Police Officer talks about his experience at Trump's rally in Tucson: AWESOME!

originally posted by: awareness10
a reply to: MoonNova

These guys are Old School, Sixties and Seventies When there was no issue with all the crap you see today. This is it baby, if Trump loses i know America will be flushed down the '*** . People need to wake up right now, later will be too late, these globalists have a ONE track mind and it's not in favor of the rest of us, they'll gladly take our money but they will not allow us a voice.

It's now or never.

I do believe that many of the countries in the west have a few short years to right the ship or it will be too late. Govts. have been flooding western countries with immigrants over the last 20 years especially and the painful truth is that a higher percentage of them claim welfare/ benefits and become dependent on the state. Ready made loyal voters. The US population has grown by 33% in just 20 years and the skew is wildly in favour of dependent immigrants.

US Population 1995: 266.28 million
US Population 2015: 320.22 million

Net change in those 20 years: 20.2%

Proof that those 53.94 million people are mostly dependent immigrants: 0%

US Population by Year

For the record, I think the young man in the OP's video is sincere. I think the great number of Trump supporters are sincere. Some are sincerely racist and are violent about it. Some protesters, not surprisingly, are also racist and are violent about it.

Some does not mean all.

However, what is dissimilar about the dissenters and the supporters, is that Trump himself regularly endorses violent action in his events. This, as some are fond of saying, is indisputable.

a reply to: Gryphon66

I don't approve of violence, but sometimes I beat a man or drive through a crowd of people I disagree with.

Trump said he is going to pay the legal fees, maybe. Trump loves me.

vote trump

originally posted by: Gryphon66
US Population 1995: 266.28 million
US Population 2015: 320.22 million

Net change in those 20 years: 20.2%

Proof that those 53.94 million people are mostly dependent immigrants: 0%

US Population by Year

For the record, I think the young man in the OP's video is sincere. I think the great number of Trump supporters are sincere. Some are sincerely racist and are violent about it. Some protesters, not surprisingly, are also racist and are violent about it.

Some does not mean all.

However, what is dissimilar about the dissenters and the supporters, is that Trump himself regularly endorses violent action in his events. This, as some are fond of saying, is indisputable.

The terrorists amongst the demonstrators regularly espouse violence and not only that, they partake in it. In fact, the calls for violence are far greater from the anti Trump crowd including calls for his death, plus one attempt on his life and death threats to his family. Indisputable AND disgusting.

Thank you for the correction on the numbers. Its actually a third increase in 30 years, not 20.
I did not say the increase is mostly dependent immigrants, I said it was wildly skewed. You misunderstood.

There is indeed data showing the significant rise in immigrants and the increase in the mix of population and also the ratio of each race and the immigrant percentage of households claiming welfare. Please refer to the US census under the Survey of Income and Program Participation.
Summary in the video on this page (which you have already been pointed to)
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Significantly more immigrants, immigrants consume more welfare. Mix changing. This dependent class vote for the left wing socialist, big govt option in the USA at a rate of almost 4:1.

Here is a chart on Mexican immigration (which does not even include illegal immigration)



Note that in some states, illegals will be allowed to vote, including California.

Here is analysis from the Center for Immigration Studies

cis.org...

It shows that 73% of households headed by Central American and Mexican immigrants claim welfare, compared to 30% for non immigrant households.

As I said there is a rise in the population mix of dependent households far more likely to vote for the left leaning big govt welfare parties.

One could almost see it as a core strategy and a clear explanation for the open borders policy of the liberals.

These numbers contribute to the very real possibility that the once fabled American dream is dying and will be replaced by a population taken care of by the govt with complete submission to it's demands. In other words America is being transformed into Europe. You won't like it when you get there, I can promise you that.

a reply to: Sremmos80

So his video is a lie and others are not?

So we should believe you?

But then again you just said people lie when they have a stake in the game...

Umm...

a reply to: awareness10

Thanks for posting this.

It's refreshing to hear someone speak with logic and not just emotion. He's right--regardless of whether or not he's a Trump fan (I'm not)--that if Trump rented the venue, protestors have no right to go in and disrupt the rally. He's right that, if you start a fight and get your ass kicked, oh well--shouldn't have started the fight (or you should be able to back up your stupidity). His comments about the protestors being the ones acting like fools is generally true for all protests, so there's no reason to question that assertion. He's right that cameras only capture the aftermath of the first punch, but rarely the start of it (something many people on ATS can't seem to understand).

I wish that this wasn't the reality of American politics, but it is what it is. I will say this, though--I bet that there'd be nothing to talk about other than Trump's stance on the issues if these nogoodnik protestors had something better to do with their lives. It's hard to not get caught up in the thought that these (or at least a good portion of the most belligerent) protestors are paid by [insert person/party here] in order to take the focus OFF of the real reason for these rallies and to try and create a false narrative of the supporters in a loosely veiled attempt to discredit the candidate.

Our presidential-election season is disgusting--people act like we're voting in a king who has total control to do everything that they say they will. It's like people in America have temporary amnesia as to where the power to write legislation really lies, and we all become ignorant fools who think that we only have two choices for the office: Dumb or Dumber.

originally posted by: dismanrc
a reply to: Sremmos80

So his video is a lie and others are not?

So we should believe you?

But then again you just said people lie when they have a stake in the game...

Umm...

It does seem easy for some people to dismiss that which undermines their position...
The police officer in the video does seem very credible when you look a little further at his social network history. It's an inconvenient truth for the violent protesters.

I saw what he saw, it was disgusting.

Facts and accuracy are important in the understanding of any question, not just the cherry-picked and out of context "factoids" that are clearly open to dispute.

As are sources of information ... for example: the "Center for Immigration Studies" which can most charitably be described as "anti-immigration." For example: More Fuzzy Math frrom the Center for Immigration Studies - RWW.

Yes, that's Right Wing Watch ... if we're going to accept obvious sources skewed Right, we might as well compare it with that from the Left, right? For a somewhat balanced, or nuanced view?

By the definition of terrorist in general misuse here, there are terrorists in the Trump camp, and Trump himself is a terrorist.

What does that designation gain? Nothing. Violence is violence, and applied politically, even when we can personally understand the motivations or passions ... is ethically (and usually legally) wrong.

Period. Sadly in this case, this political VIOLENCE is being openly espoused by a Presidential candidate.

That's a first in my lifetime ... and in general at least since the earliest days of the Republic. (Andrew Jackson was a fiery old coot!)

Anyone who is interested in actual statistics on the Hispanic American population should check out Census.gov for the base statistics that tend to get warped by different political agendas.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Facts and accuracy are important in the understanding of any question, not just the cherry-picked and out of context "factoids" that are clearly open to dispute.

As are sources of information ... for example: the "Center for Immigration Studies" which can most charitably be described as "anti-immigration." For example: More Fuzzy Math frrom the Center for Immigration Studies - RWW.

Yes, that's Right Wing Watch ... if we're going to accept obvious sources skewed Right, we might as well compare it with that from the Left, right? For a somewhat balanced, or nuanced view?

By the definition of terrorist in general misuse here, there are terrorists in the Trump camp, and Trump himself is a terrorist.

What does that designation gain? Nothing. Violence is violence, and applied politically, even when we can personally understand the motivations or passions ... is ethically (and usually legally) wrong.

Period. Sadly in this case, this political VIOLENCE is being openly espoused by a Presidential candidate.

That's a first in my lifetime ... and in general at least since the earliest days of the Republic. (Andrew Jackson was a fiery old coot!)

Anyone who is interested in actual statistics on the Hispanic American population should check out Census.gov for the base statistics that tend to get warped by different political agendas.

The stats used are from SIPP - www.census.gov...

i.e. census.gov

Report here which shows exactly what I am talking about www.census.gov...

Are you going to deny that immigration has exploded?
Are you going to deny that households headed by immigration have a higher percentage on welfare?

From census.gov





Don't let anyone pull the wool over your eyes.
These stats also exclude illegal immigrants which have grown anywhere to between 11m to 30m depending on source of estimate - and these illegals will be allowed to vote in some states.
This is also to 2010 and the last 5 years to 2015 have set records.

And here are welfare stats - again from SIPP as the source:

Legal Immigrants



Illegal Immigrants



It doesn't take much maths to understand the significant mix skew towards people being taken care of by the govt and the impact that has on the voting dynamic.

The general tactic on display in many of these types of presentations is to take a general fact (the greatest number of immigrants comes into the US from Mexico) and interpolate that at will to suggest all sorts of purely agenda-based suppositions.

Regarding the much-touted report from anti-immigrant, right-wing think tank CIS ...

... today's immigrants, like all other immigrant waves in the country's history, start off poorer and have lower levels of education, making it unfair to compare their welfare use to the long-established native-born population. She said immigrants have larger households, making it more likely that one person in that household will receive some kind of welfare benefit. And she said many benefits counted in the study are going to U.S.-born children of immigrants, skewing the findings even more.

USA Today

Immigration, however, is not the topic of this discussion.

and here is the projection out to 2060....

originally posted by: Gryphon66
The general tactic on display in many of these types of presentations is to take a general fact (the greatest number of immigrants comes into the US from Mexico) and interpolate that at will to suggest all sorts of purely agenda-based suppositions.

Regarding the much-touted report from anti-immigrant, right-wing think tank CIS ...

... today's immigrants, like all other immigrant waves in the country's history, start off poorer and have lower levels of education, making it unfair to compare their welfare use to the long-established native-born population. She said immigrants have larger households, making it more likely that one person in that household will receive some kind of welfare benefit. And she said many benefits counted in the study are going to U.S.-born children of immigrants, skewing the findings even more.

USA Today

Immigration, however, is not the topic of this discussion.

Lol, so damn the facts heh? - lets offer some reasons for it.

Like I said, immigration is driving a higher mix of welfare dependent voters who vote at 4:1 for the democrats.
Let the facts speak for themselves.

You are right in that this thread is about a very fair and balanced account of the violent and intimidating protesters, but you did state that there were no facts to what I was suggesting, which hopefully you can see now that there are.

originally posted by: Medicator
I saw what he saw, it was disgusting.

Any more info you can share? Always interested in eye witness statements.

a reply to: UKTruth

It's all so disgusting. Well I'm not actually disgusted because I'm not a pansy, but disgusting is the harshest word I can think of so I'm going to use it so I can feel superior to others.

Disgusting.

a reply to: UKTruth

"Damn the facts?" Indeed not. I corrected your supposed "facts" out of the gate regarding immigration. Low hanging fruit.

Again, here's the tactic being deployed repeatedly:

1. Offer a legitimate and general fact (or more often a factoid or some "truthy" bit of information).

2. Make sweeping statements based on that (often faulty) assertion that have no basis.

It's a great debate tactic in general because 1) I have no interest in demonstrating the details of faults in your arguments and 2) your agenda is served either way, as you are well aware that confirmation bias will snatch up your spurious information and discard the reasonable, rational and factual responses to it.

What does immigration of any degree, legitimacy, etc. have to do with Brandon Tatum's testimony?