Deuteronomy 32:8 Yahweh a Son of God (The Most High)

a reply to: chr0naut

The only thing I need to prove my point has been supplied, you are trying to get me to go off topic.

In ancient Canaan, El was represented by the Bull.

When Moses was up on the Mountain the Israelites made Yahweh a golden bull.

His anger was because he was not El, and didn't want to be worshipped as El. Otherwise he wouldn't have been mad about this gift for him. They weren't worshipping the Bull, it was a gift.

But he got pissed because the bull represents El. Yahweh is not El.

a reply to: chr0naut

that is if we spell wrong with a Capital W.

Are you Wrong?

No, I am Wright.

a reply to: Sassanid

Your verse is based on the false Dead Sea Scrolls. You agree they are false right?

a reply to: Sassanid

I think you are represented by the BULL too!

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: JackReyes

He'll probably tell you he's read and has copies of them all.

Point taken.

Hold it just right there!

Nobody post for a whole 10 minutes.....

I ran out of popcorn.

originally posted by: coomba98
Hold it just right there!

Nobody post for a whole 10 minutes.....

I ran out of popcorn.

OP already admitted he can't support his position, I think the show is over.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: JackReyes

He'll probably tell you he's read and has copies of them all.

In one of his previous posts, he challenged me in regard to forgiveness of sins in the Avestas (Zoroastrian texts) because "he had the Zend Avesta there, right in front of him".

He was mortified, of course, when I provided the reference from the Zend Avesta, Fargard III, 29.

He may have owned a copy but I doubt he has given it any particular study. Which is also probably his modus for his Biblical study. I wonder where he got his idea from?

a reply to: chr0naut

Some teacher somewhere on the Internet.

Sorry coomba98 I just had to post.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: chr0naut

Some youtube vid somewhere on the Internet.

Sorry coomba98 I just had to post.

Fixed it for you.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

thanks that is probably more accurate.

I don't care what you guys ssy, my whole point is that the bible I use uses all three available manuscripts to decide what is most accurate. I don't need anything but the 3 versions of Deuteronomy 32:8 to prove my point.

You are typically fundamental if you care so much. The fact that you care so much and call me a troll for providing an interesting thread makes me think you know I'm right. Your brainwashed into worshipping a genocidal maniac of a God.

All I'm telling you is you have a choice. You can worship El, the merciful, or Yahweh, the vindictive.

El is a thousand years before Yahweh at least. The cult of Yahweh comes way later. The merging of the two is deception. Deuteronomy 32:8 proves that at one point Yahweh was a Son of God (El). You can deny it. You can call me a troll. But you can't call me a Yahwist as I don't worship psycho jealous imposter demon gods.

Your attitudes are disheartening. I try to show you something true and beneficial and you attack me. I wish I could say that not all Christians are like that, but the ones on ATS are just obnoxious. I know some nice Christians, but your brainwashed and that is something that requires professional assistance.

I don't want to bully anyone about their beliefs, this is my belief. It's based on knowledge.

I would be upset if I wasn't sure what I say is true. Do I care about your fundamental nonsense? No. Do I think you are morons? I'm not going to answer that. But I know the truth, and the truth has freed me.

You are trapped in a false belief system and like an MK ULTRA you defend your programming. I knew this when I made the thread.

If I reach one person or none, the Holy Spirit knows I tried.

So be it.

a reply to: Sassanid

My Bible depended on God keeping his word and is the most accurate in my opinion.

You see opinions are like ... well you know.

Are you still a Holy Spiritian?

originally posted by: SassanidI don't care what you guys ssy, my whole point is that the bible I use uses all three available manuscripts to decide what is most accurate.

So in other words the DSS are perfect and amazing and dead on ... when it says what you want it to say .. and when it doesn't .. these other sources are perfect and better.

How do you rectify that one verse from a scroll is deemed valid and another verse from the SAME scroll is not?

I suppose when you pick and choose what you want to believe and cut out everything you don't like you can make it say anything.

Why even bother using sources, just make it up and write it down create your own source ... because that is essentially what you have done either way.

Dead Sea Scrolls say there is only one God, Yahweh. You are the one who said you need to use the DSS because they are the oldest and best.

Sorry you lost another troll thread.

originally posted by: Sassanid
a reply to: chr0naut

The only thing I need to prove my point has been supplied, you are trying to get me to go off topic.

In ancient Canaan, El was represented by the Bull.

When Moses was up on the Mountain the Israelites made Yahweh a golden bull.

His anger was because he was not El, and didn't want to be worshipped as El. Otherwise he wouldn't have been mad about this gift for him. They weren't worshipping the Bull, it was a gift.

But he got pissed because the bull represents El. Yahweh is not El.

In ancient Canaan, one of their previous gods was a bull god who was an El. El is a word in Canaanite and Hebrew that means god, a title, not a name. Baal Hadad was a Canaanite bull god, an El.

In the same way that Baal means lord, it isn't the name of a god, but was often used in conjunction with a gods name. Baal was also used as a title for human leaders in the Canaanite language. It meant "Lord".

So, El'ohim meant 'God of all gods'. El Shaddai meant 'God all-powerful', El Elyon meant 'God most high' and El Olam meaning 'God Everlasting', highlights that El was a title or descriptor, not a name.

The repeated use of the phrase "YHWH is my El'ohim" (meaning 'YHWH is my God') throughout the Tenach indicates clearly that YHWH was a name and El was a description or title.

The passage in Exodus 6: 2-3 where God says "I am YHWH. I appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob as El Shaddai, but I didn’t reveal myself to them by my name ‘YHWH.’ seals and completes this whole silly misunderstanding that gnosisfaith/whomever, has.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

He did tells under his other names "my Opinions don't need proof"

a reply to: Sassanid

You do realize you are an imposter.

But what is worse you are claiming the holy spirit is guiding you. That is a very very very slippery slope bubba.

Even Jesus said:

(Matthew 12:31) 31 “For this reason I say to you, every sort of sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the spirit will not be forgiven.


(Matthew 12:32) . . .For example, whoever speaks a word against the Son of man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the holy spirit, it will not be forgiven him, no, not in this system of things nor in that to come.


I say that because you called on the holy spirit to back up your blasphemy. You are the one that should be very very careful in your course from here on out. Jehovah judges those who sin against his holy spirit as unforgivable.

And you need to look at 32:8 again. It quite clearly states Yĕhovah is the elyown. Jacob got his land, Yĕhovah the elyown got His people.

Yĕhovah = elyown
Yĕhovah = name
elyown = His title

Much like saying the King wanted a Crusade. The soldiers got the money promised to them, and Richard I got his army.

There is only 1 individual, King Richard I. Not two as you would have us believe.

originally posted by: chr0naut
The repeated use of the phrase "YHWH is my El'ohim" (meaning 'YHWH is my God') throughout the Tenach indicates clearly that YHWH was a name and El was a description or title.

I have pointed that out several times. I used other verses from the Dead Sea Scrolls to prove it. He can't refute it, he refuses to answer it.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Your fooling yourself. I documented in my op how that verse was altered to fit fundamental Christianity's agenda

My bible has it correct, the version on top. I have figured out something y you don't want to be true. The second version replaces gods with Israel. You can't deny the deception there. The third version obscures the passages true meaning.

Your just brainwashed.