Birth Rape

a reply to: MOMof3

THAT's true! Or, in the taxicab!!
With my second child I was dilated to 7 and my water broke in the elevator.
It was about 45 minutes to the hospital.
Labor still took forever...LOL
About 12 more hours, unfortunately.

originally posted by: fictitious
BIRTH ISNT A MEDICAL PROCESS. ITS NATURE. ONLY SEEK HELP IF LIFE THREATENING.

That's true, until it isn't. At that point, you're going to be in trouble fast. So is the baby.

originally posted by: WilsonWilson
I'm in the UK though, maybe our understanding of personal rights are different. Here the midwives must get express permission for a vaginal exam. You cant just stick whatever you like in to someone against their will.

They do here as well. But I'm sure when you're in the midst of it, you forget that the doc might need to do an episiotomy to keep you from tearing to hell and gone.

originally posted by: WilsonWilson
the reality of the situation is that every person has a right to refuse medical treatment. If doctors or midwives ignore this they are committing assault. So the woman isn't "feeling" assaulted, she has in fact been assaulted.

Perhaps the delivery crew should simply document "at 1100, patient refused treament, treatment ends" and they pull out the epidural, stick a bandaid on, pull out the IV and everyone walk out.

Bolt the door, and let nature take its course, free from consequence. "Did she die yet? Ok. We'll relock the door then" and let it rip.

You see, you don't get to pick and choose. I want you to make the pain stop, but you can't use a tocometer. Oh, the baby is brain dead, you're liable. No. If the doc and nurses are going to be liable, you have to go with the medical treatment. Otherwise, they should pack it in and let you have it au naturale.

a reply to: TNMockingbird

I so wished I had a camera in the elevator that day. I was on the floor, obviously in labor and people in the elevator were crying "IS SHE HAVING A BABY!"

originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: Bedlam

How many babies have you given birth to? In fact, how many fricking experts are there on the subject of having babies on ATS. You all sound pretty inexperienced and making up a bunch of crap.

Ah. Because you've given birth, you are an expert on pediatrics and ob/gyn, right?

So, when you start whinging about tocometers, you do so because Eros has tapped you on the nog with a shiny wand of motherhood?

I think the doctor has a bit more on the ball, whether you're a mom or no.

eta: I have an appendix. You won't see me trying to gouge it out with a mirror and some lidocaine. Having one doesn't give me the ability to put in a nice purse stitch around the stump single handed.

originally posted by: MOMof3
You people realize that a lot of women give birth very quickly? Like in the parking lot because they don't make it inside? Or in the elevator, like what happened to me. What good are monitors when you are dilated to 10.

Then you waited too long.

Yep, some moms do it in the car. You could do it at home, too, if you didn't want to be bothered with small bits like epidurals and some local anesthetic and maybe an episiotomy instead of a nice rip.

originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: TNMockingbird

I so wished I had a camera in the elevator that day. I was on the floor, obviously in labor and people in the elevator were crying "IS SHE HAVING A BABY!"

Would that be other patients? Maybe the cleaning staff?

Other staff who do not know who you are whatsoever, maybe wondering if you're having a burst appendix?

Random people really don't know much about you. All they see is someone in pain. They don't get a mind feed with your medical history attached as you walk through the door.

a reply to: Bedlam

Yes, I am daughter, sister, mother, grandmother. I am not disrespecting doctors. I just have the final say so about procedures done on my body. You are mad about lawsuits and have tunnel vision on the subject. I agree. I have never sued anyone. I think something should be done about it. Like, all socialized medicine where you are protected by government.

originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: Bedlam
I am not disrespecting doctors. I just have the final say so about procedures done on my body.

If you're pulling off the tocometer, bp cuff (and with hypertension...) etc, then you are hamstringing the medical staff. They can't magically intuit what might be going on, even if it's aggravating you.

You are mad about lawsuits and have tunnel vision on the subject. I agree. I have never sued anyone. I think something should be done about it. Like, all socialized medicine where you are protected by government.

In which direction? If the doctors never have to answer for ACTUAL malfeasance, then it's the old USSR system of medicine, no thanks. If the patients can do whatever they want despite best medical practice, I am in favor of tossing in the towel and letting the patient have at it by themselves.

Despite feelings to the contrary, you are not as informed as the doctor. I agree that they should get this all down with you before the action commences, but if the baby's in distress, an episiotomy and some forceps might make the difference between a good mom and baby and dead ones. It's not really the optimum time to explain to you what needs to happen at that point.

However, I'm all for "I want to refuse medical treatment in the middle of the procedure" agreements. And if you do, I support the entire medical team walking and leaving you to it.

a reply to: Bedlam

I would have preferred any method that did not involve me being jammed full of drugs and getting my head squashed!

originally posted by: TrueBrit
I would have preferred any method that did not involve me being jammed full of drugs and getting my head squashed!

I thought that was called 'True Brit's Teen Years'?

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Oh no...

That period is referred to as "The Sundering".

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Bedlam

I would have preferred any method that did not involve me being jammed full of drugs and getting my head squashed!

Mom went full natural with me. I had a cone head.

Same with my two. They both fit, barely, but they were sort of malformed looking for a bit. I was rather upset the first time. Horrified, to be honest.

eta: the second one, I was "Oh, look, he's from France"

a reply to: andy06shake

How is this political correctness by any stretch? You guys need a new line. It's really trite.

a reply to: Bedlam

I went to a hospital because I trust medical staff with my babies. But, extremists like these women in this thread op are made. I have not had a baby since 1980. Maybe some brilliant doctor could devise tools that are not so invasive. Actually, you don't seem to be a problem solver. The gun producers got their businesses protected from victim lawsuits, why not doctors? It is possible.

originally posted by: MOMof3
The gun producers got their businesses protected from victim lawsuits, why not doctors? It is possible.

In your crappy analogy it would be the medical devices manufacturers who are indemnified (which they are) from misuse of their products.

This is not the thread for your anti-firearm bias.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Why should doctors be held responsible for patients decisions? Like being on drugs while pregnant?

a reply to: MOMof3

If it is a mutually agreed upon and recognized situation why should they not be?

a reply to: Bedlam

Mom went full natural with me. I had a cone head.

I have a scar...