pH kills cancer and an update on my father-in-law who killed his cancer in 3 weeks!

a reply to: Phantom423


You also have to remember that over the past few decades, The Vitamin C in a lot of fruits has decreased as they have been bred to become sweeter, as the sugar content rises the vitamin content goes down.

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: Phantom423


You also have to remember that over the past few decades, The Vitamin C in a lot of fruits has decreased as they have been bred to become sweeter, as the sugar content rises the vitamin content goes down.

If you need Vitamin C, a supplement is better than fruit. You're right - fruit has sugar, albeit fructose, not sucrose. A good quality OTC supplement is probably the best option.

But the OP's premise is that pH, not vitamin C, kills cancer (although I'm sure he'll jump on that bandwagon too if given half a chance).
And so far he's not been able to provide any evidence either through trials or evidence of a robust scientific theory which suggests he's correct.

As for vit C, the only benefit I can see to do with cancer patients is that it may help as an adjunct to chemo.
Hardly a therapy on it's own.

So we're back to square one, OP tells a story, gets challenged, refuses to provide real evidence just a bit of poorly understood pseudoscience, people come up with all sorts of nonsensical theories that fail, which then leads us back to the fact that pH doesn't kill cancer.

I think that about sums it up, right?

a reply to: stinkelbaum

Lemons and limes are among the most alkaline of foods which is why they are so healthful. The same thing applies to vinegar too. Before consumption, these are acidic. What really matters is after they have been consumed, and in the literature, this is sometimes called "alkaline yielding".

originally posted by: Rextiberius
a reply to: stinkelbaum

Lemons and limes are among the most alkaline of foods which is why they are so healthful. The same thing applies to vinegar too. Before consumption, these are acidic. What really matters is after they have been consumed, and in the literature, this is sometimes called "alkaline yielding".

That's utter rubbish.

Lemons have are acidic. They leave an alkaline residue. They do no turn alkaline. Big difference.

a reply to: Rextiberius

Lemons and limes are among the most alkaline of foods which is why they are so healthful. The same thing applies to vinegar too. Before consumption, these are acidic. What really matters is after they have been consumed, and in the literature, this is sometimes called "alkaline yielding".

You are right, lemons, an acidic food, produce alkalization of urine. However, for the body, homeostasis will keep blood pH within a very limited range, thanks to multiples compensation mechanism. It is those compensation mechanism that you drive to work harder one way or the other. In control theory we would name the value of blood pH as being a "setpoint" and its (small) variation as being the source of the error signal that will drive the control loop. Biological control loop or electrical control loop, its all the same math...

ETA:

Even Quackwatch concede that food can change pH of the urine:

Certain foods can leave end-products called ash that can make your urine acid or alkaline, but urine is the only body fluid that can have its acidity changed by food or supplements. ALKALINE-ASH FOODS include fresh fruit and raw vegetables. ACID-ASH FOODS include ALL ANIMAL PRODUCTS, whole grains, beans and other seeds. These foods can change the acidity of your urine, but that's irrelevant since your urine is contained in your bladder and does not affect the pH of any other part of your body.

Acid/Alkaline Theory of Disease Is Nonsense

a reply to: PeterMcFly


So basically you are saying the kidneys filter the waste products out of the blood and store it in the bladder until excretion, As far as I know no other changes take place in the bladder to the excreted blood product. If no further changes take place the urine PH reading must be the same as the blood PH reading.

a reply to: anonentity

So basically you are saying the kidneys filter the waste products out of the blood and store it in the bladder until excretion, As far as I know no other changes take place in the bladder to the excreted blood product. If no further changes take place the urine PH reading must be the same as the blood PH reading.

No this is not completely exact.

Renal excretion is one of the multiple compensation mechanisms to regulate blood pH. Urine pH is NOT representative of blood pH but can be an indication of how hard the "control loop" is working, but there is a strong emphasis on the word can, there is no garantee.

Compensation mechanisms are:

- Buffering, like bicarbonate & ammonia for extracellular
- Respiratory (lung)
- Renal (slower)

See: Acid–base homeostasis

ETA:

Kidney are not simple mesh filter, they have several regulatory roles.

a reply to: anonentity

Absolutely not. The urine pH is what had to be removed from the blood to keep the blood pH correct, plus contributions from other wastes. It's totally disconnected from blood pH if the kidneys are healthy.

Licking your finger and holding it in the wind is as accurate as urine (or saliva) pH if for measuring blood and therefore boy pH levels.

originally posted by: Pardon?
Licking your finger and holding it in the wind is as accurate as urine (or saliva) pH if for measuring blood and therefore boy pH levels.

That's how I check my blood sugar levels.

*links finger and holds it out the window*

Yep, seems fine to me.

a reply to: Rezlooper

Unfortunately I can agree with many, and say that no TWO CASES are alike, the conditions pre , during, and after, every person has entirely different setup in the DNA, literally BILLIONS of different outcomes are available to conquer.

This is why we see the massive rise of people trying everything conventional, and non, by the book treatments on both sides, or of any kind, experiencing utter failure.

The small minded approach will NEVER WORK, but it is indeed nice to see that you CAN influence the outcomes, but it is certainly not something you can straightfaced tell everyone will work for them, we all know that it will not.

a reply to: Bedlam



But the major part of the fluid in the urine and the blood is the universal solvent being water. isn't the PH of that and not the broken down cells that is being measured?

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: Bedlam



But the major part of the fluid in the urine and the blood is the universal solvent being water. isn't the PH of that and not the broken down cells that is being measured?

If you were just measuring the pH of water, the answer is always "7".

a reply to: Rezlooper

Can we have an update on the OP? How is your father in law doing?

a reply to: charolais

He is still cancer free.

a reply to: TerryDon79

Splitting hairs, shame on you. No wonder you wander around with such horrid eyes of an ogre!

originally posted by: Rextiberius
a reply to: TerryDon79

Splitting hairs, shame on you. No wonder you wander around with such horrid eyes of an ogre!

Nice ad hominem.

It wasn't splitting hairs at all. Something acidic that leaves an alkaline residue is not the same as something acidic turning alkaline.

Some related studies and trials conducted by medical professionals involving sodium bicarbonate as a ph buffer:

imaging.moffitt.org...

...Cancer cells metabolize sugars at a remarkably high rate. Normally, metabolized sugars combine with oxygen to produce carbon dioxide, which is removed by the lungs. In cancer, however, the rate of sugar (glucose) consumption is much higher than the availability of oxygen, so the excess metabolized glucose is shunted out of the cells as lactic acid. This excess acid must diffuse to the blood in order to be removed. Because the blood supply in tumors is disorganized, a lot of this acid doesn’t make it into the blood right away and diffuses into the surrounding tissue. Thus, tumors are not only acidic, they also export acid into surrounding tissues

We believe that this export of acid enables tumor cells to invade into surrounding normal tissues as tumors grow. To test this, neutralization of the acid with pH buffers, should inhibit invasion and thus reduce the process of metastasis. We had shown previously that oral doses of sodium bicarbonate could neutralize the acidity of tumors in mice. Thus we tested and observed that chronic ingestion of sodium bicarbonate reduced the incidence of metastases in experimental animals. There were some important observations from this work:

1. The bicarbonate buffer reduced both spontaneous and experimental metastases. In spontaneous metastases, primary tumors are allowed to grow for a period of time, after which they are surgically removed and then the formation of metastases is followed. In experimental metastases, tumor cells are injected directly into the blood of animals and tumor colonies are allowed to form in metastatic sites, generally the lung or liver. What this means is that the buffer therapy likely inhibits the ability of tumor cells to colonize other organs, which is an essential component of the metastatic paradigm.

2. Metastases of two types of tumors were not inhibited by bicarbonate. Notably, these two grew very fast and were metabolically much more active than the sensitive tumors. What this likely means is that the buffer therapy, under the conditions used in the study, was not able to completely inhibit all the acid and thus was less effective for faster metabolizing tumors. This does, however, open the possibility that better buffers or higher doses would be effective.

3. The therapy had no effect on the pH of the blood. This was expected and is a common mis-conception about this therapy. It is not an alkalinizing therapy, it is a buffer therapy. Thus, it is intended to only affect the pH of tissues that are: (a) out of balance and (b) lack an internal homeostatic mechanism, like tumors...

Additional studies:

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Keywords: Food buffering capacity, acid-base, pH, metastasis, sodium bicarbonate


Mechanisms of buffer therapy resistance
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Imaging pH and metastasis:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Acidic extracellular pH promotes experimental metastasis of human melanoma cells in athymic nude mice:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Reduction of metastasis using a non-volatile buffer:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Bicarbonate and dichloroacetate: evaluating pH altering therapies in a mouse model for metastatic breast cancer:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

a reply to: Alto88

All of those studies were either done on mice, petri dishes or haven't actually gone ahead with testing yet.