Police Officer talks about his experience at Trump's rally in Tucson: AWESOME!

originally posted by: MysticPearl

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Facts are facts.

There are a number of leftist/liberal/progressive/Democratic groups that are opposed to Trump and everything he stands for (misogyny, racism, religious bigotry, empty, vague policy statements)

The problem with your "facts" is that Trump doesn't stand for misogyny, racism and religious bigotry.

The left doesn't know what those things are and have erroneously tied them to Trump. Quite embarrassing actually. All this uproar and they can't even get what they're protesting correct.

I'm not sure about who or what you're desperately trying to overgeneralize with vague comments about "the left" and what it does and doesn't understand, but as a LEFTIST, I can assure you that I do indeed know what the words and phrases mean.

Trump has shown repeatedly that he views women (even his family members) as mere objects, he's "repulsed" by certain women that don't meet his own personal criteria for beauty or worth, he focuses like an immature child on female bodily functions and is "repulsed" by them, etc. etc. He's lied about being endorsed by known racists, pretended he didn't know what the KKK was, and has promised to exclude every person of the Muslim faith from entry into the United States.

So, you're quite obviously mistaken, to put it mildly.

Trump like most of us are fed up with the MSM lies and that includes Fox. We want the MSM to represent the truth about how much the middle class has suffered at the move of our factories across the board to china and other nations for the sake of equality, under Billy Clinton. But now the only thing equal is we have high number of educated unemployed and no jobs to give them just like all the developing nations.

And what do these unemployed educated people do?

They join BLM, OWS and other protesters at the trump events, shouting our hate and disdain for the very people who for the last 30 years have worked their butts off to lose their jobs to foreigners and over seas companies so the rich and elite like the MSM'ers.

time for the People to stand tall and be proud we made this world what it is and all everyone does is dog us.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Gryphon66
UKTruth you queried:

I am also still awaiting your further evidence that warrants calling the police officer in the video and everyone who disagrees with you a liar because they don't agree that Trump personally is entirely responsible for all the violence.

Here's what I HAVE said about Officer Tatum:

originally posted by: Gryphon66

For the record, I think the young man in the OP's video is sincere. I think the great number of Trump supporters are sincere. Some are sincerely racist and are violent about it. Some protesters, not surprisingly, are also racist and are violent about it.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

Officer Tatum does indeed give his perception of what happened as an eyewitness. He would be the first to tell you I'm sure, based on his law enforcement experience, how faulty "eye witnesses" can sometimes be.

Here's what I said about Trump's responsibility for violence at his rallies:

originally posted by: Gryphon66
It is a BLATANT LIE to deny that the responsibility for the issues with violence at Trump rallies rests entirely upon Mr. Trump: he is the one that has incited and supported violence against protesters, and it is that violence that has birthed violence in response. Violence, trespass, etc. once again is ethically wrong by my own measure, although I can understand the desire to stand against what Trump represents at any cost.

To reiterate: Trump is responsible for the nature of the rallies including their structure, the timbre of his current and past rhetoric used, his tacit agreement with violence early on (as shown), his direct encouragement of violence (as shown), etc. etc. etc.

That's what I've said. Anything else in this regard is in your mind.

I cant reconcile the above with your clear claim that the man is a blatant liar. You DID say anyone who thinks Trump is not entirely responsible for all the violence was blatantly lying.

So which is it? You seem to have two different positions. Which one is your real position? It would help to know as at the moment you seem to be confusing yourself. Are there two people posting on your account??

I didn't say what you claimed about Officer Tatum.

I didn't say what you claim about Trump or Trump's rallies.

I have said what I said and that is clear and posted above (several times, once by you.)

I don't have two positions and no reasonable person who can read English would take that away.

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So, what have we learned here?

Individuals on each "side" of the Trump rally protests are responsible for their own acts of violence, Officer Tatum in the OP seems to be a reasonable person but his view of events is as subject to confirmation bias as any person's would be, most of us agree that acts of violence used for the purpose of furthering a political agenda is wrong, and that Mr. Trump on regular occasions has either incited or approved of violent acts against protesters at his rallies.

Who says we can't communicate with each other?

originally posted by: UKTruth
Its hard to apportion the blame exactly - I would just say the majority of the blame is at the door of the progressive terrorists.

Is it really so difficult to apportion the blame? "Progressive terrorists" or Trump?

I myself find it difficult to apportion blame exactly. On one hand you have the radicalized right-wing domestic terror recruitment rallies... and on the other, you have protesters fighting to save America. It's very difficult to apportion blame when one is so balanced in their thinking. Don't you agree?

originally posted by: Gryphon66
So, what have we learned here?

Individuals on each "side" of the Trump rally protests are responsible for their own acts of violence, Officer Tatum in the OP seems to be a reasonable person but his view of events is as subject to confirmation bias as any person's would be, most of us agree that acts of violence used for the purpose of furthering a political agenda is wrong, and that Mr. Trump on regular occasions has either incited or approved of violent acts against protesters at his rallies.

Who says we can't communicate with each other?

Umm I havent heard anything from trump such as beat that man for disrupting my speech have you? Inciting would be him telling his audience to attack anyone without reason. Not in self defense.

I seem to have got that from hearing the interview with him after. He basically said that If you are attacked strike back. Same advice my daddy gave me when i was younger. Each person is responsible for their own actions correct?
SO how come you claim that Trump is still responsible? you cant have i t both ways.

originally posted by: spiritualzombie

originally posted by: UKTruth
Its hard to apportion the blame exactly - I would just say the majority of the blame is at the door of the progressive terrorists.

Is it really so difficult to apportion the blame? "Progressive terrorists" or Trump?

I myself find it difficult to apportion blame exactly. On one hand you have the radicalized right-wing domestic terror recruitment rallies... and on the other, you have protesters fighting to save America. It's very difficult to apportion blame when one is so balanced in their thinking. Don't you agree?

Save AMERIKA KOMMRADES!! For our glorious peoples republik!! If they were fighting to actually sav eamerica they woudnt be trying so hard to divide us all.

Heres how you protest correctly. Stay out of peoples way and protest peacefully. Getting in your face is a recipe for disaster and just hardens their stance. Go door to door and calmly explain your posistion to others as well. You know like civilized people do.

a reply to: yuppa

Trump WAS nominated for the novel peace prize though.....

Not just anyone can do that. A US politician afforded that privilege is backing him. Someone the international community values for being worthy of such.....

LOL

a reply to: yuppa

Sure, low hanging fruit:

One of thousands: Donald Trump Says He Doesn't Condone Violence. Footage Says Otherwise.

Video available at link.

Protest Turns Violent at Donald Trump Rally in Orlando, FL (3-5-16) - Youtube

John Oliver "Trump and Violence" - Youtube

a reply to: yuppa

I know it's tough to figure out exactly who is to blame... between the people trying to save America versus the right-wing domestic-terrorist recruitment rallies... but I suspect the right-wing terrorist recruitment rallies are mostly to blame. Besides, it's hard to feel sorry for racists, and bigots attempting a hostile takeover of the United States.

a reply to: Gryphon66

So trump doesnt condone the violence.

You said otherwise

Not even Bernie disavowed the violence done by agitators wearing his shirts

He knows Hillary sent them backed by Soros money.

It will blow up in their face.

Its an extremist leftist recruitment with money as the incentive

originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: Gryphon66

So trump doesnt condone the violence.

You said otherwise

Not even bernie disavowed the violence done by agitators wearing his shirts

What? Are you referring to the title of the first link just above?

Follow up with "Footage Says Otherwise."

EDIT: Also, watch the link, maybe?

originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: Gryphon66

So trump doesnt condone the violence.

You said otherwise

Not even bernie disavowed the violence done by agitators wearing his shirts

Ah, a post in process.

Who's backing Trump's violent terrorism then?

Or is he doing it for free?

a reply to: Gryphon66

Yet you said HE DID condone the violence.

He did not, as per you link.

The interpretation is subjective to the viewer.

Officially he did distance himself from it.

You were wrong before when you said otherwise

originally posted by: spiritualzombie
a reply to: yuppa

I know it's tough to figure out exactly who is to blame... between the people trying to save America versus the right-wing domestic-terrorist recruitment rallies... but I suspect the right-wing terrorist recruitment rallies are mostly to blame. Besides, it's hard to feel sorry for racists, and bigots attempting a hostile takeover of the United States.

Got any hard numbers on how many racist and bigots are there then? Seems th eprotestors outside were bigoted against anyone not of their particular political bent. SO Its just Karma coming back on the intolerant of speech in truth. ALso Have any of th etrump supporters been involved in killing s or beheadings or shutting down roads? I need verification of these terrorist claims.

originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: Gryphon66

Yet you said HE DID condone the violence.

He did not, as per you link.

The interpretation is subjective to the viewer.

Officially he did distance himself from it.

You were wrong before when you said otherwise

The links demonstrate Trump inciting and advocating violence.

I am not wrong; Trump incites violence at his rallies, the video links (and hundreds of others) demonstrate this point.

What are you talking about?

a reply to: Gryphon66

George Soros is backing Hillary doing such.

Not Trump.