Police Officer talks about his experience at Trump's rally in Tucson: AWESOME!

if it looks like a rose, and it smells like a rose, it must be a dandelion.....got it.

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Gin
a reply to: MysticPearl

That's what the left always does, divide people apart and pit people against one another, instead of putting people together and discussing and debating issues to fix common problems all Americans have.

No, that is not the case.

I agree and I'm not even a Democrat. Let's go back a little bit to when Bush was in office when the cry baby Republicans were demanding that they all unite to saaaave America! Bipartisan style. The Republicans wanted everyone to just agree that bills like the Patriot Act were "good" for the American people vs what they actually are - ripping our rights from us. Now that Obama is in office where is that infamous bipartisan cooperation? It doesn't exist.
Oh and btw, unless you are making a couple million per year, the Republicans do not represent you and YOU aND people like you are the reason why there is a war on the middle class. Just a bunch of wanna bes while selling out your neighbor.
How patriotic of you.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Facts are facts.

There are a number of leftist/liberal/progressive/Democratic groups that are opposed to Trump and everything he stands for (misogyny, racism, religious bigotry, empty, vague policy statements)

The problem with your "facts" is that Trump doesn't stand for misogyny, racism and religious bigotry.

The left doesn't know what those things are and have erroneously tied them to Trump. Quite embarrassing actually. All this uproar and they can't even get what they're protesting correct.

a reply to: tadaman

This is who is really organizing and funding these "protests". Bernie's supporters have been taken for complete suckers.




George Soros donates $8 million to boost Hillary
Soros Funded Moveon.org Takes Responsibility For Chicago Protest, Promises More Protests Are to Come
Tax Records Show George Soros Funded Ferguson Riots to the Tune of $33 Million
Soros Admits Involvement In Migrant Crisis: ‘National Borders Are The Obstacle’

originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: ReadLeader
a reply to: awareness10

Well there we have it. A black off duty police officer. This is a very good voice of reason. He mentioned multiple times, that the media is responsible for some of the violence and the protesters are the o es being violent. N O T the Trump followers! He states that half the people acting outrageous were African American !!!!-

Applause S&F, great find Aware!!!!

well then, obviously it's the democrats fault...trump and his supporters are totally innocent...got it....

In terms of actual violence:
It's primarily the fault of violent protesters. People must be held accountable for their actions. There is never an excuse to blame someone else because they told you to do something. That is childish.
Some Trump supporters are also to blame for taking things too far.
Some police are to blame for taking it too far.

In terms of encouraging violence:
Radical left wing hate groups are the primary culprits.
The media close behind
Trump has said a few (though only a few) things he should not have.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: ReadLeader
a reply to: awareness10

Well there we have it. A black off duty police officer. This is a very good voice of reason. He mentioned multiple times, that the media is responsible for some of the violence and the protesters are the o es being violent. N O T the Trump followers! He states that half the people acting outrageous were African American !!!!-

Applause S&F, great find Aware!!!!

well then, obviously it's the democrats fault...trump and his supporters are totally innocent...got it....

In terms of actual violence:
It's primarily the fault of violent protesters. People must be held accountable for their actions. There is never an excuse to blame someone else because they told you to do something. That is childish.
Some Trump supporters are also to blame for taking things too far.
Some police are to blame for taking it too far.

In terms of encouraging violence:
Radical left wing hate groups are the primary culprits.
The media close behind
Trump has said a few (though only a few) things he should not have.

Words fail me. They absolutely fail me. How can the media, all penned up in their holding area at Trumpster's rallies, be more at fault than Trumpster for inciting any violence? Do you have even the faintest idea what you're talking about? Here's a primer.

a reply to: Konduit

Damn thats good info.

Mind if I add it to a going thread?

I will give credit where credit is due

a reply to: tadaman

Go ahead, it's all public domain.

Whenever you try to deprive someone of their rights then you are on the wrong side. in this case they tried to deprive a private citizen ( D. Trump) of his first amendment right to free speech and that puts them on the wrong side of the constitution.

originally posted by: UKTruth

In terms of actual violence:
It's primarily the fault of violent protesters. People must be held accountable for their actions.

Protesters sue Trump after violent encounter with security - CNN - September 9, 2015

Five men who describe themselves in a complaint as "human rights activists of Mexican origin" filed a lawsuit Wednesday against the Republican presidential candidate, his campaign, his company and Keith Schiller, Trump's chief of security. The plaintiffs allege that Trump security officials, namely Schiller, assaulted them as they protested outside of a campaign event. Last Thursday, the five plaintiffs stood outside of Trump Tower where a campaign event was taking place with a sign saying "TRUMP: Make America Racist Again" - a play on the Republican candidate's slogan, "Make America Great Again."

Schiller forcefully removed the banner from the protesters and when one of them, Efrain Galicia, tried to wrestle it back, Schiller allegedly struck Efrain in the head with his hand. CNN and other reporters on the scene witnessed the incident, which was videotaped by several people. The plaintiffs allege Schiller struck Efrain "with a closed fist on the head with such force that it caused Galicia to stumble backwards," according to the lawsuit.

Oct. 14, 2015, in Richmond, Virginia. Individuals at a Trump rally shoved and took signs from a group of immigration activists. One spit in a protester's face. (No reports of protester violence.)

Oct. 23, 2015, in Miami. A man at a Trump rally knocked down and kicked a Latino protester. (No reports of protester violence.)

Nov. 21, 2015, in Birmingham, Alabama. A black protester at a Trump rally was punched, kicked, and, according to the Washington Post, briefly choked. (No reports of protester violence.)

Dec. 14, 2015, in Las Vegas. Individuals at a Trump rally yelled "Sieg Heil" and "light the mother###### on fire" toward a black protester who was being physically removed by security staffers. (No reports of protester violence.)

Source

a reply to: Gryphon66

Trump has nothing to do with that. Trump does not condone violence unless someone might try to assassinate him with tomatoes or interrupts him while he is speaking.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: UKTruth

In terms of actual violence:
It's primarily the fault of violent protesters. People must be held accountable for their actions.

Protesters sue Trump after violent encounter with security - CNN - September 9, 2015

Five men who describe themselves in a complaint as "human rights activists of Mexican origin" filed a lawsuit Wednesday against the Republican presidential candidate, his campaign, his company and Keith Schiller, Trump's chief of security. The plaintiffs allege that Trump security officials, namely Schiller, assaulted them as they protested outside of a campaign event. Last Thursday, the five plaintiffs stood outside of Trump Tower where a campaign event was taking place with a sign saying "TRUMP: Make America Racist Again" - a play on the Republican candidate's slogan, "Make America Great Again."

Schiller forcefully removed the banner from the protesters and when one of them, Efrain Galicia, tried to wrestle it back, Schiller allegedly struck Efrain in the head with his hand. CNN and other reporters on the scene witnessed the incident, which was videotaped by several people. The plaintiffs allege Schiller struck Efrain "with a closed fist on the head with such force that it caused Galicia to stumble backwards," according to the lawsuit.

Oct. 14, 2015, in Richmond, Virginia. Individuals at a Trump rally shoved and took signs from a group of immigration activists. One spit in a protester's face. (No reports of protester violence.)

Oct. 23, 2015, in Miami. A man at a Trump rally knocked down and kicked a Latino protester. (No reports of protester violence.)

Nov. 21, 2015, in Birmingham, Alabama. A black protester at a Trump rally was punched, kicked, and, according to the Washington Post, briefly choked. (No reports of protester violence.)

Dec. 14, 2015, in Las Vegas. Individuals at a Trump rally yelled "Sieg Heil" and "light the mother###### on fire" toward a black protester who was being physically removed by security staffers. (No reports of protester violence.)

Source

ALL people using violence outside of defending themselves and/or subduing a violent individual should be held accountable for their actions. Doesn't matter whether it a protester or a Trump supporter or anyone else. Nothing complicated about that.

By the way I am still awaiting your proof that Trump has used words like 'punch him in the face' PRIOR to violent protesters interrupting his speeches.

I am also still awaiting your further evidence that warrants calling the police officer in the video and everyone who disagrees with you a liar because they don't agree that Trump personally is entirely responsible for all the violence.

So far all you have come up with is that sometimes eye witness statement are not right and Trump got angry with protesters and used violent language. You must have more than that, surely?????

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: ReadLeader
a reply to: awareness10

Well there we have it. A black off duty police officer. This is a very good voice of reason. He mentioned multiple times, that the media is responsible for some of the violence and the protesters are the o es being violent. N O T the Trump followers! He states that half the people acting outrageous were African American !!!!-

Applause S&F, great find Aware!!!!

well then, obviously it's the democrats fault...trump and his supporters are totally innocent...got it....

In terms of actual violence:
It's primarily the fault of violent protesters. People must be held accountable for their actions. There is never an excuse to blame someone else because they told you to do something. That is childish.
Some Trump supporters are also to blame for taking things too far.
Some police are to blame for taking it too far.

In terms of encouraging violence:
Radical left wing hate groups are the primary culprits.
The media close behind
Trump has said a few (though only a few) things he should not have.

Words fail me. They absolutely fail me. How can the media, all penned up in their holding area at Trumpster's rallies, be more at fault than Trumpster for inciting any violence? Do you have even the faintest idea what you're talking about? Here's a primer.

The media are not confined to the pen they share with you.
Political analysts and talking heads sensationalising a framing a narrative of hate are indeed encouraging violence.
So too are all the attack ads demonsiing. Note I refrain from using the word incite as they are not responsible for the violence, they just encourage it. They also love it too as it brings in the audience.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: UKTruth

In terms of actual violence:
It's primarily the fault of violent protesters. People must be held accountable for their actions.

Protesters sue Trump after violent encounter with security - CNN - September 9, 2015

Five men who describe themselves in a complaint as "human rights activists of Mexican origin" filed a lawsuit Wednesday against the Republican presidential candidate, his campaign, his company and Keith Schiller, Trump's chief of security. The plaintiffs allege that Trump security officials, namely Schiller, assaulted them as they protested outside of a campaign event. Last Thursday, the five plaintiffs stood outside of Trump Tower where a campaign event was taking place with a sign saying "TRUMP: Make America Racist Again" - a play on the Republican candidate's slogan, "Make America Great Again."

Schiller forcefully removed the banner from the protesters and when one of them, Efrain Galicia, tried to wrestle it back, Schiller allegedly struck Efrain in the head with his hand. CNN and other reporters on the scene witnessed the incident, which was videotaped by several people. The plaintiffs allege Schiller struck Efrain "with a closed fist on the head with such force that it caused Galicia to stumble backwards," according to the lawsuit.

Oct. 14, 2015, in Richmond, Virginia. Individuals at a Trump rally shoved and took signs from a group of immigration activists. One spit in a protester's face. (No reports of protester violence.)

Oct. 23, 2015, in Miami. A man at a Trump rally knocked down and kicked a Latino protester. (No reports of protester violence.)

Nov. 21, 2015, in Birmingham, Alabama. A black protester at a Trump rally was punched, kicked, and, according to the Washington Post, briefly choked. (No reports of protester violence.)

Dec. 14, 2015, in Las Vegas. Individuals at a Trump rally yelled "Sieg Heil" and "light the mother###### on fire" toward a black protester who was being physically removed by security staffers. (No reports of protester violence.)

Source

ALL people using violence outside of defending themselves and/or subduing a violent individual should be held accountable for their actions. Doesn't matter whether it a protester or a Trump supporter or anyone else. Nothing complicated about that.

I don't disagree. However, your position has been that violence at Trump events is a result of violence by protesters.

Is that correct? Or incorrect?

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: UKTruth

In terms of actual violence:
It's primarily the fault of violent protesters. People must be held accountable for their actions.

Protesters sue Trump after violent encounter with security - CNN - September 9, 2015

Five men who describe themselves in a complaint as "human rights activists of Mexican origin" filed a lawsuit Wednesday against the Republican presidential candidate, his campaign, his company and Keith Schiller, Trump's chief of security. The plaintiffs allege that Trump security officials, namely Schiller, assaulted them as they protested outside of a campaign event. Last Thursday, the five plaintiffs stood outside of Trump Tower where a campaign event was taking place with a sign saying "TRUMP: Make America Racist Again" - a play on the Republican candidate's slogan, "Make America Great Again."

Schiller forcefully removed the banner from the protesters and when one of them, Efrain Galicia, tried to wrestle it back, Schiller allegedly struck Efrain in the head with his hand. CNN and other reporters on the scene witnessed the incident, which was videotaped by several people. The plaintiffs allege Schiller struck Efrain "with a closed fist on the head with such force that it caused Galicia to stumble backwards," according to the lawsuit.

Oct. 14, 2015, in Richmond, Virginia. Individuals at a Trump rally shoved and took signs from a group of immigration activists. One spit in a protester's face. (No reports of protester violence.)

Oct. 23, 2015, in Miami. A man at a Trump rally knocked down and kicked a Latino protester. (No reports of protester violence.)

Nov. 21, 2015, in Birmingham, Alabama. A black protester at a Trump rally was punched, kicked, and, according to the Washington Post, briefly choked. (No reports of protester violence.)

Dec. 14, 2015, in Las Vegas. Individuals at a Trump rally yelled "Sieg Heil" and "light the mother###### on fire" toward a black protester who was being physically removed by security staffers. (No reports of protester violence.)

Source

ALL people using violence outside of defending themselves and/or subduing a violent individual should be held accountable for their actions. Doesn't matter whether it a protester or a Trump supporter or anyone else. Nothing complicated about that.

I don't disagree. However, your position has been that violence at Trump events is a result of violence by protesters.

Is that correct? Or incorrect?

I don't think I have said that Trump or his supporters are guilt free, I just completely reject your claim that Trump personally is entirely responsible for all the violence and your further claim that anyone who says different is a liar.

Its hard to apportion the blame exactly - I would just say the majority of the blame is at the door of the progressive terrorists that are organising violence and intimidation.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: ReadLeader
a reply to: awareness10

Well there we have it. A black off duty police officer. This is a very good voice of reason. He mentioned multiple times, that the media is responsible for some of the violence and the protesters are the o es being violent. N O T the Trump followers! He states that half the people acting outrageous were African American !!!!-

Applause S&F, great find Aware!!!!

well then, obviously it's the democrats fault...trump and his supporters are totally innocent...got it....

In terms of actual violence:
It's primarily the fault of violent protesters. People must be held accountable for their actions. There is never an excuse to blame someone else because they told you to do something. That is childish.
Some Trump supporters are also to blame for taking things too far.
Some police are to blame for taking it too far.

In terms of encouraging violence:
Radical left wing hate groups are the primary culprits.
The media close behind
Trump has said a few (though only a few) things he should not have.

Words fail me. They absolutely fail me. How can the media, all penned up in their holding area at Trumpster's rallies, be more at fault than Trumpster for inciting any violence? Do you have even the faintest idea what you're talking about? Here's a primer.

The media are not confined to the pen they share with you.
Political analysts and talking heads sensationalising a framing a narrative of hate are indeed encouraging violence.
So too are all the attack ads demonsiing. Note I refrain from using the word incite as they are not responsible for the violence, they just encourage it. They also love it too as it brings in the audience.

(Facepalm) Thanks for confirming that you didn't read my link and have no idea whatsoever about what you are talking about.

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: ReadLeader
a reply to: awareness10

Well there we have it. A black off duty police officer. This is a very good voice of reason. He mentioned multiple times, that the media is responsible for some of the violence and the protesters are the o es being violent. N O T the Trump followers! He states that half the people acting outrageous were African American !!!!-

Applause S&F, great find Aware!!!!

well then, obviously it's the democrats fault...trump and his supporters are totally innocent...got it....

In terms of actual violence:
It's primarily the fault of violent protesters. People must be held accountable for their actions. There is never an excuse to blame someone else because they told you to do something. That is childish.
Some Trump supporters are also to blame for taking things too far.
Some police are to blame for taking it too far.

In terms of encouraging violence:
Radical left wing hate groups are the primary culprits.
The media close behind
Trump has said a few (though only a few) things he should not have.

Words fail me. They absolutely fail me. How can the media, all penned up in their holding area at Trumpster's rallies, be more at fault than Trumpster for inciting any violence? Do you have even the faintest idea what you're talking about? Here's a primer.

The media are not confined to the pen they share with you.
Political analysts and talking heads sensationalising a framing a narrative of hate are indeed encouraging violence.
So too are all the attack ads demonsiing. Note I refrain from using the word incite as they are not responsible for the violence, they just encourage it. They also love it too as it brings in the audience.

(Facepalm) Thanks for confirming that you didn't read my link and have no idea whatsoever about what you are talking about.

I am not interested in your articles about asbestos - or whatever story you are trying to peddle.
Frankly when you said 'words fail me', I was hoping you were sincere.
Just not interested in anything you have to say - you are in the media.

UKTruth you queried:

I am also still awaiting your further evidence that warrants calling the police officer in the video and everyone who disagrees with you a liar because they don't agree that Trump personally is entirely responsible for all the violence.

Here's what I HAVE said about Officer Tatum:

originally posted by: Gryphon66

For the record, I think the young man in the OP's video is sincere. I think the great number of Trump supporters are sincere. Some are sincerely racist and are violent about it. Some protesters, not surprisingly, are also racist and are violent about it.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

Officer Tatum does indeed give his perception of what happened as an eyewitness. He would be the first to tell you I'm sure, based on his law enforcement experience, how faulty "eye witnesses" can sometimes be.

Here's what I said about Trump's responsibility for violence at his rallies:

originally posted by: Gryphon66
It is a BLATANT LIE to deny that the responsibility for the issues with violence at Trump rallies rests entirely upon Mr. Trump: he is the one that has incited and supported violence against protesters, and it is that violence that has birthed violence in response. Violence, trespass, etc. once again is ethically wrong by my own measure, although I can understand the desire to stand against what Trump represents at any cost.

To reiterate: Trump is responsible for the nature of the rallies including their structure, the timbre of his current and past rhetoric used, his tacit agreement with violence early on (as shown), his direct encouragement of violence (as shown), etc. etc. etc.

That's what I've said. Anything else in this regard is in your mind.

a reply to: UKTruth

Its in plain text to see.

Its shows dishonesty and ONLY an effort to villify.

Its entirely BS. It gives a golden ticket to those in the wrong.

Sad really.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
UKTruth you queried:

I am also still awaiting your further evidence that warrants calling the police officer in the video and everyone who disagrees with you a liar because they don't agree that Trump personally is entirely responsible for all the violence.

Here's what I HAVE said about Officer Tatum:

originally posted by: Gryphon66

For the record, I think the young man in the OP's video is sincere. I think the great number of Trump supporters are sincere. Some are sincerely racist and are violent about it. Some protesters, not surprisingly, are also racist and are violent about it.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

Officer Tatum does indeed give his perception of what happened as an eyewitness. He would be the first to tell you I'm sure, based on his law enforcement experience, how faulty "eye witnesses" can sometimes be.

Here's what I said about Trump's responsibility for violence at his rallies:

originally posted by: Gryphon66
It is a BLATANT LIE to deny that the responsibility for the issues with violence at Trump rallies rests entirely upon Mr. Trump: he is the one that has incited and supported violence against protesters, and it is that violence that has birthed violence in response. Violence, trespass, etc. once again is ethically wrong by my own measure, although I can understand the desire to stand against what Trump represents at any cost.

To reiterate: Trump is responsible for the nature of the rallies including their structure, the timbre of his current and past rhetoric used, his tacit agreement with violence early on (as shown), his direct encouragement of violence (as shown), etc. etc. etc.

That's what I've said. Anything else in this regard is in your mind.

I cant reconcile the above with your clear claim that the man is a blatant liar. You DID say anyone who thinks Trump is not entirely responsible for all the violence was blatantly lying.

So which is it? You seem to have two different positions. Which one is your real position? It would help to know as at the moment you seem to be confusing yourself. Are there two people posting on your account??