're going to make it great again, but these are not the people. These are the people that are destroying our country.

Trump called all of this on himself.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: UKTruth

So, there's no chance that out of 10500 people, there were those who were there (or even the majority who were there) because they have listened to Mr. Trump's speeches, witnessed his events, find his proposed policies abhorrent ... none or very few of those 10500 people were there of their own accord, making a political statement as is their American right?

Wow, that's a broad unbelievable statement! I find it ridiculous if that's really what you are saying.

Is that what you are saying?

Of the 3,000 or so that were there, if any were moved to protest because of about 6 sentences in the previous 2 months then I would have them sectioned under the mental health act. They obviously need a lot of help as well as an education on the real problems of the world.

Your narrative of Trump causing all the violence through incitement is simply dying. Even the will to push it in the MSM is waning. It was a tactic that didn't work, but it drew in a few suckers. There will be something else constructed to attack him on shortly and the same suckers will pile onto that.

a reply to: spiritualzombie

Yet he has done nothing violent.

His supporters by and large have not

So that tells us that things are not as the MSM is trying to paint them.

In fact lets look at a common claim that he wants to put up a wall to close the border and others and apply context-



He is trying to FORCE legal immigration since by encouraging illegal immigration the system gets bogged down and people are left with divided families (LIKE MYSELF) when applying for visas. NOT stop immigration all together

He is asking that we screen people from war zones. (Muslims) Much like Israel does and much like the EU is being asked to by the vast majority of its citizens. NOT stop Muslims indefinitely from entering

He wants to reform healthcare since it makes us pay HUGE premiums before getting anything back. This is directly beneficial to average people who cant afford it now. NOT take away healthcare

He wants to cut back government subsidy for large industries like oil (Ethanol subsidies) That would also benefit us and hurt corporate welfare. NOT cut back on social welfare

You see some context changed things doesnt it?

originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: spiritualzombie

Yet he has done nothing violent.

His supporters by and large have not

So that tells us that things are not as the MSM is trying to paint them.

In fact lets look at a common claim that he wants to put up a wall to close the border and others and apply context-



He is trying to FORCE legal immigration since by encouraging illegal immigration the system gets bogged down and people are left with divided families (LIKE MYSELF) when applying for visas. NOT stop immigration all together

He is asking that we screen people from war zones. (Muslims) Much like Israel does and much like the EU is being asked to by the vast majority of its citizens. NOT stop Muslims indefinitely from entering

He wants to reform healthcare since it makes us pay HUGE premiums before getting anything back. This is directly beneficial to average people. NOT take away healthcare

He wants to cut back government subsidy for large industries like oil (Ethanol subsidies) That would also benefit us and hurt corporate welfare. NOT cut back on welfare

You see some context changed things doesnt it?

Shhh you are not allowed to actually make any sense of his policies, you must try harder to incite hatred from them.... then remember to blame him for the incitement

a reply to: UKTruth

I agree. It is dying a quick death because no has been talking about it for a while and it is no longer a mainstream controversy that we see discussed outside of fringe lunatic circles that encompass very little amounts of people and not almost the entire country.

a reply to: UKTruth

Estimates say that there were 8500 outside in the permitted protest area.

Estimates say there were 2000 that made their way inside.

Thus, 10500.

So ... you think people are crazy because they don't agree with your opinions on Trump? Okay, to me that seems crazy. People disagree with you; I know it's a shock. How arrogant, may I say, that your position is that anyone who disagrees with you needs education! And people say that I'm full of myself, LOL!

Again you take what I said out of context. What I said was specific. Trump is responsible for the violence at his rallies. He is not committing all of it personally, he is not mind-controlling people to do it, nor is he causing all the violence, but he is RESPONSIBLE. It's his rally. He's the one that has openly, repeatedly and notoriously incited and directed his followers to violence, and that violence has invoked violence on the part of some dissenters.

Sidebar: Do you still actually live in the UK? Why are you so enamored with Mr. Trump?

originally posted by: tadaman
Yet he has done nothing violent.

His supporters by and large have not

So that tells us that things are not as the MSM is trying to paint them.

MSM is not saying Trump is out there being violent against people. MSM is playing video of Trump's mouth talking. His supporters HAVE been violent. And Trump has literally ENCOURAGE VIOLENCE with his own words.

These are FACTS. If you agree with Trump, just say you agree, but don't try to deny the facts.

a reply to: UKTruth

It was very easy for me to make sense of his detailed common sense policies.

vote trump

originally posted by: MoonNova
a reply to: UKTruth

It was very easy for me to make sense of his detailed common sense policies.

vote trump

How exactly is he going to "Make America Great Again" then?

Define great.

What actions will he take to Make us Great?

From these "detailed" policies you cite ...

a reply to: spiritualzombie

and he has since officially distanced himself from the violence. His speaking style has changed to reflect responsibility and sensibility.

He has not done anything violent and by and large his supporters have not.

Only those protesting him have used force to progress their ideals

That is the fact.

The MSM is out to crucify him because they are owned and manipulated by people in the upper echelons of society. These are the people Trump is hurting at OUR benefit....Something incontestable at this point-

If the people openly active in corruption and swaying American politics like George Soros and the Koch brothers are against Trump this tells you all you need to know about how much worth to give to the MSM and what their owners tell them to say.

originally posted by: Monger
a reply to: intrepid

To be fair, Trump is also an alleged rapist. Who said he would bang his daughter if he could.

To be fair, here is the "Actual" quote you are clinging to.
"If Ivanka weren't my daughter, perhaps I'd be dating her,"
Basically poking fun at himself dating younger women.
A far cry from the quote you referred to...

Another fun fact you may not know.
He is against the parenting practice of spanking.
I'm impartial there. But he certainly doesn't sound like the Hitler of the 21st century to me.