a point by point demolition of the flat earth claims

An airplane in level flight is in equilibrium in an atmosphere which curves with the earth.

A ship afloat at sea is in equilibrium on an ocean which curves with the earth.

Dat's reality. Any questions?

I'm not very familiar with flat earth arguments.

But I'm wondering how they get around the fact that if you keep going in one direction, eventually you'll end up where you started.

A few years took the long route to Australia, and on the flight back I flew in the same direction as I took to get there. I just don't undertstand how something so simple is dismissed?

Sure, maybe the supporters simply don't are can't understand the technical aspects of science that difinitively prove a spherical earth. This, however, isn't technical.

a reply to: cestrupISright

And Antarctica, I'd like to go. But the guided trips only take you to a small portion of it.

If you truly want to go there are ways. Non-expedition. work. Lots of people there, need cooks and dishwashers among other things. I was this close[ ] to going to put the heating system in the research station they built.

I met a guy in my town who went several times as photographer and he told me if I really wanted to go still to do try anything. I wanted to put in the heat, not do dishes

a reply to: Jonjonj

Actually...nope. Once you arrived at the pole the compass would go wonky, it is all snowy white as well, and they would say "We simply got lost and turned back around, we are just going back the way we came, proof if any were needed"!

That may be true but once you get there they do serve alcohol

antarctica is NOT the answer .

while a exped to antarctica would be cool [ pun intended ]

it is not the solution to refuting the flat earth delusion

the reasosn why is - that flat earthers would ONLY accept one outcome as " valid "

and that is ` finding teh icewall // edge `

ANY OTHER result and they [ flat earthers ] will claim navigation error , trickery , " reasons " etc etc , for the " failure "

whatever results demonstrate the spheroid model will be ignored

thats the sad reality

now lets organise an ATS antarctic exped - just for fun and adventure

a reply to: Murgatroid

sigh - heres an idea :

instead of relying on annecdotal claims from whining creationist websites - how about citing primary sources ?

lets see the refferences for the alledged origional " propaganda " that is alledgedly demonising christians and llinking thier delusions to the flat erath myth

the earth is a spheroid and evolution is true - just get over it

If the earth was flat you could follow the sun all day with a high powered telescope, but you can't do that because the earth isn't flat and people are stupid.

originally posted by: angryhulk
If the earth was flat you could follow the sun all day with a high powered telescope, but you can't do that because the earth isn't flat and people are stupid.

stupid is a bit harsh.

how about, misinformed?

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: Jonjonj

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
Yes...an expedition to Antarctica should prove it one way or the other, right?

Actually...nope. Once you arrived at the pole the compass would go wonky, it is all snowy white as well, and they would say "We simply got lost and turned back around, we are just going back the way we came, proof if any were needed"!

There is no solution. Ever.

Why can't you just go east or west and find the edge though? No north or south pole needed.

Damn, you got me, flat Earth it is then!

originally posted by: tinner07
a reply to: Jonjonj

Actually...nope. Once you arrived at the pole the compass would go wonky, it is all snowy white as well, and they would say "We simply got lost and turned back around, we are just going back the way we came, proof if any were needed"!

That may be true but once you get there they do serve alcohol

It matters not any more, it has been proven to me that the Earth is flat because they can just go East or West, I need a drink, join me?

damm it - i missed a section

teh sun as viewed from the equator

ok as established in premise #1 the Eratosthenes experiment is ambiguous and COULD in the absence of all other data indicate a flat earth with the sun 3000km above the plane

but here is where reality kicks in

on a vernal equinox at local noon at a given point [ A ] on the equator a vertical pillar will cast no shadow

this is an easy demonstration to make

now we have established that the sun [ for a flat earth model ] is 3000km above point "A"

we can then measure the intensity of light

now - the flat earth delusion collapses once again - if we simultaneously have a second observer at point " B" on the equator - where point "B" is 6000km west from point "A"

the flat earth delusion fails here on 2 points :

assuming there is a hypotheical " totally cloudless sky "

first - the inverse square law first read the primer : wiki

simply put - the light intensity at point "B" which is more than double the distance from the sun SHOULD be a magnitude lower than light recieved at point "A"

there is a fall off at point "B" due to the greater thickness of atmosphere - but it is a very slight fall off - not the massive drop dictated by the inverse square law .

ergo - flat earth claim fails again

second - the measured bearing

assuming no local magnetic anomolies are present at point "B" - then a sighting of the sun from point "B" when it is local noon at point "A" produces a bearing of 90 degrees [ due east ] - this observation is consistent with the spheroid model

BUT AS SHOWN :



the flat earth claim - collapses once more

red line = flat earth bearing to the sun

green line = true east [ 90 degrees from north ]

there you have it another flat earth fail .

next up

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appologies this did not go in the OP - but it was edited seperatly

a reply to: ignorant_ape

the earth is a spheroid and evolution is true - just get over it

please stand by...


Dr.James Gates, Jr., a theoretical physicist is challenging the nature of your reality ...

Fundamental nature of Reality

Simulating Fake Planets

Superstring Equations

a reply to: ShadowChatter

interesting concept - but sadly has no relevance to this thread - did you post here by mistake ?

a reply to: ignorant_ape

did you post here by mistake ?

My bad, upon reflection a mistake may have been postulated that a fourth dimensional version of ATS exists, where hypothetically there would be crackpots claiming the earth is a sphere.

Sadly, implying that it may all just be a simulation, may have resulted in the suggestion that it was off-topic in that dimension also.

It's quite a conundrum.

a reply to: ShadowChatter

IF and that is a BIG IF the universe as we percieve it is a simulation , then

the earth is still a oblate spheroid [ all-beit an simulated one ]

so your point ?

a reply to: ignorant_ape

a point by point demolition of the flat earth claims

I know this brings nothing to the thread, but it made me think of something that U.S. Pacific Command Chief Adm. Harry Harris said recently...

In my opinion China is clearly militarizing the South China Sea,” Harris testified on Feb. 24. “You’d have to believe in a flat Earth to believe otherwise.”

Sorry about that it just made me chuckle that a US Naval Admiral would mention that.

You really spent a long time when all you had to say was this ...

Palmer and Rothera. Flat Earth is now impossible.

a reply to: ignorant_ape

so your point ?

I suppose the point would be that the Earth doesn't actually exist at all.

But I have to admit, it's a damned good simulation of an oblate spheroid. The coder got everything right. Not that remarkable though, Stellarium provides the same visual results.

a reply to: Phage

They should get the coder who did stellarium to help code Earth 2.0.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

i could - but on one of the flat earther vids - an idiot made the claim that perth > johannasberg flights were :

" just made up "

the level of denialism from anti science mongs is simply beyond the pale

the only comfort i take from this thread is that no one has made any attempt to refute any points - the brave sir robins of the flat earth society hasve well and truely vanished