Deuteronomy 32:8 Yahweh a Son of God (The Most High)

a reply to: ChesterJohn

Get this straight homie, I am not any kind of deceiver but you need to either show some civil respect or not interact with me because I haven't done a damn thing to you personally. I don't know you for you to be an accuser towards me about some irrelevant grudge you have against the truth about religion. But it's a fact that people in Canaan worshipped El and not Yahweh who was only worshipped by the later Israelites. The Israelites started worshipping Yahweh but the rest of Canaan still worshipped El without worshipping Yahweh which is a historical fact proven by cuneiform tablets that tell the story of El and his 70 sons. Yahweh is a later Jewish only god and he doesn't show up in the archeological records until long after the tablets and at this time that he does show up he is first called one of the sons of El as shown in Deuteronomy. This was what would be called henotheism, they worshipped Yahweh and each region worshipped its own son of El with El being the Most High. Time goes by and the captivity, then around this time it seems everyone stopped worshipping El, the Canaanite's Most High became Baal who also stole El's consort Asherah.

Well evidence of the belief that Yahweh also stole Asherah has been discovered in remains that have Yahweh+Asherah carved into them and one point in the bible has Asherah poles being condemned by Yahweh so to separate Yahweh from Baal Asherah was dropped and the sons of El reduced to demons or just Idols (when they finally stopped sacrificing babies to Molech!) There is also a possibility that at one point the northern Kingdom worshipped El while the Southern kingdom worshipped Yahweh, I am almost positive this was the case at one point in time. The evidence that El isn't Yahweh is overwhelming and beyond dispute.

That isn't even mentioning the Catholic which means Universal, Church which was designed to appease everyone so they took Jewish, Persian, Greek, Roman Mithraism and Egyptian religious ideas and produced the New Testament and attached it to the Tanakh or Septuagint, the Old Testament. But Rome seperated from Judaism so false myths like Lucifer and non Jewish interpretation of the Bible led to much error that has been addressed but not accepted by Christians who are oblivious and really don't know scripture. People still believe in Lucifer even though it has been proven that Isaiah was talking to a fallen Babylonian king and not Satan. Even though Jews never had a Lucifer. Even though it's a Latin word. It's ridiculous.

My point is that your bible is not pure Messianic Judaism or even Christian as most of the New Testament is written by Paul and not even the religion of Jesus and James and Peter and Thomas, it's a provable fact that Paul was not speaking from Jesus because he was teaching the doctrine of Balaam that Jesus speaks of so clearly about the eating of meat sacrificed to Idols, which Paul definitely was teaching it's OK even calling people who don't eat meat sacrificed to Idols spiritually weak more or less.

Point is if he was in communication with Jesus and had the gnosis given him by Jesus he would not have been teaching something that Jesus was certainly condemning in revelation. He would have known not to teach what Jesus calls the doctrine of Balaam. Balaam. That is a serious statement Jesus makes. Balaam was not a good guy. Paul couldn't have been in touch with Jesus if he was teaching the doctrine of Balaam. It doesn't make sense to say he was an apostle but didn't know Jesus hated this teaching of his and Jesus let him teach this. No way in the world Jesus lets his "apostle" spread condemned teachings in his name.

Nothing personal just something for you to think about.

I'm sure you're into something Op judging by the troll! Well done for persisting with the thread and thanks for the effort!

I'm thinking that the Jehovah (group) nuked Sodom and Gommorah, this is what the evidence of Ron Wyatt's discoveries suggest.

So we know the Bible is actually true accounts by His research and finds.

I'm thinking that El and Jehovah are both different entities and even Annunaki and certainly not the true source creator of everything that exists?!

Here's Ron Wyatts info on S&G for anyone interested.

www.arkdiscovery.com...&_gomorrah.htm

a reply to: EndOfDays77
You put that much faith in one guy?

a reply to: ParasuvO

hwo says I am a Christian? lol

Jaden

originally posted by: EndOfDays77




So we know the Bible is actually true accounts by His research and finds.

I'm thinking that El and Jehovah are both different entities and even Annunaki and certainly not the true source creator of everything that exists?!

Here's Ron Wyatts info on S&G for anyone interested.

www.arkdiscovery.com...&_gomorrah.htm

You are saying that because some guy did some research that you know the Bible is true. One guy has that much influence on you. You don't see the folly in this?

The Bible being 100% true is not even a debate, Jewish scholars and archeologists readily admit that the Conquest of Canaan by Joshua is a complete myth and that isn't even getting in to Moses and Solomon. Myths buddy.

a reply to: Mryhh

You don't deserve respect

Would you like me to cut from this response the exact words and phrases that you use here and what you have used in your other accounts that say the exactly the same words and phrases.

The odds of this are a million to one that 16 different users are using the exact same words and phrases. These are your Identifying tracks that allow us to know who you are.

You have called me a moron, Stupid, Ignorant, said I am deceived, accused me of hatred, said I am a follower of Balaam etc etc etc . . .

Now what was that about you haven't done a D### thing to me.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

I'm only worried about the respect of the Holy Spirit not some guy who isn't decent enough to discuss the thread topic and is clearly in attack mode against anyone who reveals the truth about the history of the Bible.

I will not be reading any of your messages so feel free to trash me and I will just stand by my comments.

a reply to: Mryhh

How about the Holy Ghost not being respected by a person who has claimed they have the holy Spirit yet acts so unloving and combative, proud and lying multiple User accounts on ATS?

You don't think your actions grieve the Holy Ghost?

If the poster thinks that I proved his point, then he does not differentiate between signifier and signified, word and referent, and name/title and entity, specifically in the instance of El Elyon and Yahweh, thinking not that different words/names may refer to the same God but instead that each name refers to a different God as if each name was a God in its linguistic, objective sense. Moreover, the poster's style has exposed him as a Platonic idealist (as are most Christians, like Paul). More humor than anger could be derived from his messages.

I don't have the poster's concerns over mere words because I don't care who or how someone names their God and how they think of him. At the end, when the so-called El Elyon, really an Ancient of Days (one of 21 in our Universe) from The Urantia Book and The Book of Enoch, arrives in about 1000 years, everyone will receive true Justice for all confusions, including those caused by mixing good with evil and truth with lies.

Yes, and The Urantia Book was authorized by Christ Michael. Who authorized the Jerusalem Bible? The Catholic Church? Oh, Irony. Let us believe the Catholic Church and her Vicars than those who are much beyond even the Watchers.

@ChesterJohn: I think you've mistaken SerapisChrist for the likes of Sassanid. Their styles are vastly different. They are both Gnostics, sure, but not the same individuals.

A question to Gnostics SerapisChrist and Sassanid (and Mryhh?), are you astro-theologists who take Jesus to be amanita muscaria?

a reply to: ilstar

yeah and we will see who you are too wont we

a reply to: ChesterJohn

I have nothing to hide. This is me: beyondaynrand.wordpress.com...

a reply to: ilstar

Ms Rand was non religious and a communist that tells me a lot about you right there.

Evolution of God

Here is a link with a very succint introduction to the deception of the Masoretes and later translators who sought to hide the true beliefs of ancient Israel.

That anyone would deny the truth after hearing it has no bearing on the truth itself, only on the fool who refuses to believe proof that he/she has been misled. It's egotistical to deny the facts out of wanting not to believe that they are wrong or were decieved. It is corruption and arrogance that motivates the person in denial of facts proven to continue to preach that which has been proven wrong.

a reply to: Mryhh

How did the Bible’s editors conceal evidence of Israelite polytheism?

Title of your linked page

Israelites eh.. Moses' ten commandments seem like a more reliable source than your friend Robert Wright as far as my religion is concerned, kid.

Israelite means "of Jacob" whose name is also Israel, and that doesn't divide him into several characters either.
If we look at the genealogy from Jacob to Moses we have: Levi – Kohath – Amram – Moses. Moses was the fourth generation of those who went down into Egypt.

Commandment one: there is only one god.

You're full of #, and your attempt to divide the divine is perverse, I will not stand by in silence while you push these lies.

Recant

But the worst type of person is the one who attacks others who only want to spread truth and knowledge. People who say thing like "You don't deserve respect" (the last comment I will ever read by the Chester John) are fully aware of the deception of the churches and continue to preach that the truth tellers are "decievers" with "opinions" when in fact we have researched the situation and are willing to provide evidence of our "opinions" and they know they can't refute theologically so what they do in this instance is attack the messenger because the message is correct and the only option they have is to attempt and discredit the messenger.

So who is the deciever? The one on the attack against the messenger. The one who insults people on a mission to educate people about past and present deception. And the person who defends the churches lies. THAT'S a true deciever.

originally posted by: wisvol
a reply to: Mryhh

How did the Bible’s editors conceal evidence of Israelite polytheism?

Title of your linked page

Israelites eh.. Moses' ten commandments seem like a more reliable source than your friend Robert Wright as far as my religion is concerned, kid.

Israelite means "of Jacob" whose name is also Israel, and that doesn't divide him into several characters either.
If we look at the genealogy from Jacob to Moses we have: Levi – Kohath – Amram – Moses. Moses was the fourth generation of those who went down into Egypt.

Commandment one: there is only one god.

You're full of #, and your attempt to divide the divine is perverse, I will not stand by in silence while you push these lies.

Recant

Your question has been answered and you are the perfect example of my previous statement.

Calling me full of # is a reflection on your character. I amnnot going to re re re explain how the editors of the Bible concealed the beliefs of the ancient Israelites. I provided a link for that, and the OP also explains it quite well. If you want to continue in deception that is your right, but insulting me is a fruitless endeavor because when you are correct it doesn't matter what idiots say. I laugh because you just did exactly what I said decievers do.

It's not that you don't know the answer to your own question, just that you don't LIKE the truth, which is that Yahweh in Deuteronomy is clearly a Son of El. Changes to Judaism in later times don't erase the beliefs of the people before them.

If you can't figure out what happened I will find a hundred links to a hundred websites that say the same thing. The link I provided was accurate and I don't know or care who wrote it because the information is true. It's a case of attack the messenger, just like I said. Me, him, you are going to attack anybody who disagrees with you.

You are not fooling anyone except yourself.

a reply to: Mryhh

when you are correct it doesn't matter what idiots say.

wrong

Youth is candid, lies leads astray others as they have you

recant

originally posted by: wisvol
a reply to: Mryhh

when you are correct it doesn't matter what idiots say.

wrong

Youth is candid, lies leads astray others as they have you



recant

All I have to say is it doesn't matter what idiots say, period.

If you think I am deceived then what evidence do you have to counter the accurate translation of Deuteronomy 32:8 that in plain English states Yahweh is a son of El. Or the Lord is a son of God, in actual English which hides the names of the two particular deities.

What is your explanation for the Greek and Dead Sea Scrolls texts saying Sons of God vs the later Masoretic texts that have sons of Israel? Clearly Israel is not a synonym for God. This is, to anyone with a brain, clear deception.

So your stupid comment about youth and the decieved, liars, whatever you said to appear not fully rebuked by people who have fully investigated the matter and the people who ACTUALLY know the truth was a complete failure. Nobody is going to believe that the ones exposing the lies using the Bible and the Ugaritic texts as proof are the liars and that your own uneducated opinion is the REAL truth. I don't know how inept you are, but I can guess by your lack of substance in your comments that you have no idea of the subject at hand.

You are probably either mad that you did not know this and others do. Instead of getting mad, insulting people and insisting that everyone is wrong who knows more than you, why don't you do some legitimate research so you can escape the dark corridors of denial for the sake of maintaining delusions. If you only investigate the matter like a person who WANTS to know the truth you could discover the truth and wouldn't have to insult people because they have more knowledge than you.

a reply to: wisvol

My last ever reply to you is a quote from Yeshua:

"Seek until you find, when you find you will be disturbed, then, you will marvel, and reign, then rest."

Gospel of Thomas