Birth Rape

a reply to: IvyNeptune

I am almost at a loss for words... That is something fairly rare as I generally have too many. I've done some reading as well as YT viewing on this topic after reading your thread. This is beyond insane. I truly feel very sorry for the true victims of rape, sexual assault or molestation. Be them male or female. This is absolutely disgusting. My wife also read the thread and feels the same way. While she was giving birth to our almost 2mo premature daughter, due to preeclampsia, she had the hands of 3 different doctors inside of her removing the placenta as it did not separate properly and they felt that at best she would need a blood transfusion and at worst she would die from blood loss. Luckily they were successful and a transfusion was not required and she obviously survived. She was never given a consent form to sign or even asked verbally. The doctors mobilized in an attempt to save her life, and possibly our daughter. She was screaming out in pain. She was in no way, in her own words, raped in any fashion. She was given appropriate and necessary medical care, medical care that may have saved her life. Medical care for which we are both extremely grateful.

As we discussed this we both came to the conclusion that this is the result of two things. The first being an insanely overboard, witch-hunting feminist ideology that in reality only serves to harm others and divide society. The second being a trend of victimhood. A need for those seeking attention to be recognized. A "movement" of sorts that actually takes away from the truly disenfranchised(The poor, urban and suburban and of all "races" and ethnicity's. That's for another thread however.)

This is absolutely despicable and should be opposed by all people of good will. To take it a step further; the lead should be taken by women.

To address extreme feminism I would point people to comments made by the late Aaron Russo on the subject. He speaks about how it was created by the elite for various reasons. He cites a conversation with a Rockefeller who he was known to be an acquaintance of. The video is easily found on YT.

Every time a serious word like rape or murder is attached to some political or social cause it takes away from the actual and true meaning of the word. Feminists need to realize that creating word associations like this diminish the actual victims of sexual rape. Having a baby or getting your breast touched by the back of someone's hand is NOT rape. At the current rate our entire vocabulary will have been hijacked and corrupted and made completely useless in a generation.

a reply to: Asktheanimals

Unfortunately that may be the agenda of those steering feminist sentiment. It's almost the perfect psy-op with almost perfect results. I bet after a while it was pretty cheap too as they didn't have to pay to manipulate the media in various ways! Can't prove that part though so I digress.

a reply to: IvyNeptune
well i have seen in my area that alot of timesthe doctors will demand the women have a csection for the most dumb reasons my ex was told she had to have a c-section she wasn't due for4 weeks they told her she was going to have a really big baby that the ultra sound said her baby was almost 9 pounds so they gave a a csection that week 2 days latter her baby was under 6 pounds and went to the area fotr premies for a week and a half she went to doctors 4 weejs latter because she was having issues from the csection her doctor wasn't there he had went to europe on vacation 2 weeks earlier
not birth rape but stilled messed up putting women and children at risk so you can get more cash to go on vacation.

a reply to: proteus33

That is f'd and while I'm no lawyer, it may well have been malpractice. From what I understand, and this information is almost four years old, they've actually cut down on cesarians but alot of celebs and rich people are actually able to pre-schedule them as not to have to give natural birth and experience the associated pain(Not to mention possible associated scheduling issues). A very strange society we live in...

Ok, so let me get this one straight......

If I finger a girl against her will, I'm not sexually assaulting her, I'm raping her with my finger.

Hey, lets get clever.

"No your Honour, I did not rape that girl with my penis, I sexually assaulted her with it."



In all seriousness, if I was medical staff and some woman raised this with me, I'd be telling them to crab walk it off and don't even look at at the ultra sound funny......

#stichthatupitstheonlyway

Yes, I agree with you! This is feminist extremism and it goes too far. Should the doctors be charged with rape for doing their jobs? I could see some feminists thinking that the doctor is raping them when he is simply following his training. I hear (as a male) that birth is very traumatic, so I could see a woman feeling like she was getting raped. I agree with a lot of feminist ideas, but I notice that some of them get fairly extremist. Thanks for tipping me off about this new trend.

That doesn't mean there aren't issues with doctors and the like sometimes, but I think it falls into a different category than rape. To be clear, birth rape is possible if the doctor sticks their schlong in there while she is giving birth or something like that. That is what the feminists make it sound like is happening by calling it "birth rape."

I just can't get on board with the "birth rape" terminology because it is misleading. Call it something else that is more in line with what it is describing and not intentionally misleading.

a reply to: IvyNeptune

What an arse of a Man who obviously fails to realise that any kind of birth that happens in a time period it takes to order fast food is a win, win scenario for both mother and child.

Point of fact if the idiot were ever to experience child birth, never mind a birth that lasted hours or day's, he would certainly change his tune.

Will they sue or will they just complain over the internet knowing they don't have a leg to stand on in court?
If I were her doctor I'd sue her.

It's ridiculous to attach the word "rape" to these situations. I see this as attention-seeking, nothing more.

Giving birth IS traumatic, life-changing, painful, difficult, exhausting, and a whole bunch of other emotions all rolled into one. I like how they play it up like it's supposed to be all rainbows and lollipops, and wah! those horrible doctors spoiled it all when they had to use invasive procedures to save their baby's (and possibly their own) life. Wah, wah, wah!!!

If you don't plan on listening to the medical staff, do yourself a favour and have your baby at home. You can make all the decisions yourself.

a reply to: IvyNeptune

I don't like over exaggerating things, just like you, however, I completely believe that doctors do not have their patents best wishes at the forefront of their practice. 100%. Almost everyone I know who has had a child has had an "emergency c section". THESE ARE NOT EMERGENCIES. Out of the HUNDREDS of mothers I know, only about 10 or so should statistically have a c section.

BIRTH IS A BUSINESS. DOCTORS/hospitals want MORE MONEY. An epidural is the status quo, then then heart rates go up, the mother can't eat in fear she may puke....heaven forbid...but #ting while pushing is fine...and then she is weak...or doc wants to get off shift or go on vacation....when BOOM CSECTION!

Not rape. But yeah, a business in screwing women over.


Let change this! Get a midwife! Have a home birth! I did, and it's wonderful! EAT HEATHLY! This is not a time to chow down on cake! Cry and be in labor for three days and push that baby out. Then 3 hours later you will be doing laundry and getting on with your life. DONT USE A DOCTOR UNLESS MEDICALLY NECCESSARY OR HIGH RISK BECAUSE OF DEFECTS!

BIRTH ISNT A MEDICAL PROCESS. ITS NATURE. ONLY SEEK HELP IF LIFE THREATENING.

I can't speak on this from an experienced view. I'm female, but I am not a mother.

However, I would be willing to bet that in some of these instances, if a doctor or nurse did NOT do some of these things and a child or mother died...these same people would be calling malpractice.

During birth, your "birth plan" goes down the river, and one of the first things you get told is that your "plans" may mean nothing because nothing is 100% when it comes to birth.

If you are not OK with the fact doctors and hospitals are required by law to act in some instances in certain ways, then have your child at home or at a facility that works with a midwife or doula.

a reply to: s3cz0ne

Thanks so much for your feedback and opinion.

I feel like im making a habit of calling out the extreme feminists but they make me do it i swear to god. Making a mockery of malpractice is not ok

a reply to: fictitious

Eh, I suspect that "emergency" c-section coercion claim factor is highly inflated. I may or may not have said #2 was an emergency c-section to deflect judgemental people like you, thought it sometimes didn't work in my favor (psssst, it was an elective one, and entirely MY call)

The fact that there are so many wingnut harpies that made me feel I had to be dishonest & hide my kid's entry-to-the-world method of choice should be alarming. I came REAL CLOSE to being one of the Mommy Wars holier-than-thou assholes myself, that crap needs to go the way of the dino because it's NOT productive.

originally posted by: IvyNeptune
a reply to: s3cz0ne

Thanks so much for your feedback and opinion.

I feel like im making a habit of calling out the extreme feminists but they make me do it i swear to god. Making a mockery of malpractice is not ok

My wife ABSOLUTELY HATES HATES HATES THEM! She feels they don't represent anyone other than themselves. She basically see's them as a group of women blindly hating men for being men. Sure, are there equal pay issues? Of course there are and it's wrong to be paid less if you lack a penis. IF that is the case it is absolutely horrible!

BUT BIRTH RAPE?!?! My wife is ashamed to even share the same gender with these idiots! By their definition of "Birth Rape", she was hit up by three different doctors. Doctors who saved her life. A life that is infinitely important to yours truly. What the hell is wrong with society.

I may have to make her an ATS account as computers and the like aren't her thing. She does however have some very interesting opinions to express. Especially since she arrived here from the Eastern Block while the wall was still standing.

I'm truely shocked by some of the comments in this thread. What these women have described is not rape, but IS assault. Being assaulted while in horrific pain of childbirth must be extremely traumatic.
No wonder there are so many anti feminist comments on this thread. You were assaulted? Get over it you silly woman!

I'm in the UK though, maybe our understanding of personal rights are different. Here the midwives must get express permission for a vaginal exam. You cant just stick whatever you like in to someone against their will.

Another case of 1st World complaining. Oh the stress of it all.

When I was in 4th and 5th grade at school, and prepubescent, we use to have the Doctor come around for our "Physical Exam".

For the boys, it was teeth, ears, limbs and the obligatory, drop your pants and cough.

For any females out there, that meant that the Doctor, would grab your testicles, while you stand in front of them bottomless, and cough, to see if your testicles move apparently...
Did they ask permission to do that? No. Could an 11 year old give permission? No.
Girls were also examined at the time, I have No idea what probing may have occurred.

I would think, any young woman over 18yo or so, who undergoes her first "Gyno" exam, would consider that as Rape.

Particularly if they have led an inhibited life and never touched ..."Down There".

I do enjoy the scientific medical aspect of the "Teen Gyno Exams" that some time pop up mysteriously on my computer...expecially those Russian ones.....Very Scientific......I learn a lot.

Perhaps its about time the Metro Hipsters went away (like the Hippies) and a new Man scene developed.

The Masculinist........you know..."sensitive Men's movement against the oppression and exploitation of sensitive Men".

Im making a sign now.."I was Raped when a male Doctor touched my junk at school".

Why should the Ladies have all the Glory....where is Our equality?

I seem to have lost my post so ill try again.
The woman on the very first page says that while screaming stop, she was held down and something was forced into her vagina.
You may not like the word rape used on the context of this assault, but it doesn't surprise me that she may have felt it was similar.
The fact that some of you view this as a first world problem is shocking, it sounds like a story from a #ty backwards third world hellhole.
Women don't lose the right to refuse medical treatment just because they are in labour.

originally posted by: WilsonWilson
I'm truely shocked by some of the comments in this thread. What these women have described is not rape, but IS assault. Being assaulted while in horrific pain of childbirth must be extremely traumatic.
No wonder there are so many anti feminist comments on this thread. You were assaulted? Get over it you silly woman!

I think most people are commenting on the women who are jumping on the band wagon and weren't assaulted. Maybe had some traumatic experiences during their birth, but are language that is far too strong.

Like I said in my OP, there definitely are cases of malpractice and these need to be taken seriously. However if a lot of women are playing victim and crying wolf, then this makes it harder for those who really were assaulted.

That being said there are strong comments on this post too that I dont agree with