Birth Rape

DISCLAIMER: I am completely on-board with the fact that birth can be a completely traumatic experience. Women have near death experiences Or lose a child. Its a scary and emotionally charged. I do not want to take anything away from women who have truly suffered a traumatic birth. I was hesitant to make this thread. I dont want to be labeled as insensitive. I almost posted this in the rant forum but decided this was a better fit. Yes I have made a post about extreme feminists in the past that I got hate for.(here) So I am prepared for the hate that may come with this

Ive seen another awareness trend lately on social media where women are using the hashtag #breakthesilence along with the tag line BIRTH RAPE.



Part of the trend is to post a photo of yourself with your traumatic birth story, more often than not it seemed to be where a doctor or medical professional "raped' the women during their labor.
At first this seems alarming. WOMEN BEING RAPED DURING LABOUR??? WHATTT



But as I looked into it further things were not what they seemed.
While there were real cases of women suffering trauma during birth, and what seems like pretty worth while support groups for these women, not everything seemed legitimate.
It became overwhelmingly obvious that this what not the case for all of the women jumping on this bandwagon.
In fact through my reading I saw there were a lot of women angry about being pressured into things that seemed to be pretty standard practices when it comes to labour and giving birth, that are designed to keep both the child and mother well and alive. Furthermore I saw NO EVIDENCE of rape anywhere in these claims.

Women feeling dis-empowered during the process, ignored, pressured into medical procedures without their full consent, feeling violated or scared is ALL WARRANTED.
However this is BIRTH TRAUMA not BIRTH RAPE
These women were not raped.
Some way well have been victims of bullying or malpractice, but just using the word rape is insensitive to women who really have been raped.

Furthermore a lot of the procedures being done were in order to save either the mother or the child's life, or both. I feel bad that the mother suffered trauma but should you just be left to die? I don't understand the logic. The doctors have a lot of experience and know what they are doing (most of the time) and are trying to keep you both safe and alive.
Things like women having pressure put on them to have an episiotomy... urg. The doctors want to do this so that you don't rip in half. its for YOU. it benefits no one else.
Emergency C Sections are scary yes! but they are an emergency. that is in the name. Often its because life is at risk.
I know that women have ideas of going 100% natural, or having a water birth, or whatever perfect plan. Sometimes these plans work out and are great. However if this plan has to be altered for your safety this doesn't automatically mean the doctor has lied or wronged you. In fact you holding onto said plans over the safety of you're child is SELFISH and why are you even having children.

I do not believe that there are people out there thinking to themselves that they should become a doctor so that they can bully and rape you during birth.
That is ridiculous.

For the majority both doctors and midwives seem to bend over backwards for women and the safety of the unborn child. I feel like women jumping on the bandwagon to play victim, takes away from women who may really have had some kind of egotistical doctor bullying them into things.

For the love of god, can we stop referring to everything as rape, just get bring attention to a subject.

Some of these cuckoo bananas need to go out in a field and drop the kid there without a medical professional to assist so they get an idea what 'real' women go through in the underdeveloped world.

a reply to: IvyNeptune

Sounds like political correctness gone mental once again.

Whats next Prostate exam sexual assault?

a reply to: IvyNeptune

I suspect the vast majority of these self-proclaimed "rape" victims are cut from the same cloth of women that go ABSOLUTELY OUT OF THEIR WAY to breast feed the the most conspicuous way possible JUST to antagonize people into making a comment so they can shout to the heavens, "I AM A VICTIM!!!"

I was molested the last time I went to the doctor for a physical. It was traumatic. He made me turn my head and cough.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: IvyNeptune

Sounds like political correctness gone mental once again.

Whats next Prostate exam sexual assault?

Great episode of Family Guy about just that topic.

Just 1st world problems from entitled and whining morons tbh

Ignore and move on

a reply to: IvyNeptune

I am almost tempted to say this is mass hysteria. The victim mentality meant to empower what is often a dull and uneventful life made more interesting with righteous notions of being a champion of a cause.

Feminism is now a hashtag.

Its an enslaving mentality that embitters and divides. Its almost the perfect psyop.

WTF is wrong with people.

I am glad you see it as NOT being rape. Frankly this is REALLY REALLY REALLY insulting to real rape victims.

Birth trauma is a stretch as well. Its part of a natural process they knew was the end result of mating.

Whats next death trauma? I am scared to die because I am mortal so every instance of life being life is an injustice?

Assisted suicide is there. Just like condoms. Really, these distractions are getting to the point that harsh backlash is merited.

I dont take crazy people on the subway for what they say. I am starting to see this all like crazy subway people issues.

I mean really.

#end Feminism

It is insulting, vile and wrong. Backwards, idiotic and insensitive. Evil, self serving, and FAKE. Callous, insane and dangerous.

I feel like there is substance to where you draw the line with consent. Should the mother have to consent if the child is in danger?

And I am sure they will appreciate the attention. I had no idea.

I had three live births. The only thing I found annoying was I refused all the monitors and they argued with me. But, when I tore them off myself, they backed off.

It's the victim mentality that is being ingrained into people for the last generation or so.

Many people it seems these days can't be happy unless they can find some way they were victimized. This isn't always the case, but in my opinion it seems to be a growing percentage.

Also

Many life saving medical procedures are traumatic. Anyone who has performed or received CPR can tell you that.
Now, I've never given birth being a male and many hospitals will perform unnecessary procedures to rack up bills, but I am an EMT and part of the training is being able to deliver a baby. And it seemed like I should be prepared for a pretty traumatic experience on both our parts.

It's all about ownership.
Forget about the trauma to the Mother.
Once you are "Birthed" you are an Asset to the American GDP.
Your name is Trademarked and you are a slave to the system - Sorry Mom.

a reply to: MOMof3

I understand that doctors can be forceful but at the same time I feel like its only with good intention

originally posted by: MOMof3
I had three live births. The only thing I found annoying was I refused all the monitors and they argued with me. But, when I tore them off myself, they backed off.

Well i'm sure you knew better than the medical staff and were in a position mentally to make such a judgement...

a reply to: watchitburn

exactly! people have ribs broken during cpr.

a reply to: IvyNeptune

As already hinted at in this thread, I'd tell these women to go and do it themselves at home if they are so p*ssed at the medical professionals doing their level best to deal with irrational human beings.

By "irrational" i mean people or the human animal in general; men and women.

I'm not specifically saying women are irrational human beings.

(Christ, I don't want to touch THAT with a 10 foot pole!)

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: IvyNeptune

Sounds like political correctness gone mental once again.

Whats next Prostate exam sexual assault?

Political Correctness is typically the idea of clogging out of ones way to avoid insulting or offending anyone in any way possible.

Referring to something that's not rape as rape is the exact opposite of political correctness, but please, let's not avoid throwing around old lines just because complaining about something a majority of people also dislike just because it makes us feel good.

a reply to: IvyNeptune

I agree, that is ridiculous.. I cannot stand these extreme feminist types, they are a joke and they are turning actual issues into a complete and utter joke. As another poster mentioned, if only they would go to a third world country and see what it is like.. or a country where women truly are violated and it is entirely lawful to do so. What is it with people and always wanting to be a victim?! I feel like they have some sort of serious attention seeking complex. The worst is when one of them approaches me and starts talking to me about these sorts of frivolous things, just because I am a woman too, so I MUST feel like SUCH a victim! Personally, I feel quite equal to men in every way, and women in the US treat me way worse than men do.

Anyway, to call that rape is utter nonsense and disgusting and they should be ashamed.

a reply to: IvyNeptune

For the majority both doctors and midwives seem to bend over backwards for women and the safety of the unborn child. I feel like women jumping on the bandwagon to play victim, takes away from women who may really have had some kind of egotistical doctor bullying them into things.

I am glad to see your post. There are plenty of issues to discuss within pregnancy and the business of giving birth.

We had two kids very close together (oops, don't beleive old wives tales about not being able to get pregnant while breastfeeding). The second pregnancy was complicated to put it mildly since it had only been about 6 months after giving birth she got pregnant again. It was a struggle, they thought at one point I could lose both my wife and the fetus. Long story short, everyone is happy and healthy (mostly).

I had to qualify the last statement with mostly. One of the things we learned which we had not really considered is that any hospital with a catholic affiliation will NOT allow their doctors to carry out the wishes of a patient if those wishes go against "God's word" as they told us. They are NOT allowed to perform a tubal ligation after giving birth like EVERY SINGLE OTHER SECULAR HOSPITAL. Not cool... we are non-practising Jews and didn't consider that because that was the nearest hospital and her OB/GYN was affiliated with them.

The reason i bring all this up with regard to this post is often times the Doctor's hands are tied with what they can/can't do, and what they are required to do. There were a few things which we did not like about the delivery process in this very well respected hospital, but guess what, THEY DO IT EVERY DAY.

I would never in a million years call anything they do there 'rape.' Unless the doctor whips it out and starts going all Ron Jeremy on the patient, its called practicing medicine and doing it within the guidelines of a job which has rules.

a reply to: JustAnObservation

I agree.
Women all over the world have babies in all kinds of situations. Women in fields delivering their babies themselves.
The fact that there is some new craze where women refuse medical help that they have available because they think they know better than a medical professional baffles me.

In India and other 3rd world countries, women who may give birth to a girl, sometimes have the baby killed infront of them, due to cultural and financial pressures put on them in later years. that is REAL BIRTH TRAUMA