Why does everyone hate the middle classes?

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: nonspecific

I offset allsorts off my tax bill, mobile phone, landline, Internet, petrol, tools, blah you name it, the UK is a good place to do business in...only 'middle class' employees bitch about taxes lol

So because I decided to go the professional skills route and do a high tec job (one that needs to be done by the way or you wouldn't get your FREE medication on the NHS) I therefore am a sucker and deserve to shoulder most the UK tax burden?

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: nonspecific

I offset allsorts off my tax bill, mobile phone, landline, Internet, petrol, tools, blah you name it, the UK is a good place to do business in...only 'middle class' employees bitch about taxes lol

So because I decided to go the professional skills route and do a high tec job (one that needs to be done by the way or you wouldn't get your FREE medication on the NHS) I therefore am a sucker and deserve to shoulder most the UK tax burden?

AS I said before I am pretty sure that you could set up a consultancy in your particular field along side your job and then register for self assesment, you would still pay tax on your regular job but offset the consultancy costs and get a rebate, consultancy also pays far better for less work.

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: nonspecific

I offset allsorts off my tax bill, mobile phone, landline, Internet, petrol, tools, blah you name it, the UK is a good place to do business in...only 'middle class' employees bitch about taxes lol

So because I decided to go the professional skills route and do a high tec job (one that needs to be done by the way or you wouldn't get your FREE medication on the NHS) I therefore am a sucker and deserve to shoulder most the UK tax burden?

Also medication on the NHS is not free, it is paid for via NI contributions and a fixed fee for those in full time employment.

a reply to: crazyewok

"Look at history! Why when there is a people revolution the doctors, Scientists, teachers and other professional always end up as the ones put against a wall and shot?!"

Possibly because those Doctors, Scientists and Teachers have an IQ that may enable them to somewhat command and/or oversee some form of active resistance.

a reply to: crazyewok

'Decided' is the key word, it was your choice fella so quit yer bitching or choose something else.
...as NS said though register as self employed and get your PAYE tax back from your business 'losses' every April.
I did it for years when I was a sheep employee myself, tools effectively paid from money which would have gone to HMRC.
Perfectly lawful and legal...you choose your own path so whinging on ATS is lame as #.

a reply to: nonspecific

Yes, and his point is that even with your contributions, you wouldn't have those things without his work, but he ends up taking it in the shorts in taxes anyhow even WITH your contributions. So you punish him for the privilege.

If he and people like him stopped doing what they do because they are tired of paying to do it ... where would you be?

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: nonspecific

Yes, and his point is that even with your contributions, you wouldn't have those things without his work, but he ends up taking it in the shorts in taxes anyhow even WITH your contributions. So you punish him for the privilege.

If he and people like him stopped doing what they do because they are tired of paying to do it ... where would you be?

The world would not crumble if he did not do his job?

I punish no one? He earns a decent amount of money and pays a big chunk of it in taxes, some of wich go to paying HIS WAGES!!!

It is starting to become apparent why "people hate the middle classes" as it appears that seem to have an overly high opinion of themselves and demand to not have to pay the amount of tax deemed appropriate.

I have a simple solution for Crazy Ewok, Unburden your self with the pressure of such an important job and pay less tax.

Get a job as a bin man.

a reply to: ketsuko

Behave, someone else would do it for the right price, you're making out like he's doing it for love haha!
Should we thank him for his service now? Lol
Funny as #!

a reply to: ketsuko

Here's an interesting idea, the link below is to a UK tax calculator, convert your salary into GBP and see how it compares to the kind of taxes you pay back home.

National insurance contributions cover you healthcare, unemployment benefit and state pension, Income tax is for paying politicans wages and wars ect.

Things like fire brigade, police, refuse collection ect are seperate "council tax at around £1500per househole per annum.

Roads paid by road tax about £200-400 per year.

www.listentotaxman.com...

a reply to: nonspecific

Lol, poor furry ewock with his audi and owning a two bedroom house working in bio-science for pure love of society!

Give me a break, it's his choice so quit the bitching.
I earn as much as he does and came out as established middle class on that silly test a page or so back, but I bust my balls plastering rendering blocklaying etc.
That is my choice so I don't whinge, I haven't worked today or yesterday because I couldn't be arsed...but then I'm not an entitled bleating snowflake sheep employee.

a reply to: grainofsand if ewok works it out I'd offer to write him a checque for any taxes of his I might have taken from him" it's probably around 5or 6 quid over the years.might cheer him up for a change. Back on topic though. The middle class are not a hated section of society, no matter how you want to dress it up with anecdotal sob stories

a reply to: woodwardjnr

Hahaha! He'd probably take it off you as well!
...I know your cancer story man and I'm well happy paying my taxes for you and anyone else in need.

Whinging ewok's though, nah, choose something else and quit yer bitching lol

I couldn't give a toss what class anyone is.

But I hate anyone who displays their 'class' as a badge of honour
And I hate the indignant, self-indulgent, pretentious and moralising.

Strangely enough they tend to be the same type of people.

a reply to: Freeborn

...and those who feel the world owes them a favour because they chose a particular career path...lol lame.

a reply to: grainofsand well thanks, but it's also good we live in a country where we can"
I do appreciate hat the tax funded system has provided me? Keeping me alive with dignity

a reply to: woodwardjnr

Same, I despair when I see US members whinging about 'socialist' healthcare and whatnot.
Funny how they are happy for taxes to fix their roads but health of fellow man is such a terrible thing.
I'd pay an extra 2% income tax each year if it was guaranteed for health and social care.

...and I wouldn't be whinging like an entitled bio-science worker with a nice Audi and 2 bedroomed house, probably because I'm a man with a van and a two bedroomed house.

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: nonspecific

I offset allsorts off my tax bill, mobile phone, landline, Internet, petrol, tools, blah you name it, the UK is a good place to do business in...only 'middle class' employees bitch about taxes lol

So because I decided to go the professional skills route and do a high tec job (one that needs to be done by the way or you wouldn't get your FREE medication on the NHS) I therefore am a sucker and deserve to shoulder most the UK tax burden?

You could always look at relocating whilst we are still able to move freely.

The Cayman islands look particularly favourable.

Income tax comparisons

a reply to: nonspecific

Lol, I've got a savings account in the Cayman Islands, never been there, never plan to.
Oh woe is me, the poor manual working guy - I just thank my lucky stars I'm not a bio-science worker who feels the world hates me.

a reply to: crazyewok

I don't know where you are from, but I will assume it's the U.S.

There is something very important to be noted here. First, welfare and handouts do nothing to improve the conditions of poverty - and the funds do not go to the poor. The funds simply line the pockets of the crooked politicians.

welfare does involve the force of law to benefit some (those considered poor) at the expense of others (everyone else), they feel the principle is justifiably violated since welfare diminishes need. But is this assumption true? Does welfare, when all is said and done, really help solve the problem of poverty?

There is good reason to believe that it does not. What is worse, there is substantial evidence that welfare impedes progress against poverty. In our country, worst of all, welfare seems to have increased poverty. What follows is a brief summary of the thinking and evidence that lead to this surprising conclusion. We would do well to consider it seriously, for if it is true, our national antipoverty policy is doing great disservice precisely to those it is intended to help. In the words of Walter Williams, professor of economics at George Mason University, “corn-passionate policy requires dispassionate analysis” of policy effects. Analysis of welfare shows it to be a problem for poverty, not a solution.

fee.org...

So what are the numbers?

In an article entitled “Where Do All the Welfare Billions Go?” (Human Events, February 6, 1982) M. Stanton Evans points out some remarkable figures. In 1965, combined federal, state and local outlays for “social welfare” totaled $77 billion. This was the beginning of the “Great Society” era. In 1978, the total was $394 billion. “This means that, over the span of a dozen years, we increased our national outlays for the alleged goal of helping poor people, on an annual basis, by $317 billion.” But the number of poor people in the country, according to official estimates, has remained nearly constant in those years, at about 2.5 million. Here I quote Evans at length:

One has to wonder how it is possible to spend these hundreds of billions to alleviate poverty and still have the same number of poor people that we had, say, in 1968. Waive that objection for a moment, however, and simply compare the number of poor people with the dollars spent to help them: You discover that, if we had taken that $317 billion annually in extra “social welfare” spending, and given it to the poor people, we could have given each of them an annual grant of $13,000—which is an income, for a family of four, of $52,000 a year.

In other words, with this colossal sum of money, we could have made all the poor people in America rich . . . . It prompts the more suspicious among us to ask: What happened to the money? . . . [A] tremendous chunk of these domestic outlays goes to pay the salaries of people who work for and with the federal government—including well-paid civil servants and an array of contractors and “consultants,” many of whom have gotten rich from housing programs, “poverty” studies, energy research grants, and the like.

In the words of Thomas Sowell, “the poor are a gold-mine” for the predominantly middle-income bureaucracy.

The article is a good read. People need jobs not handout's; hand outs do little to improve anything for people.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: nonspecific

Yes, and his point is that even with your contributions, you wouldn't have those things without his work, but he ends up taking it in the shorts in taxes anyhow even WITH your contributions. So you punish him for the privilege.

If he and people like him stopped doing what they do because they are tired of paying to do it ... where would you be?

Exactly!

Maybe people like me and your husband should just go on strike?

Bet they will change there tune when they can't get hold of the treatments for their child's asthma or there elderly relatives heart meds....

Won't be sheep or whinger a then....

But we won't cause we are not bastards like that.